The official NBASupes 2021 NBA Draft thread

[terrell]

15 minutes ago, RandomFan said:

One will obviously be a Camborghini, the other can just be a Camry 

Nate played Lou...and he did it because Lou could fill up the bucket. Don't be so quick to make assumptions. 

I would add Chris Duarte to the list of immediate contributors, but I think most expect he'll be gone before 20. But if he falls then he would also fit our timeline. 

Nate had no choice but to play Lou.lol..And Im talking about the draft..We got Lou in a trade..I said imo anyway..smh

Edited July 27, 2021 by terrell

[RandomFan]

1 hour ago, Spud2nique said:

Funny you or Walker mentioned Cam Thomas as I’ve been studying him for a bit. I didn’t know he was oak hill’s all time leader in points which is pretty huge. This dude can flat out score and on three levels, he seems to get to the line as well with a NBA body already which is great.

The part of his game that I didn’t love was his defense and his passing. Now granted we have a ton of defenders in Reddish, Hunter, Okongwu and others, should we care that he would be unable to defend on the second unit as much?

Reminds me of Jordan Clarkson in so much that he will be a bucket getter. At #20 you could do a lot worse. I love shooting for sure and he’s got that but I also like someone to be able to pass a bit too.

Thoughts on Cam?

 

Cam is my guy and I've been saying that for a minute now. He is my #1 want if he's still there at 20, by far. Coming into the NBA players need to have at least 1 elite skill they can hang their hat on early, and then develop other parts of their game in future seasons. Thomas is already an elite scorer at all 3 levels, like you said. He would be a direct replacement for what Lou was giving us last year, but in a slightly bigger body, and a much younger, cheaper body. 

Who knows if he can actually play defense or not, or pass the ball if asked? I know under Nate he would definitely be asked to do those things so we'd find out in a hurry. My hope would be if he's playing less minutes and shouldering less of the offensive burden by coming off the bench for around 15 MPG that he could focus more of his energy on defense than he has been asked to do so far. Maybe he can actually defend and we just don't know it yet? 

But even if he's never more than what he's shown, his elite scoring is worthy of a #20 selection. Lou has played until he's 36 years old and made a lot of money doing exactly what Cam Thomas is elite at. And I'd like to point out that Thomas would get along with Trae like peas and carrots. Cam is in the same mold of ridiculous confidence that Trae has. He's never met a shot he didn't think he could hit. Not that our Hawks are lacking in confidence, but we could always use more of that on this roster. 

 

 

Edited July 27, 2021 by RandomFan

[Spud2nique]

34 minutes ago, RandomFan said:

Coming into the NBA players need to have at least 1 elite skill they can hang their hat on early,

Ya I like the way he beats his man off the dribble at his own pace, very under control and methodical and perfect for a 2nd unit guy. Yup that one skill and it’s putting it in the basket like Lou.

 

35 minutes ago, RandomFan said:

cheaper body. 

We need this cheap thing lol if we keeping our guys on the roster.

 

36 minutes ago, RandomFan said:

elite scoring is worthy of a #20 selection.

Yup. Anywhere after the lottery, you have to understand you gotta go value a bit and he’s that.

 

Not sure if he’s my #1 guy at #20 but I think he end up in my top 3 for this draft.

 

Last year I had:

1. Okongwu - Just a defensive force and an overall dude with a high BBIQ and explosiveness with strength.

2. Haliburton (that was pushed on by all the material and praise by Gramps he loves that kid and rightfully so.)

3.Isaac Okoro (Kg and Bird’s boy, a force specially on that D he’s a beast.)

[FL_BRYANT]

How quick we forget that we got beat to death in the paint during the playoffs. It was so bad we didn't even have a hard foul! I know there are no bigs at the 20th pick  i get that. There are plenty of guards and wings of similar talent so that need will be filled. But we better find somebody bigger than 6ft 8 or a skinny 6ft10 to go to battle with in the playoffs or we'll be coming home licking our wounds again. I don't care how or where we find some size we better find it or teams will always look at us as a soft team that they can beat by being pphysical. If we had some interior defense this year we beat the bucks and had a great chance of winning it all.

Ps. Sign Lou Williams or get someone who can get buckets. He showed how much we needed someone to fill that role. Scoring is a talent very few people have. 

GO HAWKS!!!

[RandomFan]

Tell me you don't understand perimeter defense without telling me you don't understand perimeter defense. 

[Spud2nique]

Here are my top prospects in order:

 

1. Trey Murphy III- He passes the eye test for me. Gets after it on both ends and has a sweet stroke from deep. This cat is a perfect fit with Trae, he’s the pick n pop threat. He’s got a nice feel for the game.

2. Jared Butler- Winner and flat out shooter and baller. Combo guard that knows his role and can do a bit of everything and do it really well. I love the defense and the number one attribute is that beautiful stroke. 

3. Chris Duarte- I like his size, hustle, game on both ends, his desire and unselfishness and his upbringing to get here. He’s ready to roll. 

4. Cam Thomas- Flat out can score and his game is built for the NBA. NBA body with craftiness on how to use it. When he gets hot, he gets hot. Oak Hill all time scoring leader. That says a lot. Professional scorer.

5. Jaden Springer- This kid moves his feet on D really well, stays with his man throughout the play. Very centered both offensively and defensively. Plays a slower pace, the slo mo of this draft’s point guards if you will.

6. Tre Mann- 3 level scorer, confidence is high. He’s got a great outside shot and some nice floaters. Tre would groom his game behind Trae.

The order can change with these 6 but these are my 6 guys from this draft. Hopefully we can get one of them.

I left out 2 guys that were close to making the cut.

Usman Garuba- Interesting and love him on D, probably one of the best in the draft, he’s like a Reggie Evans with really good defense and flailing his body around. I hate the fact that he can’t shoot though. 
 

Alperen Sengun- I like his fundamental post game and he’s got a little passing craftiness. A bit stiff but old school on the block is nice.

[KB21]

The two best fits for the Hawks when you take into account the traits that Travis Schlenk has tended towards drafting during his tenure in Atlanta, and the traits that Nate McMillan likely wants from a defensive standpoint are Chris Duarte and Jared Butler.  Of the two, Butler is the most likely to be there.  It seems Duarte has pushed himself into the late lottery, so it's unlikely he drops past the middle portion of the first round.  I think these two have the best combination of shooting ability, both off the dribble and off the catch, passing vision and instincts, and overall desire and athleticism to play defense.  

I think the next best fit is probably Tre Mann, who has a four level scorer who can shoot both off the dribble and off the catch and is a good passer, but he's not a great athlete.  There are players who are not as well rounded as he is who are better athletes, but they don't bring his skill level to the table.  

Trey Murphy is likely right there with Mann in this tier.  I love length and ability to shoot off the catch.  I'm not sure how much ability he has to self create.  His handle is a little loose, but he's also not asked to do that at Virginia in Tony Bennett's offense.  He's not a very good passer right now.  

Corey Kispert is probably your best catch and shoot specialist option, but his game is lacking in other areas.  His feel for the game will allow him to overcome some athletic limitations and handle limitations.

Cam Thomas is a mix bag.  He's got the best scoring instincts of anyone on this list, and his range starts when he walks into the gym.  He's an inefficient scorer though because he has that singular mindset and is prone to taking bad shots.  Defensively, he's just outright terrible, and I think that would be a big issue with Nate.  However, Lou Williams is a similar player and got big minutes for Nate.

Jaden Springer and Keon Johnson are two who I'm just not sure if they shoot it well enough to play in Atlanta.  

[Gray Mule]

From what I can learn, Jared Butler, if he survives the first 19 picks, may well become the Hawks pick.  He's had some health question that has apparently been cleared up.  This alone might be enough to delay his selection.  Since our desire to improve our back up PG, this sounds like a great solution.

Will he still be there?  If so, do we draft him?

[gurpilo]

I think the best fit for our roster is Butler and Springer, they fit our Game, timeline and position need.

I am also intrigued about Murphy and Garuba.

I lost interest in Mann and Dosunmu.

For 2nd round I really think we are going to have a chance at Dayron Sharpe, Quetah, Bassley, Brown or Petrusev.

[RandomFan]

Good article with some different questions than usual. 

https://www.prospectiveinsight.com/post/draft-mailbag

[Spud2nique]

VIV IS ALLLIIIVE!!!

 

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[Spud2nique]

12 hours ago, Spud2nique said:

 

1. Trey Murphy III- He passes the eye test for me. Gets after it on both ends and has a sweet stroke from deep. This cat is a perfect fit with Trae, he’s the pick n pop threat. He’s got a nice feel for the game.

 

.  To be fair, Murphy won’t be there at 20, but he is the best player out of the bunch.

[lynred]

Honestly, if Cam Thomas or Bones Hyland are available @ 20, the Hawks should run to the podium. In addition to backup PG and a big center, if anything, this post season demonstrated that the Hawks could use a microwave scorer on the 2nd unit - especially someone who can iso and get to his spot to knock down shots in the half court when the offense bogs down late in the shot clock.  I love Lou Will and maybe he returns for another season, but either Cam or Bones would be a young and cheap replacement to groom. I know defense is a problem right now for Cam (as it is for most rookies), however, I would imagine that the D would improve with experience and Nate's tutelage. What is obvious is that he has a very skilled offensive tool set consisting of hesi pull-ups and step-backs (albeit a little inefficient at the moment) and could potentially be an elite scorer off the bench.

 

 

[Spud2nique]

1 minute ago, lynred said:

Honestly, if Cam Thomas or Bones Hyland are available @ 20, the Hawks should run to the podium. In addition to backup PG and a big center, if anything, this post season demonstrated that the Hawks could use a microwave scorer on the 2nd unit - especially someone who can iso and get to his spot to knock down shots in the half court when the offense bogs down late in the shot clock.  I love Lou Will and maybe he returns for another season, but either Cam or Bones would be a young and cheap replacement to groom. I know defense is a problem right now for Cam (as it is for most rookies), however, I would imagine that the D would improve with experience and Nate's tutelage. What is obvious is that he has a very skilled offensive tool set consisting of hesi pull-ups and step-backs (albeit a little inefficient at the moment) and could potentially be an elite scorer off the bench.

 

 

I got Jared Butler a notch above. Butler’s stroke is a bit nicer but this guy might have one of the best NBA bodies around. Both him and Butler built nice exterior wise.

[Spud2nique]

Duarte gives me Draymond vibes. I know for a fact Draymond is telling management to swing #7, Wiggins, Wiseman for a player but draft this kid at #14. His confidence is high and his hustle is hard. The age thing matters less for us and I think less overall in the landscape of the league, I could be wrong. This kid might make an all rookie team right away.

For the inquiries about his age ― and, by extension, the negative connotations that accompany being the oldest first-round prospect of his class ― Chris Duarte has an emphatic answer. “I’m 24 years old and my response is, if you want to win right now, go ahead and take me,” Duarte said Tuesday. “If you want to win six or eight years later, goahead and draft an 18-year-old kid and develop him.”

 

He’s got us tomorrow I think.

Stefan Bondy: Chris Duarte says he worked out with the Knicks, Warriors, San Antonio, Charlotte, Washington and OKC.

 

– via Twitter SBondyNYDN

We working out Duarte and Springer right before the draft.

[kg01]

13 minutes ago, Spud2nique said:

 

Duarte gives me Draymond vibes. I know for a fact Draymond is telling management to swing #7, Wiggins, Wiseman for a player but draft this kid at #14. His confidence is high and his hustle is hard. The age thing matters less for us and I think less overall in the landscape of the league, I could be wrong. This kid might make an all rookie team right away.

For the inquiries about his age ― and, by extension, the negative connotations that accompany being the oldest first-round prospect of his class ― Chris Duarte has an emphatic answer. “I’m 24 years old and my response is, if you want to win right now, go ahead and take me,” Duarte said Tuesday. “If you want to win six or eight years later, goahead and draft an 18-year-old kid and develop him.”

 

 

He’s got us tomorrow I think.

Stefan Bondy: Chris Duarte says he worked out with the Knicks, Warriors, San Antonio, Charlotte, Washington and OKC.

 

– via Twitter SBondyNYDN

We working out Duarte and Springer right before the draft.

Fran Frashilla interviewed him on Nbaradio.  It was great.  Guy's english wasn't great, but he was so refreshing in his honesty.

His road to the game is vastly different, in a good way.

[Spud2nique]

27 minutes ago, kg01 said:

Fran Frashilla interviewed him on Nbaradio.  It was great.  Guy's english wasn't great, but he was so refreshing in his honesty.

His road to the game is vastly different, in a good way.

Ya this kid is a rider I’d put $ on him to do well.

[kg01]

Somebody talk to me about Day'ron Sharpe.

My sources, aka Fran Fraschilla, say he's moving up boards.  Does big-man things already but has gotten into shape and has expanded his game.

[NBASupes]

12 minutes ago, kg01 said:

Somebody talk to me about Day'ron Sharpe.

My sources, aka Fran Fraschilla, say he's moving up boards.  Does big-man things already but has gotten into shape and has expanded his game.

He fits what the NBA needs from a modern big today. Legit center size, can pass, move without the ball, get steals and play team d, rebound, and play hard. 

[kg01]

35 minutes ago, NBASupes said:

He fits what the NBA needs from a modern big today. Legit center size, can pass, move without the ball, get steals and play team d, rebound, and play hard. 

That's what my source said.  I hope we worked him out.