Describe the 2023-24 Season in ONE Word.

[NBASupes]

8 minutes ago, kg01 said:

Literally every other NBA decision maker sees him as probably a backup - otherwise, and especially as a non-NIL recipient, he'd already be in the league. 

The fact that Jokic defied all odds to become what he is has skewed people's viewpoints, I think.

He's the exception, not the rule.  You can't bank on that happening again. 

 

Except this is not what some believe. It's annoying as hell when people like you argue this because you don't believe it. Well, I don't believe you. 

Edited April 16 by NBASupes

[NBASupes]

3 minutes ago, KB21 said:

Yep, and even with that comparison, Jokic is an exceptional perimeter shooter and passer.  Edey is neither.  

They aren't the same player. One is an off ball specialist at two categories who is an elite helper. The other is an offensive hub who provides unique offensive abilities and skills. They are completely different players but both have a WARP of 3.1 as a prospect. 

I be foolish to not want someone with a higher WARP than Trae. 

[kg01]

2 minutes ago, NBASupes said:

Except this is not what some believe. It's annoying as hell when people like you argue this because you don't believe it. Well, I don't believe you. 

Whatchu talking bout, willis.. I mean, hotSupes?

I dont believe what?

3 minutes ago, NBASupes said:

Edey would fix all of our massive issues. That said, he's not a singular solution, no rookie is, even Tim Duncan or David Robinson but we aren't that far. All of our issues are obvious and most revolve around our offensive 5 which we don't have any with a pulse. 

This ... I can agree with.  My issue is folks that seem to think some rookie is indeed a singular solution. 

[REHawksFan]

I think anyone that believes we do not need an upgrade at the Center position is fooling themselves.  Maybe that Edey.  Maybe that Clingan. Maybe that's an existing NBA player.  I don't know, but I do know that Clint was way too inconsistent this year.  And with the current construction of the team, we need our center, whomever they are, to be consistently really good.  

According to NBA.com's Player Impact Estimate (not perfect but best I got), Clint ranks 34th among NBA Centers in impact for the year.  Bruno ranks 69th and OO ranks 71st.  To be blunt, that sucks out loud for your Center rotation for the year.  

 

[NBASupes]

We aren't far at all. We just don't fit yet. We needed prime Atlanta Capela who gave us a WAR of 11 in our ECF run to really be a contender. We need an impact center more than anything else and offensively, that's the one position Trae makes better. Why not get an elite Helper who's game fits right with Trae and Purdue to a small extent uses Smith like we use Trae. They just trust him a lot less than we trust Trae. 

[JayBirdHawk]

20 minutes ago, REHawksFan said:

Clint ranks 34th among NBA Centers in impact for the year.  Bruno ranks 69th and OO ranks 71st.  To be blunt, that sucks out loud for your Center rotation for the year.  

 

[KB21]

25 minutes ago, NBASupes said:

We aren't far at all. We just don't fit yet. We needed prime Atlanta Capela who gave us a WAR of 11 in our ECF run to really be a contender. We need an impact center more than anything else and offensively, that's the one position Trae makes better. Why not get an elite Helper who's game fits right with Trae and Purdue to a small extent uses Smith like we use Trae. They just trust him a lot less than we trust Trae. 

Probably because he makes a bad defensive team even worse, and he's not going to be the pick and roll rim runner you seem to think he's going to be.  He's too slow.  

[Dnice]

They can get to steppin.

[Spud2nique]

OJ Mayo (not Pimpson)  Horford and Edey STAND!!!! 
 

vs Me cagey and Bird!

Its not a threat it’s a promise…-m deep

Just now, Spud2nique said:

OJ Mayo (not Pimpson)  Horford and Edey STAND!!!! 
 

vs Me cagey and Bird!

Its not a threat it’s a promise…-m deep

And Torrence Craig (defensive savant) 

[Spud2nique]

16 minutes ago, JayBirdHawk said:

Clint is some fools gold I tell ya, statistically he kills it with the boards but he holds us back in many ways from bursting through that wall {motioning fist repeatedly breaking through my other hand up top}.. 

[KB21]

3 minutes ago, Spud2nique said:

Clint is some fools gold I tell ya, statistically he kills it with the boards but he holds us back in many ways from bursting through that wall {motioning fist repeatedly breaking through my other hand up top}.. 

The reason he holds the team back is the fact that he has no perimeter offensive game to speak of, and he cannot switch defensively.  He can hedge and show, but he can't switch and guard on the perimeter.  We need a big that can play on the perimeter offensively and also guard multiple positions defensively.  

Wait.  We have that big on the roster already, but we have too many fans who want to replace him because "He's too short to be a center."

Edited April 16 by KB21

[AHF]

1 minute ago, KB21 said:

The reason he holds the team back is the fact that he has no perimeter offensive game to speak of, and he cannot switch defensively.  He can hedge and show, but he can't switch and guard on the perimeter.  We need a big that can play on the perimeter offensively and also guard multiple positions defensively.  

Wait.  We have that big on the roster already, but we have too many fans who want to replace him because "He's too short to be a center."

It isn't just that he has no perimeter game.  He has no offensive game outside of like 3 feet from the basket and he isn't great there either.

Defensively he has regressed from a few years ago which hurts.

[kg01]

56 minutes ago, REHawksFan said:

... According to NBA.com's Player Impact Estimate (not perfect but best I got), Clint ranks 34th among NBA Centers in impact for the year.  Bruno ranks 69th and OO ranks 71st.  To be blunt, that sucks out loud for your Center rotation for the year.  

 

I think I'm gonna be sick ... 

[Spud2nique]

2 hours ago, KB21 said:

The reason he holds the team back is the fact that he has no perimeter offensive game to speak of, and he cannot switch defensively.  He can hedge and show, but he can't switch and guard on the perimeter.  We need a big that can play on the perimeter offensively and also guard multiple positions defensively.  

Wait.  We have that big on the roster already, but we have too many fans who want to replace him because "He's too short to be a center."

Perimeter shooting and d ya that’s kind of a big part of the offense scheme. You can’t expand the court with Clint whatsoever cuz he doesn’t even have a middy let alone a 3.

[Spud2nique]

2 hours ago, AHF said:

He has no offensive game outside of like 3 feet from the basket and he isn't great there either.

Ya AhF says it too. He jumped in front of me to protect me from you!  He’s a damn superhero I tell ya! Kentucky Law! That should be a show! LA is overrated! 

[KB21]

The prospect that has the most NBA ready skill set is this guy with his defense:

 

[AHF]

Dunn's defense is NBA ready.  His offense is Clint Capela like but at the wing.  That ~50% FT% and 20% 3pt% is abysmal.  I normally think of an NBA ready player as someone who is ready to step in to contribute in the rotation early in his career.  I'm not sure Dunn is playable with offense like that so I see him as the opposite of NBA ready right now as he needs development before he can be a rotation regular much like an offensive player who can't play a lick of D needs development before he is really ready.

Dunn's defense is good enough that he is intriguing if the staff thinks that shot is fixable.  An Isaac Okoro-like improvement would make him really attractive.  

But even Okoro shot 67% from the line giving you more reason for hope than a near 50% ft% from a wing.

[TheNorthCydeRises]

19 hours ago, ShooterSays said:

Was going to say Treadmill bc we’re in the play-in year after year after year…but it’s worse than that.

I looked at our record and we’ve gone from 43 wins to 41 to now 36 wins over the past 3 seasons. This team is literally regressing. But I guess that’s what happens when you turn key players into picks that aren’t transferring and cap space. 

REGRESSION

How many games have we lost to injury the past 3 seasons?

[TheNorthCydeRises]

6 hours ago, KB21 said:

I can't see how any player they can take will play much in 2024/2025.  

 

If that player can play, he should definitely take time from some of these guys.

We can't keep throwing this mediocre product out on the floor, and act like their position in the roster is untouchable.

 

[JayBirdHawk]

1 hour ago, AHF said:

That ~50% FT% and 20% 3pt% is abysmal.