LucastheThird Posted June 26, 2023 Report Share Posted June 26, 2023 1 minute ago, JeffS17 said: The problem with Siakam or Towns is their next contract. They're going to demand that 35% max which completely hamstrings your roster, particularly when you have Trae on a 30% max, multiple upcoming extensions, and DJs FA situation. Ressler would have to shock us all by blowing through the luxury floor like we've never seen. It won't be as big of an issue as it would be now if we have sent out a combo of JC + Capela or Hunter. But yes that is still an obstacle, I'm just pointing out what *could* still happen with this deal. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member JeffS17 Posted June 26, 2023 Premium Member Report Share Posted June 26, 2023 4 minutes ago, aali34 said: I personally don't want someone at the 4 who'd be a longterm starter. Get me a vet stop gap who can contribute like Jae Crowder and groom JJ for that spot. Watching the Denver finals makes it obvious how the secondary pieces on a team should compliment the superstar's playstyle. MPJ and Jamal Murray are microwave scorers that benefit from Jokic's methodical playstyle. JJ's ability to push the pace, attack the rim, collapse on kickouts, and create for others from the pf position is a great release valve for Trae's explosive style. The biggest problem we've had with our frontcourt is that JC, Dre and CC can't pass/playmake for shit. He does more with the ball in this vid then JC did with his whole career. I wouldn't be surprised if that trade exception isn't used right off the bat either. You could potentially use it on top of one of CC or Dre to bring in a big difference maker at some point this year. Agreed. I really want to let Quin work with the roster and see where we get by the trade deadline. No need to try to overhaul the whole roster at the same time Quin is overhauling our playbook. Maybe we can use the TPE at the deadline if the opportunity presents itself. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheNorthCydeRises Posted June 26, 2023 Report Share Posted June 26, 2023 5 minutes ago, aali34 said: I personally don't want someone at the 4 who'd be a longterm starter. Get me a vet stop gap who can contribute like Jae Crowder and groom JJ for that spot. Watching the Denver finals makes it obvious how the secondary pieces on a team should compliment the superstar's playstyle. MPJ and Jamal Murray are microwave scorers that benefit from Jokic's methodical playstyle. JJ's ability to push the pace, attack the rim, collapse on kickouts, and create for others from the pf position is a great release valve for Trae's explosive style. The biggest problem we've had with our frontcourt is that JC, Dre and CC can't pass/playmake for shit. He does more with the ball in this vid then JC did with his whole career. I wouldn't be surprised if that trade exception isn't used right off the bat either. You could potentially use it on top of one of CC or Dre to bring in a big difference maker at some point this year. Excellent post. And spot on about our frontcourt. Which was one of the secondary points I was making in the other thread about Quin's ball movement play style. To play that way, you need people on the floor who can actually make that next pass to get people better shots. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member JayBirdHawk Posted June 26, 2023 Author Premium Member Report Share Posted June 26, 2023 2 hours ago, thecampster said: Kyle Kuzma but that's just my speculation. 1 hour ago, KB21 said: Kuzma. At least Bey can shoot at an above average clip. Forget about him, he declined his $13 million PO, how much do you think he's asking for. Kyle Kuzma is expected to be one of the hottest names on the market this summer after declining his $13 million player option for 2023-24 to become a free agent. Whichever team hopes to land the former Washington Wizards star will have to cough up a lot of money with the 27-year-old eyeing $30 million annually on his next contract, according to Matt Moore of Action Network. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KB21 Posted June 26, 2023 Report Share Posted June 26, 2023 Just now, JayBirdHawk said: Forget about him, he declined his $13 million PO, how much do you think he's asking for. Kyle Kuzma is expected to be one of the hottest names on the market this summer after declining his $13 million player option for 2023-24 to become a free agent. Whichever team hopes to land the former Washington Wizards star will have to cough up a lot of money with the 27-year-old eyeing $30 million annually on his next contract, according to Matt Moore of Action Network. If he's wanting that much, I'm out. I can justify adding him as a piece. I can't justify adding him for that much. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATLHawks3 Posted June 26, 2023 Report Share Posted June 26, 2023 6 minutes ago, theheroatl said: Leagues biggest TPE.. $25m.. I doubt they will let that go to waste. It would be malpractice if they did. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member JayBirdHawk Posted June 26, 2023 Author Premium Member Report Share Posted June 26, 2023 15 minutes ago, JTB said: Kuzma.. 15 minutes ago, JTB said: BUT he’d probably be way cheaper than JC so there’s that. Repeating for effect: Kyle Kuzma is expected to be one of the hottest names on the market this summer after declining his $13 million player option for 2023-24 to become a free agent. Whichever team hopes to land the former Washington Wizards star will have to cough up a lot of money with the 27-year-old eyeing $30 million annually on his next contract, according to Matt Moore of Action Network. Not saying he'll get that but he's looking to get paid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member JayBirdHawk Posted June 26, 2023 Author Premium Member Report Share Posted June 26, 2023 11 minutes ago, JeffS17 said: The problem with Siakam or Towns is their next contract. They're going to demand that 35% max If Siakam is traded he isn't eligible for the 35% supermax, he can only get it from Toronto. That's why he doesn't want to be traded, to remain eligible to get it. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Atlantaholic Posted June 26, 2023 Premium Member Report Share Posted June 26, 2023 18 minutes ago, JayBirdHawk said: Repeating for effect: Kyle Kuzma is expected to be one of the hottest names on the market this summer after declining his $13 million player option for 2023-24 to become a free agent. Whichever team hopes to land the former Washington Wizards star will have to cough up a lot of money with the 27-year-old eyeing $30 million annually on his next contract, according to Matt Moore of Action Network. Not saying he'll get that but he's looking to get paid. I've been through a lot just like all of you guys as a Hawks fan. But if we sign Kuzma to a multi year deal at anything over Hunter money I'm officially done with this team probably forever. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watchman Posted June 26, 2023 Report Share Posted June 26, 2023 3 hours ago, Mikey said: 20/10 on a team that wins 33 games Utah will be better than we are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warcore Posted June 26, 2023 Report Share Posted June 26, 2023 20 minutes ago, ATLHawks3 said: It would will be malpractice if when they did do. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spud2nique Posted June 26, 2023 Report Share Posted June 26, 2023 1 hour ago, thecampster said: I said A Raptor -Spud Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spud2nique Posted June 26, 2023 Report Share Posted June 26, 2023 What does this mean? @JayBirdHawk 12.4 MLE.. 4.5 BAE 25.3 mill trade exemption??? How much can we spend? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Popular Post Wretch Posted June 26, 2023 Premium Member Popular Post Report Share Posted June 26, 2023 I'll say for the record... I hate moving Collins and I'm going to miss the hell out of him. I think we're going to miss his leadership. I don't think there's more to come (same as with Huerter) and I think he's going to prove his worth now that he's gone. 5 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thecampster Posted June 26, 2023 Report Share Posted June 26, 2023 32 minutes ago, JayBirdHawk said: Forget about him, he declined his $13 million PO, how much do you think he's asking for. Kyle Kuzma is expected to be one of the hottest names on the market this summer after declining his $13 million player option for 2023-24 to become a free agent. Whichever team hopes to land the former Washington Wizards star will have to cough up a lot of money with the 27-year-old eyeing $30 million annually on his next contract, according to Matt Moore of Action Network. He's going to sign for 4 years $15m per (ish) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watchman Posted June 26, 2023 Report Share Posted June 26, 2023 3 hours ago, thecampster said: Gay - $6.4 million this season JC - 25.3 million Savings $18.9 Million https://www.spotrac.com/nba/atlanta-hawks/cap/ 2023-24 Atlanta Hawks Salary Cap Totals The Hawks are currently over the league salary cap. This means Cap Holds & Exceptions are NOT included in their Total Cap Allocations, and renouncing these figures will not afford them any cap space. The team may only sign outside players using any available exceptions or at league minimum salaries. CAP TYPE CAP TOTAL Active Roster Cap $151,604,314 Cap Holds $7,914,566 Total Cap Allocations $159,518,880 (One of those holds is Bufkin...other 2 are Holiday and Forrest). This leaves us between $10 million and $6 million under the LT. $8 million of the contracts are not guaranteed. $3.8 million of the holds you could flip a coin to if they're back. FYI, let me state it again. The focus in the offseason is finding, eliminating players who cannot defend 3 positions. Theirs, up 1, down 1. Finding/eliminating players who do not cause change of possession without a shot. As for your last point, we know they're not going to trade Trae, so we're limited in that respect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watchman Posted June 26, 2023 Report Share Posted June 26, 2023 4 hours ago, kg01 said: BLopez please..... Brook Lopez would have been nice when we had a low post PF who could score. Maybe our 2nd round draft pick can score. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terrell Posted June 26, 2023 Report Share Posted June 26, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, Watchman said: Wow. The biggest salary dump I've ever seen. Nothing but junk for a good, solid player and leader. I don't want to hear any more from ownership about us being willing to be in the luxury tax. This may be the worst ownership ever. Collins took PEDs and wrecked a season. Not only did he fail to apologize, he spent the following year yapping how he was a MAX player and All Star.... Oh, and getting on the mic in the middle of a season where he was the most disappointing player on one of the most disappointing teams in TEAM HISTORY, and getting upset at the crowd for there being too many opposing fans in the building. smdh(this is when he really lost me.. lol) Sayonara.. Edited June 26, 2023 by terrell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watchman Posted June 26, 2023 Report Share Posted June 26, 2023 (edited) 3 hours ago, kg01 said: Oh AH. If you think they created that space just to up and spend it again, I got some beachfront property in Kansas to sell. I'll give you the Squawk discount. Given our track record, I say it is quite possible. We overspend for mediocre talent, and Ressler will get booed out of the building if the whole thing was just to save him some money. Plus if they give ridiculous overpayments for mediocre talent like OO & JJ, we'll dig ourselves deeper into a hole. Edited June 26, 2023 by Watchman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kg01 Posted June 26, 2023 Report Share Posted June 26, 2023 41 minutes ago, thecampster said: At worst, JC and JJ = same impact, but JJ has more impact and needs the playing time. JC = $23.9 million in salary JJ = $2.9 million in salary Same production (at least) for $21 million less. By the end of the season, all the crocodile tears will dry up. Honestly, there's a lotta truth here. Just hate we sold so low. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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