NBASupes Posted December 8, 2020 Report Share Posted December 8, 2020 Just now, kg01 said: Harden produces numbers, not wins. That's the problem and why, as @NBASupes suggests, his value is much lower than expected. He produces wins about as much as anyone who's played this game but he's a tough fit for teams trying to win a title and his best value is exclusively on the ball as the scorer + playmaker and doesn't offer elite defense to counter his flaws. That's why teams don't see trading key players to be good as Harden wants to win a title and you will need two stars with him to do that, not just one. The offers were better around the draft to be honest but Houston felt 20/1.00 was BS. Now they are at 10/1.00. Good luck 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bleachkit Posted December 8, 2020 Report Share Posted December 8, 2020 Harden is not a guy like Durant that any team could use. Finding a trade partner might be challenging. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NBASupes Posted December 8, 2020 Report Share Posted December 8, 2020 8 minutes ago, bleachkit said: Harden is not a guy like Durant that any team could use. Finding a trade partner might be challenging. Its beyond difficult due to his fit and lifestyle choices. Only 6 teams are on his list for trades His favorite team where he wants to go: Los Angeles Clippers His 2nd favorite: Philadelphia 3rd: Golden State 4th: Boston 5th and 6th are teams who haven't or can't make an offer: Brooklyn and the Lakers. Houston is unwilling to work with LAC. Philly is unwilling to trade Joel and Ben Golden State is unwilling to trade the big 3 and Wiseman. James only wants to play in Boston if Jaylen and Jayson are there. Kemba can scram but there is no real trade interest in Kemba around the league. Brooklyn doesn't have interest which was the opposite of what I heard in the past but he doubled down on it when we talked this morning. Lakers haven't even called for Harden, lol. They are basically a name just to show. Obviously a random team can make an offer but what's stopping James from doing them like Houston? Nothing. Golden State has the best offer but it's not as good as it was going to be during the draft. Like not even half as good. Houston f***ed that one up thinking we deserve the moon for Harden. Now they aren't going to get the stars either. Harris and Walker are not positive values. Wiggins is a negative value. Houston refuses to work with the Clippers. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gurpilo Posted December 8, 2020 Report Share Posted December 8, 2020 Harden might be tough to fit with but if you surround him with a good defensive PG, some shooters, and two good defensive bigs you have a championship team. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators macdaddy Posted December 8, 2020 Moderators Report Share Posted December 8, 2020 Just can't see why Philly and to a lesser extent Golden State aren't motivated. Philly aint' winning crap with their current medium-3 and with Klay out again how is GS getting by the Lakers or even clips or nuggets? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bleachkit Posted December 8, 2020 Report Share Posted December 8, 2020 NBA is weird. Teams will commit 30 mil per for B level stars, but an A level star can be virtually untradable. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NBASupes Posted December 8, 2020 Report Share Posted December 8, 2020 59 minutes ago, bleachkit said: NBA is weird. Teams will commit 30 mil per for B level stars, but an A level star can be virtually untradable. Willingness to play for you compared to a lack of willingness to play for you makes a massive difference. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Premium Member Atlantaholic Posted December 10, 2020 Premium Member Report Share Posted December 10, 2020 On 12/8/2020 at 3:11 PM, bleachkit said: NBA is weird. Teams will commit 30 mil per for B level stars, but an A level star can be virtually untradable. Yea, those B level players don't clash with teammate and coaches, and then pout and demand a trade the minute the team starts falling out of championship contention. Today's NBA top stars are over privileged and pampered babies, and they run the league. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Popular Post macdaddy Posted December 10, 2020 Moderators Popular Post Report Share Posted December 10, 2020 17 hours ago, JayBirdHawk said: SVG lobbied hard for this change 1 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bleachkit Posted December 10, 2020 Report Share Posted December 10, 2020 45 minutes ago, macdaddy said: SVG lobbied hard for this change The suit and tie does look a bit too formal perhaps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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kg01 Posted December 10, 2020 Report Share Posted December 10, 2020 2 hours ago, macdaddy said: SVG lobbied hard for this change What's the backstory behind that photo? Do I even wanna know? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bleachkit Posted December 10, 2020 Report Share Posted December 10, 2020 10 minutes ago, kg01 said: What's the backstory behind that photo? Do I even wanna know? Charity bike ride. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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