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[JayBirdHawk]

2 minutes ago, NBASupes said:

Hell yeah. I love it. It's a win now move but it has long term potential as well. I am against all win now moves that have a contract issue (rental) or two year deals. I like the fact that everyone we got but the rookie deal guys have long term deals. To me, it makes the Hayward move more sensible as well and gives us insane athletic ability and length overall as a team. I am pretty sure, this site will be mixed in terms of the reaction to it but hey, that's normal. . 

I'm also against this.  Need players that can grow with Trae instead of too much roster turnover.

[Peoriabird]

4 minutes ago, NBASupes said:

Hell yeah. I love it. It's a win now move but it has long term potential as well.

We'll miss you John!

[NBASupes]

1 minute ago, JayBirdHawk said:

I'm also against this.  Need players that can grow with Trae instead of too much roster turnover.

Exactly, we need a team that has it's core in place and the young players who can grow within it. 

[NBASupes]

Part 3

NBA Draft 2020

MIN has been aggressively trying to move down while over aggressively wanting to get the most for their buck. They have made it clear they want a future 2021 1st from a team they think will be a lottery team next year and yes, Atlanta is one of them. No one has bit. That may change. They really want in for 2021 but they want a high-quality pick. They are not willing to move back for GS own 2021 1st. The value of the 2021 1st round pick is seen as extremely high.

They are targeting teams they believe will be lottery teams. Ball seems to be the player they are targeting the most mainly due to trade value. There is a chance Ball could be the pick and he would not play a min in MIN.

NEW: This is probably the biggest deal on this list. This is hot off the presser. Jrue Holiday has become the target and there is a lot of interest from New Orleans and MIN. The only thing is Jrue must be willing to sign an extension as soon as he’s eligible which they (the NBA) are working on the date atm.

His extension could be nearing max range which will mean MIN has three max players under contract. The question is, does it make sense for MIN to have three max guys and still you have questions if this is a playoff team. There is a lot more to this potential deal than what I currently have so keep a look out for this deal.

This also highlights what I been hearing from NO of them looking for PG’s and seeing Lonzo Ball as a quick passing guard like Haliburton is getting seen as. Lonzo is Melo ying to Melo’s yang. This is big news.

GS has been doing the same as MIN but a lot more open to pick swap and higher end young player than MIN. GS is really pushing for a deal with CHI, CLE, DET, and ATL. CHI just lacks all interest as does CLE. As I’ve mention, the name that has been mention has been Kevin Huerter. For CLE, Collin Sexton and from CHI, Lauri M and L. Kennard from DET. If they stay, they could go in so many directions. Wiseman is NOT a lock is what I just recently got.

NEW:
 

GS knows three things right now is what he directly got for GS.

1.      The talent in this draft is very good even if the players are not there yet or even close.

2.      No one in this draft will start next year for them.

3.      The biggest need is depth, and their biggest issue is salary.

As mentioned already, they are targeted trading back to add depth, but they do like the talent @2 if they cannot get the players they covet. Golden State likes Ball, Wiseman, Deni, and Edwards the most. They also like Haliburton, Hayes, Bey, Toppin, and Okongwu. He told me today to not be surprised if GS moved back twice as he feels GS been extremely aggressive even more of late for the draft. GS only position where they like their depth in at PF. There is a lot of interest in a trade down with both ATL and DET. Especially ATL due to Kevin Huerter contract (2 years – rookie deal).

CHA has been the most likely of the top 5 teams to keep their pick but even they are looking at all options. If Wiseman is here, expect him to be the pick but Okongwu and Toppin also have a case.

NEW: The presumption is Wiseman will be the pick. There has been talk of Okongwu being the pick over Ball, but he thinks that’s smoke. Okongwu has been making major inroads to the point he is the top guy on DET board now.  

CHI is the team that MOST wants to move down between the 6-9 range and have been in talks with NY, WAS, ATL, and DET to move down on salary relief. It is clear they want a PG more than anything but would consider more than anything.

NEW: He basically said he is hearing that Hayes or Haliburton is the choice here. Especially Hali if they want to start either with LaVine or White. He also said this could be Okongwu trade lane if you are willing to pay a major premium (14th overall pick swap, #26, with a lottery protected Boston 2021 1st).  Atlanta has not been open to moving up to #4 for the price CHI wants.

CLE is fine with staying at 5 as they are down to three players: Deni, Okoro, Vassell are all players they are targeting. The lean here is Deni from what is being said but there is serious interest in Okoro as well. That opens the door for trades if they can get one that sensible. Cleveland wants to be aggressive this year in FA which is unusual for a rebuilding team. They are target resigning and they want extend Drummond.

ATL is the main chess piece on the board due to them not having any major needs while having a win now mindset but wanting to get the best player long term. Within the org, you got some that want Atlanta to move up to get Ball, Edwards, and even some for Wiseman.

You also have those who want Atlanta to trade back and add a quality rotational vet and a pick swap. No key player is available for #6 that is not a rental and Atlanta does not want a rental for this pick, which is different than a month ago, but Gordon Hayward was not in the picture back then. Because of Hayward, Atlanta could go any direction in this draft. Up, Down, or Stay. If they stay: Hayes, Deni, Obi, Okongwu, and Okoro are the targets. Due to Hayward, I personally think moving up might be their move.

NEW: Okongwu seems to be slipping but the others seem to be the targets at #6. If anyone is starting to get more of a late push, it is Killian Hayes. When there is such a wide net that is cast so close to the draft, that usually means this team is prime to move down. In this case, Atlanta could go any direction. This is another Okongwu trade zone with a cheaper cost than #4. There is a good chance we do not know who the final team at this spot is like #4 last year.

DET is targeting PGs but Ball is their top guy. They really are not interested in the cost to move up for him from MIN and would rather move a key young player and pick swap for Ball aka GS. They also love Wiseman as well. Okongwu is also on their board. They are looking at a lot of things for trades but moving down is not that high unless all their guys are gone. If there is a team that is willing to move up to 1st overall, it is Detroit, but the price might be too steep.

NEW: Okongwu is their top guy right now. After that, PGs like Lewis Jr, Hayes, and Haliburton are in the convo. DET is a team that could be on the move up. Especially considering #6 could be Okongwu land after trades.

NY really does not mind moving up to eat salary, but they are not interested in trading picks. They want to keep #27 and they want to keep all their future 1st rounders.

NEW: NY is a difficult read. So many guys appear on their radar like Williams, Maxey, and others while the typical guys who are already in this range are also here. Remember what I said about a wide casted net. He said to me, he does not know what NY is going to do at all. This could be a trade up spot for a PG of your choice depending on the actions of others. Many have locked them into Obi Toppin, but I would not be too sure to do that either. Thibs is going to take the best Thibs player. Personally speaking, I think Vassell will be the pick. He is the most Thibs player in this draft aside from Okoro.

WAS is all in on Okongwu. They have even made a solid offer to Atlanta where we would get Troy Brown Jr. and a 2nd rounder. This has been considered very appealing to Atlanta depending how the board falls. If they do not land Okongwu, expect this to be a trade back hot spot. There are still players on the board teams are targeting where moving up will be extremely intriguing.

PHX is hoping Killian Hayes drops to them but if he does not, Kira Lewis Jr. could be the pick at this spot. PHX is clearly looking at PGs. It was assumed they were all in for FVV, but it seems like the interest has dampened as well as their interest in moving Oubre.

 

My top 10 mock without trades:

1.      MIN – Ball

2.      GS – Wiseman

3.      CHA – Edwards

4.      CHI – Haliburton

5.      CLE – Deni

6.      ATL – Toppin

7.      DET – Okongwu

8.      NYK – Vassell

9.      WAS – Achiuwa

10.   PHX – Hayes

 

My top 10 mock with trades:

1.      MIN (NO) – Ball – Holiday for Ball and salary filler.

2.      GS (ATL) – Edwards – Huerter and 6 for #2.

3.      CHA – Wiseman

4.      CHI – Haliburton

5.      CLE – Deni

6.      ATL (WAS) – Okongwu – Troy Brown Jr., #9, #37 for 6

7.      DET – Hayes

8.      NYK – Okoro

9.      WAS (GS) – Toppin

10.   PHX – Kira Lewis Jr.

Edited November 8, 2020 by NBASupes

[JayBirdHawk]

25 minutes ago, marco102 said:

Why are y'all concentrating on the trade?  It seems like the Gordon Heyward deal is the closest thing to actually happening. I don't understand that three team trade.  It won't involve any of the core pieces. Like why the hell would we give up JC or any siginifcant piece for a backup point guard.  If we are not talking Malcom Brogdon, I don't even want to talk about the trade. 

I'm not saying trade JC for Malcolm Brogdon...just that if we are doing a three team trade and moving back in the draft and getting MB, I'm okay with it.

?

Why, why you ask?  Because he said a mega trade. There are 3 trade possibilties:

1. #6 and Huerter for #2

2. Capspace for Hayward (we know we aren't sending out any assets)

3. A 3 teamer involving Dedmon, Oladipo and many other moving parts - because we don't know all the parts, we want to know, so it's a guessing game, lol

[RedDawg#8]

3 minutes ago, marco102 said:

I hope those two players are like the end of the bench guys.  If this trade happens, do you see the Hawks being significantly better? 

The writing appears to be on the wall who is being moved, the only thing left to see is who we will be bringing in. Seems like we will add some talent. The key is how do we actually feel about it as fans, because we are losing players with sentimental value likely

[bleachkit]

4 minutes ago, Peoriabird said:

We'll miss you John!

We're trading JC? 

[NBASupes]

2 minutes ago, JayBirdHawk said:

Why, why you ask?  Because he said a mega trade. There are 3 trade possibilties:

1. #6 and Huerter for #2

2. Capspace for Hayward (we know we aren't sending out any assets)

3. A 3 teamer involving Dedmon, Oladipo and many other moving parts - because we don't know all the parts, we want to know, so it's a guessing game, lol

FYI: #2 would kill #3. #2 will be a free agent signing or it will not happen. 

[Peoriabird]

Just now, bleachkit said:

We're trading JC? 

If Supes likes the trade possibly!

[bleachkit]

1 minute ago, Peoriabird said:

If Supes likes the trade possibly!

I'll reserve judgement until I see the full details. I'm feeling bearing so far if JC is involved.

[JayBirdHawk]

5 minutes ago, NBASupes said:

FYI: #2 would kill #3. #2 will be a free agent signing or it will not happen. 

That's interesting! But when i said Capspace - we'd still need capspace to sign him as a FA.

[mrhonline]

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Due to Hayward, I personally think moving up might be their move.

Was thinking about this today. If you sign Gordon, you don't really have a lot of places for a young guy to get good minutes on the wings. I'd go for best potential in that case.

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They have even made a solid offer to Atlanta where we would get Troy Brown Jr. and a 2nd rounder. 

Is a solid offer and would make it a tad easier to trade Huerter...

[NBASupes]

Just now, mrhonline said:

Was thinking about this today. If you sign Gordon, you don't really have a lot of places for a young guy to get good minutes on the wings. I'd go for best potential in that case.

Is a solid offer and would make it a tad easier to trade Huerter...

Huerter would remain a Hawk if this trade was made. 

[JayBirdHawk]

1 minute ago, mrhonline said:

Was thinking about this today. If you sign Gordon, you don't really have a lot of places for a young guy to get good minutes on the wings. I'd go for best potential in that case.

Is a solid offer and would make it a tad easier to trade Huerter...

But #6 would be going to Wiz and not to GSW for #2, so Huerter stays

[marco102]

1 minute ago, NBASupes said:

Huerter would remain a Hawk if this trade was made. 

Trade #3? With the three teams involved?

It seems if you get GH, it would be better to stay at 6 and just draft Killian.

[RedDawg#8]

Just now, NBASupes said:

Huerter would remain a Hawk if this trade was made. 

So... its:

#1 + #2, Or #3 only. Basically, #3 only happens if #1 + #2 dont happen 

[mrhonline]

4 minutes ago, NBASupes said:

Huerter would remain a Hawk if this trade was made. 

Wasn't referencing that so much as the financial difficulty looming down the road. As you know, Huerter is one of the Hawks more expendable trade assets.

[NBASupes]

I am confused. Here it is: 

Washington has made an offer to Atlanta for the #6 overall pick: Troy Brown Jr., #9, #37 for 6 

The idea is that Okongwu is the target. 

Atlanta is not the only team that received that offer but they are the one that actually liked it. Cleveland locked in their guys and Chicago wants salary relief which Washington can't provide. That doesn't mean we will do it. Just putting it out there. 

[NBASupes]

1 minute ago, mrhonline said:

Wasn't referencing that so much as the financial difficulty looming down the road. As you know, Huerter is one of the Hawks more expendable trade assets.

Atlanta will never trade ANYONE for financial difficulties with this ownership group. Tony is ALL IN. Like extremely IN. This is not ASG or Liberty. 

[mrhonline]

Just now, NBASupes said:

Atlanta will never trade ANYONE for financial difficulties with this ownership group. Tony is ALL IN. Like extremely IN. This is not ASG or Liberty. 

Believe that when I see it. 

Two years out at a minimum, though.