Folks….we have a rebounding and overall defensive paint issue!

[TheNorthCydeRises]

Positional rebounding . . . . median starter average = whomever is ranked 15th in rebounding at that position

 

PG - median starter average - ( 4.0 rpg ) . . . Trae ranks 34th - ( 2.6 ) . . . . . . . ( -1.4 rpg below median )

http://www.hoopsstats.com/basketball/fantasy/nba/playerstats/24/2/reb/1-1

 

SG - median starter average - ( 5.0 rpg ) . . . Murray ranks 25th - ( 4.3 ) . . . . . . ( -0.7 rpg below median )

http://www.hoopsstats.com/basketball/fantasy/nba/playerstats/24/3/reb/1-1

 

SF - median starter average - ( 5.5 rpg ) . . . Hunter ranks 38th - ( 3.7 ) . . . . . . . ( -1.8 rpg below median )

http://www.hoopsstats.com/basketball/fantasy/nba/playerstats/24/4/reb/1-1

 

PF - median starter average - ( 6.9 rpg ) . . . J. Johnson ranks 7th - ( 7.9 ) . . . . . . ( +1.0 rpg above median )

http://www.hoopsstats.com/basketball/fantasy/nba/playerstats/24/5/reb/1-1

 

C - median starter average - ( 8.7 rpg ) . . . Capela ranks 12th - ( 9.8 ) . . . . . . . . . . ( +1.1 rpg above median )

http://www.hoopsstats.com/basketball/fantasy/nba/playerstats/24/6/reb/1-1

 

[Spud2nique]

3 hours ago, JeffS17 said:

That was a really long winded way for Brad to say Hunter is the problem

[Spud2nique]

2 hours ago, TheNorthCydeRises said:

SF - median starter average - ( 5.5 rpg ) . . . Hunter ranks 38th - ( 3.7 ) . . . . . . . ( -1.8 rpg below median )

http://www.hoopsstats.com/basketball/fantasy/nba/playerstats/24/4/reb/1-1

My eye test is right, Hunter blows. Seriously what was he doin in the gym all summer cuz it sure a heck wasn’t .. it couldn’t have been. Nobody can practice that much as a pro and actually get worse.  

[Diesel]

6 hours ago, TheNorthCydeRises said:

Positional rebounding . . . . median starter average = whomever is ranked 15th in rebounding at that position

 

PG - median starter average - ( 4.0 rpg ) . . . Trae ranks 34th - ( 2.6 ) . . . . . . . ( -1.4 rpg below median )

http://www.hoopsstats.com/basketball/fantasy/nba/playerstats/24/2/reb/1-1

 

SG - median starter average - ( 5.0 rpg ) . . . Murray ranks 25th - ( 4.3 ) . . . . . . ( -0.7 rpg below median )

http://www.hoopsstats.com/basketball/fantasy/nba/playerstats/24/3/reb/1-1

 

SF - median starter average - ( 5.5 rpg ) . . . Hunter ranks 38th - ( 3.7 ) . . . . . . . ( -1.8 rpg below median )

http://www.hoopsstats.com/basketball/fantasy/nba/playerstats/24/4/reb/1-1

 

PF - median starter average - ( 6.9 rpg ) . . . J. Johnson ranks 7th - ( 7.9 ) . . . . . . ( +1.0 rpg above median )

http://www.hoopsstats.com/basketball/fantasy/nba/playerstats/24/5/reb/1-1

 

C - median starter average - ( 8.7 rpg ) . . . Capela ranks 12th - ( 9.8 ) . . . . . . . . . . ( +1.1 rpg above median )

http://www.hoopsstats.com/basketball/fantasy/nba/playerstats/24/6/reb/1-1

 

Damn,

Is No Knox living up to his potential??

[AHF]

@NBASupes  and really anyone:  Why do you think DJ’s rebounding numbers have been su much worse with us than his years in SA?

[Diesel]

3 minutes ago, AHF said:

@NBASupes  and really anyone:  Why do you think DJ’s rebounding numbers have been su much worse with us than his years in SA?

I would say because he came to a team with bigger players and better rebounders. 

IN SA, he had Poeltl but that was the only rebounder with the starters.  His PF was Keldon Johnson.   Johnson is a resourceful player who plays hard but he's only 6'5" .  Even before Johnson, he had LaMarcus Aldridge at C...  Well, his rebounding was lower when he had Aldridge and Gay.

But playing with Capela and JC....     and Capela and JJ.   He has better rebounders around him. 

 

 

[AHF]

4 minutes ago, Diesel said:

I would say because he came to a team with bigger players and better rebounders. 

IN SA, he had Poeltl but that was the only rebounder with the starters.  His PF was Keldon Johnson.   Johnson is a resourceful player who plays hard but he's only 6'5" .  Even before Johnson, he had LaMarcus Aldridge at C...  Well, his rebounding was lower when he had Aldridge and Gay.

But playing with Capela and JC....     and Capela and JJ.   He has better rebounders around him. 

 

 

I just don’t see that born out in the numbers.  His last SA team ranked 9th best in the league in TRB.  The Hawks ranked 10th last year and this year are 16th.  (The other years are comparable to his Hawks teams.). That would suggest at least a comparable number of opportunities should be there notwithstanding that CC might be a better individual rebounder than Poetl (maybe because other players on SA were better than their Hawks counterparts).  I just don’t accept the premise that we are such an amazing rebounding team that out guards and wings have no opportunities to rebound.

[NBASupes]

32 minutes ago, AHF said:

@NBASupes  and really anyone:  Why do you think DJ’s rebounding numbers have been su much worse with us than his years in SA?

He's playing with Capela and he's also got a lot more defensive responsibilities here than in SA. That's pretty much it. As I said with JC, he's not a worse rebounder. Just a lot less opportunities. 

[Diesel]

36 minutes ago, AHF said:

I just don’t see that born out in the numbers.  His last SA team ranked 9th best in the league in TRB.  The Hawks ranked 10th last year and this year are 16th.  (The other years are comparable to his Hawks teams.). That would suggest at least a comparable number of opportunities should be there notwithstanding that CC might be a better individual rebounder than Poetl (maybe because other players on SA were better than their Hawks counterparts).  I just don’t accept the premise that we are such an amazing rebounding team that out guards and wings have no opportunities to rebound.

Opportunities.. Sure... but looking at the total rebounds  without looking at the individual effort is not the way to look at it.

 

A+B = 40  Let's say that both teams got 40 rebounds. 

If A = 12  then B = 28...  So if Clint's rebounds = 12, then there are 28 rebounds left to get 

If A = 9 then B = 31.  So if Poeltl rebounds = 9, then there are 31 rebounds left to get. 

So off the top, playing with us offers him 3 less opportunities to rebound if Clint is on his game.   Then consider that SA was a smaller team aside from Poeltl.   He could magnify his opportunities. 

 

But I don't suggest that offensive and defensive scheme doesn't play a role also.   They seemingly rolled out a Center and 4 SF-SGs.

 

 

[JayBirdHawk]

34 minutes ago, AHF said:

I just don’t see that born out in the numbers.  His last SA team ranked 9th best in the league in TRB.  The Hawks ranked 10th last year and this year are 16th.  (The other years are comparable to his Hawks teams.). That would suggest at least a comparable number of opportunities should be there notwithstanding that CC might be a better individual rebounder than Poetl (maybe because other players on SA were better than their Hawks counterparts).  I just don’t accept the premise that we are such an amazing rebounding team that out guards and wings have no opportunities to rebound.

I think part of it is just effort and responsibility/mindset. As the lead PG in SAS, he would get the rebound and initiate the offense himself. Here, it's let CC/JC grab the rebound then pass it to Trae.

It would be interesting to see if his rebounding numbers looks different when he's running point vs when he isn't.

[JayBirdHawk]

8 hours ago, Diesel said:

 

Bogi, Hunter, Bey.... Time to get those rebounds up!!!

 

Bogi so far is the biggest culprit when it comes to simply boxing out.

[kg01]

10 hours ago, JayBirdHawk said:

It would help if out guards and wings box out.

You mean instead of shot-watching as their man waltzes by to grab the rebound?  You think that would help? 

[kg01]

1 hour ago, JayBirdHawk said:

Bogi so far is the biggest culprit when it comes to simply boxing out.

He is elite at the frustrating 'clap' after he has to foul the guy he didn't box out.  Especially if it results in an and-1. 

[Plainview1981]

12 hours ago, JTB said:

Hopefully it gets better.

I was wondering about this but haven’t had the chance to rewatch the games.

So far it seems like a bad idea because even if we get the opponent to miss we are giving up way too many second chances….I wonder if Quinn will switch it up if we keep getting dominated on second chance points and unable to grab board’s defensively.

 

I must say even though Jalen isn’t a big PF…I’m actually impressed with his rebounding so far this season. I kind of believe Jalen could attack the glass and avg good rebounding at the 3 if given opportunity.

Don’t look now but Hunters rebounding seems to have regressed.

JJ now Is better than the Collins from the last few years, but this team is small, and they play small. Two guards that are both really PG's, a SF that is not really tough or physical, and a center that doesn't have great size. Neither do the backups.

[JayBirdHawk]

49 minutes ago, kg01 said:

He is elite at the frustrating 'clap' after he has to foul the guy he didn't box out.  Especially if it results in an and-1. 

LOL - that exactly.

51 minutes ago, kg01 said:

You mean instead of shot-watching as their man waltzes by to grab the rebound?  You think that would help? 

I mean basic fundamental basketball stuff - right?

[kg01]

9 hours ago, JayBirdHawk said:

LOL - that exactly.

I mean basic fundamental basketball stuff - right?

I like Bogd but he embodies this issue you speak of.  Taken further, his retaliation is to jakc up the very next 3 he has.  Don't matter how far.  He makes a good clip of them but they're clearly get-back shots. 

[JTB]

11 hours ago, Plainview1981 said:

JJ now Is better than the Collins from the last few years, but this team is small, and they play small. Two guards that are both really PG's, a SF that is not really tough or physical, and a center that doesn't have great size. Neither do the backups.

I’m not really concerned about the small backcourt. It gets mentioned often around here but I personally believe the front court not being tall and lengthy is a much bigger issue.

[Packfill]

On 11/19/2023 at 3:47 PM, Diesel said:

 

I'm not as concerned.   Mainly because we're in a new offense/defense with new personnel playing with him.  

The telling things is;

Last year...  as a team, our total rebounding was 44. 4 rpg.

This year...  as a team, our total rebounding is 44.2 rpg

To me that suggests that CC's numbers may be down but somebody else's is up. 

Collins on a top 20 rebounding list . . .  

[Diesel]

Don't look now but...

John Collins... Top 20 rebounder and shooting damn near 45% from 3.

 

[Spud2nique]

30 minutes ago, Diesel said:

Don't look now but...

John Collins... Top 20 rebounder and shooting damn near 45% from 3.

 

I’m happy for JC.