This Is A 3 year Process

[sillent]

Alot of people lack vision but I can see it clear now. THIS IS A 3 YEAR PROCESS and in that 3rd year we will be legit contenders. This isn't a 76ers, wolves, suns, kings, lakers or any other team that had to restart and rebuild and take what seemingly feels like forever. True we will not be too good next year but we will be competitive. Still bad enough though to rack up on another talented draft and get our big of the future to pair with Collins, Dennis, Prince, Bembry. We will draw alot of attention in our second year and possibly even get to the playoffs and/or draw a big name in free agency that sees our vision and where we are going. Possibly even someone like Antetekoumpo(I'm sure I spelt that wrong) but Schlenk will look to sneak in and get a great young up and coming talent on a great contract. In the 3rd year our team will be gelling with great cap space, young, hungry and more developed talent and looking to make waves in this league for years to come. Precise planning and strategy is what is going to allow this to happen and also is exactly what we're doing. With Hawks U still in place a great shooting coach our young players will develop faster than most and we will be credited as a model franchise via Spurs/Warriors caliber.    

MOCK MY WORDS BUT WE WILL BE GREAT FOR A LONG TIME IN/AFTER 3 YEARS AND WE'RE IN YEAR #1   

[Watchman]

9 minutes ago, sillent said:

Alot of people lack vision but I can see it clear now. THIS IS A 3 YEAR PROCESS and in that 3rd year we will be legit contenders. This isn't a 76ers, wolves, suns, kings, lakers or any other team that had to restart and rebuild and take what seemingly feels like forever. True we will not be too good next year but we will be competitive. Still bad enough though to rack up on another talented draft and get our big of the future to pair with Collins, Dennis, Prince, Bembry. We will draw alot of attention in our second year and possibly even get to the playoffs and/or draw a big name in free agency that sees our vision and where we are going. Possibly even someone like Antetekoumpo(I'm sure I spelt that wrong) but Schlenk will look to sneak in and get a great young up and coming talent on a great contract. In the 3rd year our team will be gelling with great cap space, young, hungry and more developed talent and looking to make waves in this league for years to come. Precise planning and strategy is what is going to allow this to happen and also is exactly what we're doing. With Hawks U still in place a great shooting coach our young players will develop faster than most and we will be credited as a model franchise via Spurs/Warriors caliber.    

MOCK MY WORDS BUT WE WILL BE GREAT FOR A LONG TIME IN/AFTER 3 YEARS AND WE'RE IN YEAR #1   

Oh your words will be mocked.  13 years is more likely than 3 years.

[TheNorthCydeRises]

12 minutes ago, sillent said:

Alot of people lack vision but I can see it clear now. THIS IS A 3 YEAR PROCESS and in that 3rd year we will be legit contenders. This isn't a 76ers, wolves, suns, kings, lakers or any other team that had to restart and rebuild and take what seemingly feels like forever. True we will not be too good next year but we will be competitive. Still bad enough though to rack up on another talented draft and get our big of the future to pair with Collins, Dennis, Prince, Bembry. We will draw alot of attention in our second year and possibly even get to the playoffs and/or draw a big name in free agency that sees our vision and where we are going. Possibly even someone like Antetekoumpo(I'm sure I spelt that wrong) but Schlenk will look to sneak in and get a great young up and coming talent on a great contract. In the 3rd year our team will be gelling with great cap space, young, hungry and more developed talent and looking to make waves in this league for years to come. Precise planning and strategy is what is going to allow this to happen and also is exactly what we're doing. With Hawks U still in place a great shooting coach our young players will develop faster than most and we will be credited as a model franchise via Spurs/Warriors caliber.    

MOCK MY WORDS BUT WE WILL BE GREAT FOR A LONG TIME IN/AFTER 3 YEARS AND WE'RE IN YEAR #1   

 

The only way this will be a 3 year process, is if Dennis becomes an All-Star during this time.  The future of the Hawks ALL rides on Dennis' shoulders.   If at any point Dennis gets frustrated . . or that the fan base turns on Dennis because he's doing too much, and failing at it . . that's a KILLER.

You could sell the "competitive" theme, if we still had vets on the squad that could step up and win games.  But as of right now, Bazemore may be the veteran voice of the team and one of the oldest players on the squad.

 

So we need these things for this to be a 3 year process

 

- Dennis becomes an All-Star by the 2019 season

- Hawks draft someone who IMMEDIATELY looks like he has All-Star talent in his rookie year

- One of the other young Hawks having the talent to be at least a borderline All-Star

- Acquiring a veteran starter quality player who can possibly serve as the leader of the young squad ( which is what Millsap would've end up being )

 

[Watchman]

2 minutes ago, TheNorthCydeRises said:

 

The only way this will be a 3 year process, is if Dennis becomes an All-Star during this time.  The future of the Hawks ALL rides on Dennis' shoulders.   If at any point Dennis gets frustrated . . or that the fan base turns on Dennis because he's doing too much, and failing at it . . that's a KILLER.

You could sell the "competitive" theme, if we still had vets on the squad that could step up and win games.  But as of right now, Bazemore may be the veteran voice of the team and one of the oldest players on the squad.

 

So we need these things for this to be a 3 year process

 

- Dennis becomes an All-Star by the 2019 season

- Hawks draft someone who IMMEDIATELY looks like he has All-Star talent in his rookie year

- One of the other young Hawks having the talent to be at least a borderline All-Star

- Acquiring a veteran starter quality player who can possibly serve as the leader of the young squad ( which is what Millsap would've end up being )

 

Finally, the voice of reason.

[ThomasCredle]

22 minutes ago, sillent said:

Alot of people lack vision but I can see it clear now. THIS IS A 3 YEAR PROCESS and in that 3rd year we will be legit contenders. This isn't a 76ers, wolves, suns, kings, lakers or any other team that had to restart and rebuild and take what seemingly feels like forever. True we will not be too good next year but we will be competitive. Still bad enough though to rack up on another talented draft and get our big of the future to pair with Collins, Dennis, Prince, Bembry. We will draw alot of attention in our second year and possibly even get to the playoffs and/or draw a big name in free agency that sees our vision and where we are going. Possibly even someone like Antetekoumpo(I'm sure I spelt that wrong) but Schlenk will look to sneak in and get a great young up and coming talent on a great contract. In the 3rd year our team will be gelling with great cap space, young, hungry and more developed talent and looking to make waves in this league for years to come. Precise planning and strategy is what is going to allow this to happen and also is exactly what we're doing. With Hawks U still in place a great shooting coach our young players will develop faster than most and we will be credited as a model franchise via Spurs/Warriors caliber.    

MOCK MY WORDS BUT WE WILL BE GREAT FOR A LONG TIME IN/AFTER 3 YEARS AND WE'RE IN YEAR #1   

I feel the same we have the potential to be hitting our stride right as golden state and Cleveland decline or break up.  It still is painful now watching us just lay a foundation.  Here's to delayed gratification and faith in then"plan"

[TheNorthCydeRises]

I think Schlenk's MASTER PLAN .  .  . is to throw a max contract at this guy in the summer of 2019.

 

[DUrce1]

Minimum 5 years...

after the 2019/2020 season we will only have Schröder, Bembry, Prince, and Collins under contract. I bet we don't sign any free agents that will be on the roster after that season. We have 6 1st round draft picks over the next 3 years that we will either use or package to move up plus 2nd round picks. The Hawks will hope that they have at least 3 starters and some bench players from those picks and our current young guys, then sign a couple good free agents to round the team out. It will take a season to play together and figure out if we need another piece or 2. 5 years to field a playoff team. Plus that allows the current stud teams to get past their prime.

I'd also be surprised if Dennis is still on the team. If we won't compete for another 5 years we might as well trade him. 

[ThomasCredle]

I think Klay will be getting that call but like a couple people above said.   Dennis will have to be an all star and Collins or Prince emerging stars for him to actual consider it.  

I would love for us to be that team needing one more superstar to be contenders and Klay to have enough ego that he wants to be the Man and not the third option

[Watchman]

4 minutes ago, TheNorthCydeRises said:

I think Schlenk's MASTER PLAN .  .  . is to throw a max contract at this guy in the summer of 2019.

 

Klay is a good player, but not a "difference maker."  No max please.

[NBASupes]

Ayton, Doncic or Porter Jr. 

Zion or Bagley III

Barrett

 

Contending in three years. 

[swanlee]

F this crap, no guarantee this "process" will pay off at the least we should have kept THJR as he could be a center piece to the team long term.

I stopped supporting the Braves when they tanked and will do,the same with the Hawks.

2 out of the 3 ATL sports teams are in a self imposed tank job with ZERO guarantee it will ever pay off. I will not be supporting in this crap. 

Sports team have to remain competitive while building a roster, to do anything else is telling the current fans and season ticket holders to F off. Can they tank tickets prices while they tank this roster? Didn't think so

It is no surprise the only ATL sports team not tanking now is owned by an actual person that actually gives a damn about it's fans. 

Tanking is not a viable option and I will give a big middle finger to this team for going down that route.

Edited July 9, 2017 by swanlee

[Lurker]

A baseball season is much longer, but I am enjoying this Braves season waaaaaayyyyyyyy more than I enjoyed a team that was trying to "compete" in the Hawks this year so far.

I know they likely won't make the playoffs and are under .500, but when you compare it with a team that is "competing for the playoffs" and getting their tits ripped every other game, it's more enjoyable.

[KB21]

I admire the optimism, but this is highly unlikely.  The only way this happens is if Dennis Schröder becomes the player that I think he can actually be (i.e.....consistently gives us what we saw in the playoffs), we end up with Luka Doncic in the 2018 draft, and John Collins becomes a star by his 2nd year, and they add solid, immediate role players with Minnesota's pick, Houston's pick, Oklahoma City's pick if we end up getting that one (suspect Atlanta takes on Aldrich's contract for OKC's 1st), and the lottery pick the team will have in 2019 becomes an immediate contributing role player if not near all star.    

[Lurker]

The best case scenario is actually Boston, but they had great assets in their aging stars and an idiot, desperate GM in Brooklyn and of course, everything good happens to New England sports and everything bad happens to southern sports (unless you're talking about LeBron). :'\

[DrReality]

2 hours ago, TheNorthCydeRises said:

 

The only way this will be a 3 year process, is if Dennis becomes an All-Star during this time.  The future of the Hawks ALL rides on Dennis' shoulders.   If at any point Dennis gets frustrated . . or that the fan base turns on Dennis because he's doing too much, and failing at it . . that's a KILLER.

You could sell the "competitive" theme, if we still had vets on the squad that could step up and win games.  But as of right now, Bazemore may be the veteran voice of the team and one of the oldest players on the squad.

 

So we need these things for this to be a 3 year process

 

- Dennis becomes an All-Star by the 2019 season

- Hawks draft someone who IMMEDIATELY looks like he has All-Star talent in his rookie year

- One of the other young Hawks having the talent to be at least a borderline All-Star

- Acquiring a veteran starter quality player who can possibly serve as the leader of the young squad ( which is what Millsap would've end up being )

 

I'd vote for this plan. But it would be hard for the new owner who's building his palace to wait that long. He'll have to give free drinks at his courtside bar.  

[DS5]

3 hours ago, TheNorthCydeRises said:

I think Schlenk's MASTER PLAN .  .  . is to throw a max contract at this guy in the summer of 2019.

 

I think we'll try to get him before then. Golden state is going to be forced to make a call and either trade him or let him walk at the end '19 and I think we'll be in one of the better positions to take advantage of that. I totally agree in that this was Schlenk's master plan though. 

And I would be completely on board, he can be our Harden. 

[marco102]

Here's a good read about what our GM may be doing.  I'm posting it here and apologize for the length.

https://theringer.com/nba-salary-cap-effect-2017-18-3cd31f461067

After the Big Bang

One year after the NBA’s astronomical salary cap boom, things are starting to normalize. Teams will have to be smart with their money, just like before. What does that mean for acquiring stars in the future?

(Getty Images/Ringer illustration)

 

 

The NBA is finally starting to process the fallout from an unprecedented summer last year. The league’s salary cap was $35.5 million in 2000–01 and then steadily rose to a 2008–09 level of $58.7 million, where it stayed, give or take $1 million, for six seasons through 2013–14. In 13 years, the cap rose about as much as it did just last summer, when the NBA’s big cap boom rocketed the figure from $70 million in 2015–16 to $94.1 million in 2016–17. It was unlike anything the league had ever seen. With newfound money, teams splurged, overspending on the likes of Evan Turner, Timofey Mozgov, and Joakim Noah. You could say those teams were negligent — and you’d be right — but they operated under the assumption that the cap would keep surging. It didn’t: A shorter-than-expected 2017 postseason caused a limited increase in the 2017–18 cap, to just $99.1 million (projections last year had it as high as $108 million).

That isn’t to say we’re headed for an NBA recession. Some teams will always spend lavishly. The Knicks signed Tim Hardaway Jr. to an offer sheet worth $71 million over four years, only two years after trading him for Jerian Grant, who they traded for Derrick Rose, whose cap hold they’ll have to renounce to sign Hardaway. Phil Jackson’s gone, but the Knicks are still off their rocker. For the most part, though, players are getting what they’re actually worth: The Heat may have lost all of their cap flexibility, but they’ve locked up Kelly Olynyk and James Johnson on fair contracts worth approximately $50 million and $60 million, respectively, over four years. Projections for the salary cap in the two seasons following 2017–18 are at $102 million and $108 million, respectively. But these increases are tame compared with the disproportionate hike we saw last season. Another big bang isn’t coming, and teams must adjust. Under the NBA’s financial climate earlier in the decade, making big moves often meant finagling contracts to create flexibility or using extensions, since having cap space wasn’t a given. Most teams didn’t hand out massive deals like candy because they couldn’t. And now that much of the league has used up its onetime gift of surplus cap space from last season, teams will once again have to check their spending habits closely.

Players Can’t Take the Market for Granted

Though we’re seeing players like Kevin Durant and Dirk Nowitzki take less money to free up salary for other players or ease their team’s luxury tax burdens, for the most part players are concerned with maximizing their earnings during their short lives as pros. Take George Hill, for example. In February, Hill declined a renegotiation-and-extension that could’ve paid him an additional $13.6 million last season and potentially up to $74.7 million over the next three seasons. ESPN’s Tim MacMahon reported that Hill had been advised he could get a much better deal in free agency. Hill lost his bet: He signed with the Kings for three years and $57 million, with a third-year team option and a partial guarantee. A steep miscalculation occurred somewhere along the line, leaving Hill roughly $30 million short of what he could’ve had with a renegotiated deal with the Jazz.

There will be more players who receive bad financial advice and end up taking major losses. That’ll never change. But Hill’s situation serves as an example for future free agents, and teams: The market might not be there even when you’re expecting it. Teams simply aren’t going to have the money to burn like they did in 2016. Looking ahead, half the league could be in the luxury tax next summer. This means many clubs will be restricted to using exceptions to make moves, or they’ll have to seek out sign-and-trades if they have salaries to match.

Will the NBA’s “Middlemen” Be Cut Out?

Bona fide superstars like Paul George and Chris Paul will always find max contracts, but second-tier stars like Isaiah Thomas, or high-end role players like Derrick Favors, might not find the market they were hoping for had they hit free agency in 2015 or 2016. Thomas often tweets about Brink’s trucks as an expression for his upcoming payday, but when Kyle Lowry isn’t getting a full max deal and Hill can’t sign for even three fully guaranteed seasons, there are no assurances the market is strong for a 5-foot-9 point guard nearing 30 and who is one year removed from a major hip injury. All it takes is one team, but destinations are limited for those non-transcendent players once they hit the market. The middle class is getting squeezed one year after it was being rewarded more than its members could ever dream.

If teams do want to splurge in free agency, they’ll need to strategically create cap space, just like they did … not too long ago. After signing and trading LeBron James to the Heat in 2010, the Cavaliers prepared for a chance at getting him back in 2014 by clearing cap space and accumulating assets (and getting extremely lucky in the draft) to make themselves a viable home for LeBron. As Adrian Wojnarowski said on The Ryen Russillo Show, teams are already trying to figure out how to get Giannis Antetokounmpo out of Milwaukee, and the same can be applied to Anthony Davis, or even John Wall after he hesitated signing an extension this summer with the Wizards. Forward-thinking teams that forecast the availability of a star will have the chance to strike by gathering assets in the form of picks and young players, and by signing short-term contracts that could potentially be used as necessary filler to facilitate a trade.

The same long-view logic applies leaguewide, of course, and not to just superstars. Agents can look ahead and figure out the year when their clients would benefit the most, too. As cap guru Nate Duncan recently pointed out on Twitter, 2020 is when the big-money deals of 2016 will be off the books, meaning more money will be available for another set of lucrative contracts. Players looking to get paid might want to think about timing their unrestricted free-agency period to come that year, since there’s a chance that teams will spend lavishly after a few years of a tight budget.

How Strong Is Your GM’s Investment Portfolio?

In the meantime, teams will need to spend smartly and sign contracts that maximize their position, given the cap climate. Teams with two max-level stars — like the Wizards and Pelicans — will need to dip their toes into the luxury tax pool, or even belly-flop in, to maintain a competitive roster. The Wizards will more than likely match the max offer sheet Otto Porter Jr. signed with the Nets on Tuesday, and the Pelicans just handed out a huge deal to Jrue Holiday. Neither player really moves the championship needle, but their teams have no other choices.

Teams across the league will monitor the situations of Wall and Davis. But they’ll also need to be ready for when those players are available, whether that’s through free agency in 2019 for Wall or in 2020 for Davis, or with the right package before that. Teams that will be under the cap, including the Lakers, Hawks, and Suns, are loading up on cap space, putting themselves in position to pounce on opportunities. Teams over the cap, such as the Rockets and Celtics, retain similar flexibility, even after their splash acquisitions this summer, with their mixture of assets and movable contracts.

The NBA’s cap bubble may still be rising, but it might as well have already burst. Teams won’t be gifted max-contract space by the basketball gods like they were in the summer of 2016. They’ll need to create it. The smartest teams that cleverly manipulate their contracts to best take advantage of the new cap will be rewarded. It’s back to normal for the NBA.

 

[sillent]

I honestly don't think Klay is hungry enough but Dennis is, so is Prince and I'll include Bembry and Collins in that mix. If I learned anything in this league heart wins over talent and these players seem to have some or alot of both. Klay on the other hand is skilled but nonchalant so if the price isn't right I would not build with him in mind. Platers like James Harden or Russell Westbrook (though they have their faults) have a care to be great and command their own squad. Though Dennis may not yet be in there category skill wise he has the same heart and mindset and so does Prince and I would build around players like this as we are doing..

[benhillboy]

I don't have any qualms at all about the tank.  I'm optimistic that the roster (still  not finished) will be greater than the sum of the parts.  Schlank won me over with the no-nonsense trades/releases of poor values.  I'm chilling while he drafts some studs and Bud coaches em up, however long it takes.  I'm too Atlanta to do anything else.  Imma just get on some @Sothron type business and lite follow the Wolves since my folk Butler and Crawdawg over there.

Edited July 9, 2017 by benhillboy

[TheFuzz]

5 hours ago, Lurker said:

The best case scenario is actually Boston, but they had great assets in their aging stars and an idiot, desperate GM in Brooklyn and of course, everything good happens to New England sports and everything bad happens to southern sports (unless you're talking about LeBron). :'\

I do think Boston is (ideally) the closest analogue. They never completely bottomed out, they just acquired a bunch of picks and found an underappreciated star. We've got the picks part down, now we just need to develop or land an under the radar star on the cheap...