KB21 Posted April 30 Report Share Posted April 30 I just don’t think Ingram is going to suddenly change his style. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheNorthCydeRises Posted April 30 Report Share Posted April 30 10 hours ago, JayBirdHawk said: Funny how narratives can change depending on the jersey....... Heat trading for Trae Young would give Jimmy Butler another chance at a championship Trae Young has been dismissed as an empty stats player. That narrative would change if he were in a Miami Heat jersey. By Brennan Sims | 8:00 AM EDT Atlanta Hawks v Miami Heat / Michael Reaves/GettyImages Consider this: only two players in NBA history have managed to average 20 points and nine assists in their careers. One is the legendary Oscar Robertson and the other is none other than Trae Young. The diminutive dynamic playmaker has led the Hawks to a top-10 offense three times in his career, with a top two finish in 2022. https://allucanheat.com/posts/heat-trade-trae-young-jimmy-butler-championship-chance Atlanta Hawks v Miami Heat / Michael Reaves/GettyImages Consider this: only two players in NBA history have managed to average 20 points and nine assists in their careers. One is the legendary Oscar Robertson and the other is none other than Trae Young. The diminutive dynamic playmaker has led the Hawks to a top-10 offense three times in his career, with a top two finish in 2022. https://allucanheat.com/posts/heat-trade-trae-young-jimmy-butler-championship-chance @benhillboy rolling over in his grave over this article 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTB Posted April 30 Report Share Posted April 30 2 hours ago, KB21 said: I just don’t think Ingram is going to suddenly change his style. This is fair. I just don’t think we have a ton of options on the table. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NBASupes Posted April 30 Report Share Posted April 30 11 hours ago, AHF said: Even then Atlanta would probably prefer to just keep him rather than take garbage back because Miami is holding Fields over a barrell. I also have some deep reservations about Ingram. The lack of contributions outside of scoring and the focus on the middy game raise questions for me whether that is a good fit next to Trae. Seems like a strong defender and perimeter shooter should be more the focus. I also question how he could deliver positive value on his next contract given what I'd expect him to get which sounds like it might be higher than what Jeff and perhaps some others expect him to take. I see him as a much better fit next to Trae like Bey just due to the fact he can play the 3. Playing the 3 means you aren't really in the way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NBASupes Posted April 30 Report Share Posted April 30 6 hours ago, AHF said: Bogi being healthy has made that contract a great deal. It was sketchy to me given his health track record at the time. Murray and OO's deals both looked great to me when signed. Bogi deal looked like a clear overpay. His summer with Serbia and finally being healthy made him massively valuable to us 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NBASupes Posted April 30 Report Share Posted April 30 3 hours ago, JTB said: Hope and trust in Synder is the desire. We hope BI’s length & wingspan makes a significant difference with the help of Hawks university. To me! If you trade for BI, you are betting on Synder to utilize BI in a different way we haven’t seen on both ends. I believe Synder can get BI to become a better 3pt shooter just like he was able to do with Murray and cut down the mid range shots. With defense it may be more impactful to have a more engaged BI than Murray strictly do to BI’s length. It seems as if Synder already teaches to play in passing lanes so it’s possible BI will look like a better defender overall with that one change. I personally believe if we can get Dyson in the deal to then you do it. He can’t space the floor but the kid has good defensive potential just like Bufkin. I think it’s a pipe dream to get Herb Jones at this point but that’s just my opinion. If I’m the pelicans i wouldn’t trade herb jones for anyone less than a star. It’s hard to find a POA defender! Especially one who’s lengthy. We may have to settle on a lineup of Trae, BI, Hunter, Jalen, drafted center ….and hope they stay healthy. Dyson Daniels>>>>> Dunn just due to Daniels shooting being bad whereas Dunn shooting is Capela awful Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terrell Posted April 30 Report Share Posted April 30 2 hours ago, KB21 said: I just don’t think Ingram is going to suddenly change his style. He was so bad tonight.. lol 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kg01 Posted April 30 Report Share Posted April 30 28 minutes ago, terrell said: He was so bad tonight.. lol Maybe he was truly being 'poor man's KD' when Durant tanked his last OKC series on his way outta town. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NBASupes Posted April 30 Report Share Posted April 30 2 hours ago, terrell said: He was so bad tonight.. lol He's still not recovered from his injury. I noticed in the play in, he couldn't take Barnes off the dribble. He just wasn't himself. He was a shell. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member JayBirdHawk Posted April 30 Premium Member Report Share Posted April 30 6 hours ago, terrell said: He was so bad tonight.. lol 4 hours ago, NBASupes said: He's still not recovered from his injury. I noticed in the play in, he couldn't take Barnes off the dribble. He just wasn't himself. He was a shell. ...and on that note, do we really need a guy we know will end up in our already full and overflowing Hawkspital. 55, 45, 64 - number of games played over the last 3 seasons. 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bird_dirt Posted April 30 Report Share Posted April 30 2 hours ago, JayBirdHawk said: ...and on that note, do we really need a guy we know will end up in our already full and overflowing Hawkspital. 55, 45, 64 - number of games played over the last 3 seasons. You’re right. We need to focus our attention on bringing in Jonathan Isaac instead. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member shakes Posted April 30 Premium Member Report Share Posted April 30 Ingram is the very definition of a bum. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NBASupes Posted April 30 Report Share Posted April 30 I like BI a lot more than some of you guys. I don't like him as much as @Mikey but I see him as a reasonable offer for Murray even if I know Murray has better value. Hard to sell me on Issac for Murray and I want Issac. I just don't see the Comp as reasonable. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KB21 Posted April 30 Report Share Posted April 30 The media is about to bombard us with Trae Young to the Lakers rumors now that LA is out of the playoffs. 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KB21 Posted April 30 Report Share Posted April 30 1 minute ago, NBASupes said: I like BI a lot more than some of you guys. I don't like him as much as @Mikey but I see him as a reasonable offer for Murray even if I know Murray has better value. Hard to sell me on Issac for Murray and I want Issac. I just don't see the Comp as reasonable. Not buying. BI is neither the player nor the value that DM is, particularly since he's going to want a new contract that is for far more than what we are paying DM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NBASupes Posted April 30 Report Share Posted April 30 27 minutes ago, KB21 said: The media is about to bombard us with Trae Young to the Lakers rumors now that LA is out of the playoffs. The Lakers want everyone star. That's just what they do. Ignore it. 26 minutes ago, KB21 said: Not buying. BI is neither the player nor the value that DM is, particularly since he's going to want a new contract that is for far more than what we are paying DM. He can play the 2 and 3. That's a big difference between BI and Murray. Whereas Murray is a 1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KB21 Posted April 30 Report Share Posted April 30 3 minutes ago, NBASupes said: The Lakers want everyone star. That's just what they do. Ignore it. He can play the 2 and 3. That's a big difference between BI and Murray. Whereas Murray is a 1. There is also a big difference in the contract he will demand vs what we are paying Murray, and he doesn't answer any of the fit questions. Yes, Ingram can play 2/3, more 3 and less 2 really. However, he's still a guy who plays better with the ball than without the ball. He's still not a willing three-point shooter. He doesn't get to the free throw line. He's not a plus defender/POA defender. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kg01 Posted April 30 Report Share Posted April 30 1 hour ago, bird_dirt said: You’re right. We need to focus our attention on bringing in Jonathan Isaac instead. Ngl, not sure if serious. If there's any player who's health and availability should be more than questioned, it's Isaac. You got me on this one, BD. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey Posted April 30 Report Share Posted April 30 2 hours ago, NBASupes said: I like BI a lot more than some of you guys. I don't like him as much as @Mikey but I see him as a reasonable offer for Murray even if I know Murray has better value. Hard to sell me on Issac for Murray and I want Issac. I just don't see the Comp as reasonable. To be clear I don’t exactly love the idea of BI on the hawks or the player. Herb is who they are focused on and should be but I understand a world where BI is the best return they can get for DJM and he’s better fit and player to me than DJM 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Wretch Posted April 30 Premium Member Report Share Posted April 30 On 4/29/2024 at 12:40 AM, JTB said: Maybe booker. i can’t see them trading KD and I can’t see any team wanting Beal with that ridiculous contract. Beals output just isn’t good enough for what he gets paid. He may be the new Tobias Harris and I mean that respectfully. I dunno man. I heard on Hawksquawk for years how he was the best compliment for Trae. Someone even said he was a DOG. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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