CAM REDDISH TO NY FOR KEVIN KNOX AND FIRST!?!

[JayBirdHawk]

3 minutes ago, Sothron said:

What are we getting with the AT BEST 19th pick in the draft? Another rookie that Nate refuses to play?

I would be ok with a JC or Huerter value at #19.

[Atlantaholic]

Just now, DS5 said:

Come on man, this is a stretch. Whether you think Cam will reach his potential or not, you can’t argue that one has actual potential while the other will likely be out of the league in a couple of years. 

Biggest thing here is that regardless of potential, Cam is hands down the better player today. I would have been OK with a trade  for a vet wing that we at least knows can provide some quality minutes. like Covington or similar. Knox is nothing.

[mrhonline]

2 minutes ago, bleachkit said:

Are we tanking now?  Bragging about cap space.

Is that really how you interpreted that?

[marco102]

2 minutes ago, aali34 said:

I don't know how I feel about Ben. He is a huge difference maker, but he's softer than jelly and got a worse jumper than me.

If he is the guy, were gonna be walking on eggshells after any poor performance. 

People have huge questions about a lot very good players.  

Don't be fooled by Ben Simmons in the playoffs, he is a NBA Allstar.  You get those players when you have the opportunity.  Look at what Demar has done with Chicago and everyone wrote him off.  Talented players in the right situation will show their talents.  Now, is Atlanta the right situation? Shrugs.

[txsting]

2 minutes ago, marco102 said:

So you don't think any other trades are coming? After the season potentially when we have the number 1 pick? 

Good point that our own pick has increased tremendously in value in the last few weeks.

[Atlantaholic]

1 minute ago, JayBirdHawk said:

I would be ok with a JC or Huerter value at #19.

Even if we get that type of value those players took three years to be develop into valueable pieces. Shouldn't we be trying to get back into contention with a wide open east a few months after making a ECF run??

[JayBirdHawk]

2 minutes ago, Atlantaholic said:

Amen

People are not understanding. I 100% concede this is obviously the most attractive Cam trade ATM. No one is suggesting Travis is taking a worse trade than is currently available. But if this is the best trade atm, why make it? What is the urgency????

Maybe fix the locker room dynamic (if there is an issue)?

[mrhonline]

4 minutes ago, Atlantaholic said:

Amen

People are not understanding. I 100% concede this is obviously the most attractive Cam trade ATM. No one is suggesting Travis is taking a worse trade than is currently available. But if this is the best trade atm, why make it? What is the urgency????

Value typically declines for most guys as you pass the 3rd summer. IOW, unless Cam just exploded, his value wasn't getting higher.

In fact, you can see how much it went down from the draft...

[Atlantaholic]

1 minute ago, marco102 said:

People have huge questions about a lot very good players.  

Don't be fooled by Ben Simmons in the playoffs, he is a NBA Allstar.  You get those players when you have the opportunity.  Look at what Demar has done with Chicago and everyone wrote him off.  Talented players in the right situation will show their talents.  Now, is Atlanta the right situation? Shrugs.

He is an All-Star (ish) player making All-NBA franchise player money.

[NBASupes]

4 minutes ago, DS5 said:

Come on man, this is a stretch. Whether you think Cam will reach his potential or not, you can’t argue that one has actual potential while the other will likely be out of the league in a couple of years. 

I can tell @thecampster doesn't watch the Knicks. Knox can shoot corner 3s but his offensive and defensive BBIQ is awful. He is always late on rotations. He's a defensive tweener. Knox is a homeless mans Jerami Grant with better shooting. Knox is a min player. If you dislike Jalen for his feel for the game, wait till you get a hold of Knoxy

Edited January 13, 2022 by NBASupes

[Sothron]

2 minutes ago, marco102 said:

So you don't think any other trades are coming? After the season potentially when we have the number 1 pick? 

We could use the Hornets pick plus our own pick and other players in the offseason if not before the trade deadline. I think it is more likely to make a big trade near the draft or at the draft. The extension for Capela really handcuffs us from making a trade for someone like KAT who could fill teh center void left for the other team.

[bleachkit]

2 minutes ago, Atlantaholic said:

Amen

People are not understanding. I 100% concede this is obviously the most attractive Cam trade ATM. No one is suggesting Travis is taking a worse trade than is currently available. But if this is the best trade atm, why make it? What is the urgency????

Well this last week they clearly sat Cam knowing a trade was imminent, so once you do that you have to trade them.

[JeffS17]

5 minutes ago, Atlantaholic said:

Amen

People are not understanding. I 100% concede this is obviously the most attractive Cam trade ATM. No one is suggesting Travis is taking a worse trade than is currently available. But if this is the best trade atm, why make it? What is the urgency????

The value for Cam goes down the closer you get to his RFA.  You don't get anything for letting him walk and as @JayBirdHawk showed, you get almost nothing for sign-and-trades.  The difference between now and that point his value steadily goes down because in RFA teams have to pay him what he's worth.  Right now he's good value on his rookie deal.  I think most people are missing this... 

[Watchman]

5 minutes ago, marco102 said:

So you don't think any other trades are coming? After the season potentially when we have the number 1 pick? 

If we got the #1 pick, Nate would send him down to College Park.

[marco102]

2 minutes ago, Atlantaholic said:

He is an All-Star (ish) player making All-NBA franchise player money.

Rudy Gobert makes more than him.  Ben is paid for his defense and playmaking ability. 

[nathan2331]

1 minute ago, JeffS17 said:

The value for Cam goes down the closer you get to his RFA.  You don't get anything for letting him walk and as @JayBirdHawk showed, you get almost nothing for sign-and-trades.  The difference between now and that point his value steadily goes down because in RFA teams have to pay him what he's worth.  Right now he's good value on his rookie deal.  I think most people are missing this... 

So just keep him then. He can still help us win games. If Hunter goes down, we're stuck playing TLC like a starter.

[Sothron]

6 minutes ago, JayBirdHawk said:

I would be ok with a JC or Huerter value at #19.

So would I but what the odds of that? More importantly why would Nate suddenly play that player? Jalen Johnson was a lottery prospect and can't see the court on a 17-22 team. What would this rookie get? Even less minutes?

[nathan2331]

1 minute ago, marco102 said:

Rudy Gobert makes more than him.  Ben is paid for his defense and playmaking ability. 

His positive attributes are not worth a max deal. Simmons isn't a bum, but he's overpaid for what he's shown he can do.

[Hawkmoor]

34 minutes ago, Diesel said:

Simmons and Capela.. two defensive specialist.  What do you think it's going to take to hide Trae's lack of defense.

Look, we're not built like Memphis.  We don't have a squad full of Dogs that can hide Ja's defensive lack of ability.   However, if we put Hunter, Capela, and Simmons on the floor together we have one of the strongest defenses in the NBA. 

Everybody keeps harping on shooting.  I said last night, Simmons is our draymond.   Draymond is not a great shooter either... and neither is anybody that GS puts at the 5.   However, you never hear anybody harping on the fact that Draymond is out there with another non-shooter.  You know why?  Because he more than makes up for it in Playmaking and defense.   What the hell do you think Simmons will do??

Yall kill me thinking you need a team full of shooters... Well we got that now and you have JC complaining about Role and touches.

We need a playmaker...

I got criticized on this board for starting a thread about getting Steven Adams.  At the time, it was for John Collins.  The point is Adams is one of them dogs that the Hawks needed.  I wanted DeRozan also, and met criticism for that also. 

 

[Atlantaholic]

1 minute ago, marco102 said:

Rudy Gobert makes more than him.  Ben is paid for his defense and playmaking ability. 

Rudy Gobert IS an All-NBA franchise player. twice the player Ben is.