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[thecampster]

23 minutes ago, terrell said:

Heard anything Supes? Or is this just BS?

"The Atlanta Hawks and The Golden State Warriors will be doing business prior to or on Draft night. A trade is looming"

That's old simmer.  It was discussed. Nothing is imminent that I'm aware of. GS is playing teams off of each other to see what interest is there.

[JayBirdHawk]

8 minutes ago, thecampster said:

That's old simmer.  It was discussed. Nothing is imminent that I'm aware of. GS is playing teams off of each other to see what interest is there.

Any details on the parameters of the 'discussion' that you can share?

[NBASupes]

3 hours ago, thecampster said:

Supes - ask your boy about Phoenix today.

Asked. 

He didn't have nothing new except they have SERIOUS interest in Millsap or Bertrans and of course FVV. I heard they would consider a SnT of Rubio for FVV as well. Oubre is readily available but I am hearing interest in close to nil. Personality issues. PHX will likely have to attach an asset to move him but #10 is far too steep alone. 

Orlando was really trying to do a deal to move up for Ball but their lack of assets that teams at high want outside of Isaac is noticeable and like us, if everyone wants that guy, you usually want that guy as much if not more. 

Toronto had talks with MIN about #1 but they have since stalled. MIN will have to trade a lot more than #1 to land someone like Siakam. That's something they don't have or want to do.

Golden State and MIN have been talking to everybody and NOTHING is sure what they are going to do in this draft. 

Atlanta has the most open phoneline in the world and from what he's hearing, no really good offers are on the table to move up or down YET. Atlanta willingness to listen to offers is why teams use Atlanta to gage the market to some degree. Teams got a good feel that Atlanta doesn't want to move a future 1st or any of their core 5 + Capela at all. Doesn't stop them from asking nonetheless. 

Teams have been calling on all players. Cam, JC, Hunter, Kev, even Capela. Everyone but Trae who they automatically assume is off the market and NO quickly follows. Teams know Atlanta wants to win now but are realizing win now means something different to Atlanta than it means to them and you gotta realize, they aren't around our guys like that, they are around their guys. 

Brooklyn is literally waiting on the cap to decide if they want to trade 19+Prince or keep Prince and use 19 for trade bait. 

Teams who are getting knocked out the bubble aren't overrating yet including MIL. They do want to make some more moves than just moving Bledsoe. He's hearing Bledsoe's marking is okay and if MIL wanted to get rid of him for nothing, they could with no issues. They are open to bad contract/good player for Bledsoe. 

As crazy as it sounds, MIL is looking at some wild moves and not just for CP3. They are looking to add talent while not losing key talent. 

[capstone21]

1 hour ago, NBASupes said:

Asked. 

 

Teams who are getting knocked out the bubble aren't overrating yet including MIL. They do want to make some more moves than just moving Bledsoe. He's hearing Bledsoe's marking is okay and if MIL wanted to get rid of him for nothing, they could with no issues. They are open to bad contract/good player for Bledsoe. 

As crazy as it sounds, MIL is looking at some wild moves and not just for CP3. They are looking to add talent while not losing key talent. 

Very smart of MIL ... intrigued to see what kind of moves that can make.  Greek Freak unfollowed all the teammates and the Bucks this past weekend.  Thats kind of KD move.

[bird_dirt]

2 hours ago, NBASupes said:

 They are looking to add talent while not losing key talent. 

Aren't we all.

[NBASupes]

49 minutes ago, bird_dirt said:

Aren't we all.

Not really. They are more willing to get talent on a bad contract which is something we aren't willing to do unless its within reason.

[thecampster]

3 hours ago, JayBirdHawk said:

Any details on the parameters of the 'discussion' that you can share?

GS thinks they can move Wiggins + 2 for a better fit that costs less and a trade down. Basically look for teams with greater than $10 million in functional cap space and a pick higher than 15.  They're looking for better fits and less money, not necessarily = talent.  They've had conversations with no less than 7 teams.

 

Edited September 15, 2020 by thecampster

[RedDawg#8]

2 hours ago, capstone21 said:

Greek Freak unfollowed all the teammates and the Bucks this past weekend.  Thats kind of KD move.

Word is he did that last offseason too. Unfollowed all his followers except close family. His way of unplugging from the season and shifting his focus.

I wouldnt read too deep in to that

[NBASupes]

1 hour ago, thecampster said:

GS thinks they can move Wiggins + 2 for a better fit that costs less and a trade down. Basically look for teams with greater than $10 million in functional cap space and a pick higher than 15.  They're looking for better fits and less money, not necessarily = talent.  They've had conversations with no less than 7 teams.

 

Good stuff

[JTB]

2 hours ago, thecampster said:

GS thinks they can move Wiggins + 2 for a better fit that costs less and a trade down. Basically look for teams with greater than $10 million in functional cap space and a pick higher than 15.  They're looking for better fits and less money, not necessarily = talent.  They've had conversations with no less than 7 teams.

 

So they’d go for a deal of Huerter + our 6th pick for Wiggins + their 2nd pick?

not that Schlenk would do that cause we’d have to eat Wiggins bad contract I’m just wondering if that’s what you mean with that statement that they really want fit for less money. If that is the case they will probably find it easily 

[thecampster]

6 hours ago, JTB said:

So they’d go for a deal of Huerter + our 6th pick for Wiggins + their 2nd pick?

not that Schlenk would do that cause we’d have to eat Wiggins bad contract I’m just wondering if that’s what you mean with that statement that they really want fit for less money. If that is the case they will probably find it easily 

I don't think huerter gets that done but yes, they are looking for something like that.

[NBASupes]

2 hours ago, thecampster said:

I don't think huerter gets that done but yes, they are looking for something like that.

Finding the right cheaper big wing is hard as hell. Hardly any is on the market outside of Gordon and they are targeting Ball, not anyone else. I don't know how GS can find that deal. 

[Jdawgflow]

On 9/8/2020 at 10:45 PM, JTB said:

Is it not supposed to be in home court??? I had trouble finding it the othe day when supes said he had an update 

My understanding is that it was moved to the Senior Forum due to people from other boards copy and pasting and potentially getting Supes or Campster in trouble with their sources.  

[JayBirdHawk]

41 minutes ago, NBASupes said:

Finding the right cheaper big wing is hard as hell. Hardly any is on the market outside of Gordon and they are targeting Ball, not anyone else. I don't know how GS can find that deal. 

Aaron Gordon from the Magic?  Smaller, shorter contract thsn Wiggins?

Wiggins and #2 for Gordon and #15? But does Orlando want Wiggins.

[NBASupes]

21 minutes ago, JayBirdHawk said:

Aaron Gordon from the Magic?  Smaller, shorter contract thsn Wiggins?

Wiggins and #2 for Gordon and #15? But does Orlando want Wiggins.

Exactly, is Wiggins worth #2 and Gordon is the question. There is little difference between 12 and 15 to me in this draft. Top 11 is where all of the guys are to me who have very good role player potential or more.

[thecampster]

1 hour ago, NBASupes said:

Finding the right cheaper big wing is hard as hell. Hardly any is on the market outside of Gordon and they are targeting Ball, not anyone else. I don't know how GS can find that deal. 

As you've talked about previously, getting a 2021 thrown in probably gets it done on any deal. GS is overvaluing the pick right now considering the cost of picking that high in salary against their already pitiful LT situation.

[AHF]

Wiggins is going to be very costly to move.  Not sure if a #2 in this draft is enough.  I would not even think about Huerter and 6 for Wiggins and 2.  F no.

[thecampster]

1 hour ago, NBASupes said:

Exactly, is Wiggins worth #2 and Gordon is the question. There is little difference between 12 and 15 to me in this draft. Top 11 is where all of the guys are to me who have very good role player potential or more.

Man I don't know on this. It all comes down to flexibility, the new cap/LT etc. The way I'm looking at it, they don't have any way of getting under the LT without dropping a net 15 million in Salary. Their practical cap number right now is $145 million + the pick and they'll need to add 3-5 players and the new LT will be around $130 million. If they make the judgement call they have to just dump Wiggins, they aren't holding any cards except that #2 pick. Plus the pick has a pretty big cap hit by itself. It comes down to do you want to keep Curry, Thompson, Green together or remake it. Wiggins may have to just be dumped to get any flexibility.

[thecampster]

Okay so financially speaking for both clubs, if it was the Hawks, the only player making any sense would be Dedmon.

Basically, Dedmon out + 6 for Wiggins +2 would be a net salary change for GS of $19 million this year. But a net change of $19 million year one and $28 million year 2 for Atlanta of Wiggins and the new rookie.

If the Hawks did this kind of a deal, I would think it would require GS sending other (heavily protected) considerations and would mean Atlanta would be taking Wiseman, another center or would have one lined up in free agency.

So if you're the Hawks, you'd do it to move up to Wiseman but would lose a great deal of flexibility for the resign of Collins.

 

I'm not saying either team would do this but to meet the necessary financial considerations GS would be looking for, it would look something like the above.

Edited September 15, 2020 by thecampster

[AHF]

2 minutes ago, thecampster said:

Okay so financially speaking for both clubs, if it was the Hawks, they only player making any sense would be Dedmon.

Basically, Dedmon out + 6 for Wiggins +2 would be a net salary change for GS of $19 million this year. But a net change of $19 million year one and $28 million for Atlanta year 2 of Wiggins and the new rookie.

If the Hawks did this kind of a deal, I would think it would require GS sending other (heavily protected) considerations and would mean Atlanta would be taking Wiseman, another center or would have one lined up in free agency.

So if you're the Hawks, you'd do it to move up to Wiseman but would lose a great deal of flexibility for the resign of Collins.

 

I'm not saying either team would do this but to meet the necessary financial considerations GS would be looking for, it would look something like the above.

That would be a very good deal.

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For Golden State.

Obviously money drives that type of transaction but even just from a basketball perspective I think you can't have Wiggins tying up the minutes and shots that he takes with Curry and Thompson back.  They will be a better team with more limited backups.