The cobbled together, stuff we held on to during the playoffs mega super rumor and team direction thread.

[Diesel]

7 minutes ago, JayBirdHawk said:

We are not under the cap....we have $146 million in guaranteed contracts including Gallo's $21 million. The salary cap is $122. The Luxury Tax is $149. So we are $3 million under the Luxury Tax (excluding picks and FA capholds).

We are limited by how much we can exceed the Luxury Tax if we are executing SnT deals ( ~$6 mil) which would essentially hard cap the team and limit our use of the exceptions like the MLE.

Yeah, but those number (146) includes Capholds...

As I was saying....  We can move those Capholds to either waive the players or resign them and we will be under the cap...

 

For instance...

Knox's Caphold is 17.5 Million.

That's a 17.5 Million dollar Hit against the Cap.   We resign Knox at 2.5 Million, that takes us to 131 Million.

Lou's caphold is 9.5 Million... We waive Lou, that's 9.5 Million that comes off our Cap... that takes us to 122.5 Million.

Then there's Dieng, TLC - Wave... that's 6.5 More.

Then there's Signing Delon to a 3 yr 29 Million dollar deal...  That's 8.2 More.

 

Point is.. we can make moves to get us to 109 Million in Cap simply by resigning and Waiving and we don't even have to do anything with Gallo Yet. 

I see the trading of Gallo for nothing as being a waste when we can still do the trade without giving him away for nothing. 

 

[Diesel]

7 minutes ago, marco102 said:

We will still not have enough room to sign Ayton using cap space so it'll have to be a third team involved.  I already told you why.  The way the salaries are structured in this trade Atlanta needs to send about $30+ million, but PHX can only take back about $24 million

Check your numbers.

 

[JayBirdHawk]

20 minutes ago, Diesel said:

I don't see why we need a third team.  We can get under the cap enough to afford the trade without doing that. 

 

9 minutes ago, JayBirdHawk said:

We are not under the cap....we have $146 million in guaranteed contracts including Gallo's $21 million. The salary cap is $122. The Luxury Tax is $149. So we are $3 million under the Luxury Tax (excluding picks and FA capholds).

We are limited by how much we can exceed the Luxury Tax if we are executing SnT deals ( ~$6 mil) which would essentially hard cap the team and limit our use of the exceptions like the MLE.

 

2 minutes ago, marco102 said:

We will still not have enough room to sign Ayton using cap space so it'll have to be a third team involved.  I already told you why.  The way the salaries are structured in this trade Atlanta needs to send about $30+ million, but PHX can only take back about $24 million

So trade Gallo into OKC's capspace clearing the Hawks cap sheet of guarantees, Hawks are $125 million. (Again excluding capholds and draft picks)

Hawks send Cap at $19 mill for Ayton at $30 mil. Hawks guarantee now at $136 million. Resign Delon, draft pick plus empty roster charges to stay below the tax to be able to use the MLE on one player or split on 2 players.

[Diesel]

5 minutes ago, marco102 said:

He is the back bone.  Bridges wouldn't be able to do what he does if Ayton doesn't play his role in their scheme.  Generally centers are the backbone of a good defense, unless you have multiple great perimeter defenders.   

Bam is the reason Miami's defense is so good.

Horford and Williams are the reason Boston's defense is so good. 

Just because one thing is true, doesn't make the other thing true. 

Ayton is not the backbone.  He fits in the system.  They have very good defensive players around Ayton.

[Diesel]

1 minute ago, JayBirdHawk said:

 

 

So trade Gallo into OKC's capspace clearing the Hawks cap sheet of guarantees, Hawks are $125 million. (Again excluding capholds and draft picks)

Hawks send Cap at $19 mill for Ayton at $30 mil. Hawks guarantee now at $136 million. Resign Delon, draft pick plus empty roster charges to stay below the tax to be able to use the MLE on one player or split on 2 players.

We need to be on the same page... about Capholds... You say Excluding Capholds... I don't see how.

Here's my reference.

https://fanspo.com/nba/trade-machine

What are you using?

 

[JayBirdHawk]

7 minutes ago, Diesel said:

Yeah, but those number (146) includes Capholds...

As I was saying....  We can move those Capholds to either waive the players or resign them and we will be under the cap...

 

For instance...

Knox's Caphold is 17.5 Million.

That's a 17.5 Million dollar Hit against the Cap.   We resign Knox at 2.5 Million, that takes us to 131 Million.

Lou's caphold is 9.5 Million... We waive Lou, that's 9.5 Million that comes off our Cap... that takes us to 122.5 Million.

Then there's Dieng, TLC - Wave... that's 6.5 More.

Then there's Signing Delon to a 3 yr 29 Million dollar deal...  That's 8.2 More.

 

Point is.. we can make moves to get us to 109 Million in Cap simply by resigning and Waiving and we don't even have to do anything with Gallo Yet. 

I see the trading of Gallo for nothing as being a waste when we can still do the trade without giving him away for nothing. 

 

The $146 is fully guaranteed contracts, not free agents (like Delon and Knox) and their capholds:

PG: Young (36.6)
SG: Huerter(14.5) Bogi (18)
SF: Hunter (9.8)
PF: Collins (23.5), Johnson (2.7), Gallo (5)
C - Capela (19.7), Okongwu (6.3)

TOTAL Guaranteed Salary = $136.1 million 

add an additional $16 mil for Gallo bring the GRAND TOTAL to $152 Million, so we are actually over the $149 luxury tax. (I forgot Trae All NBA money previously).

[JayBirdHawk]

1 minute ago, Diesel said:

We need to be on the same page... about Capholds... You say Excluding Capholds... I don't see how.

Here's my reference.

https://fanspo.com/nba/trade-machine

What are you using?

 

Yes we do. The difference between the guarantees like I listed below vs who we have as free agents. 

[kg01]

50 minutes ago, thecampster said:

IMHO this is just click bait. I've heard nothing.

Speaking of  .....  I just ran across a blurb about OG Anunoby being 'upset' with his role in TOR.  Smells like click bait to me, but I could see someone being a bit miffed considering the ROY plays his position.

Plus Barnes is better than him, as I predicted (pat my back), so his role is likely capped there.

Long story long, trade for that guy.  Blah, blah, blah, blah, blaahhh .. Mmkay, thanks.

Edited May 31, 2022 by kg01

[warcore]

We are not trading for Grant. If Travis wanted him, he could have signed him instead of throwing money at Gallo and Bogi, like I wanted to do. Not giving up assets just because we screwed up 2 years ago. 

[marco102]

7 minutes ago, Diesel said:

Check your numbers.

 

Check yours. 125% rule applies.

[Diesel]

4 minutes ago, JayBirdHawk said:

The $146 is fully guaranteed contracts, not free agents (like Delon and Knox) and their capholds:

PG: Young (36.6)
SG: Huerter(14.5) Bogi (18)
SF: Hunter (9.8)
PF: Collins (23.5), Johnson (2.7), Gallo (5)
C - Capela (19.7), Okongwu (6.3)

TOTAL Guaranteed Salary = $136.1 million 

add an additional $16 mil for Gallo bring the GRAND TOTAL to $152 Million, so we are actually over the $149 luxury tax. (I forgot Trae All NBA money previously).

Player Option

Team Option

Qualifying Offer

Non-Guaranteed

Partially Guaranteed

Player	Age	2022-23	2023-24	2024-25	2025-26	2026-27	Signed Using	Guaranteed	Notes
Trae Young	23	$30.5M	$32.9M	$35.3M	$37.8M	$40.2M	Bird	$176,900,000
John Collins	24	$23.5M	$25.3M	$26.5M	$26.5M		Bird	$75,420,000
Danilo Gallinari	33	$21.4M					Sign And Trade	$21,450,000
Clint Capela	28	$18.2M	$20.6M	$22.2M			Bird	$61,088,177
Bogdan Bogdanovic	29	$18.0M	$18.0M				Cap Space	$18,000,000
Kevin Knox II	22	$7.2M					Rookie	$0
Delon Wright	30							$0
Kevin Huerter	23	$14.5M	$15.6M	$16.8M	$17.9M		Bird	$65,000,000
De'Andre Hunter	24	$9.8M	$12.9M				Rookie	$0
Lou Williams	35							$0
Onyeka Okongwu	21	$6.3M	$8.1M	$10.8M			Rookie	$0
Gorgui Dieng	32							$0
Jalen Johnson	20	$2.7M	$2.9M	$4.5M	$6.4M		Rookie	$2,792,640
Skylar Mays	24	$2.0M					Minimum	$0
Timothe Luwawu-Cabarrot	27							$0
Sharife Cooper	20	$1.5M						$0
Chaundee Brown Jr.	23		$1.6M					$0
Team TotalThe s		$156.0M	$138.2M	$116.3M	$88.8M	$40.2M		$420,650,817

[Diesel]

Based on the payroll, if we are indeed at 145.7 Million in guaranteed and QO deals, then just moving Gallo won't do it.  That will still leave us over the cap. 

 

[marco102]

2 minutes ago, Diesel said:

Player Option

Team Option

Qualifying Offer

Non-Guaranteed

Partially Guaranteed

Player	Age	2022-23	2023-24	2024-25	2025-26	2026-27	Signed Using	Guaranteed	Notes
Trae Young	23	$30.5M	$32.9M	$35.3M	$37.8M	$40.2M	Bird	$176,900,000
John Collins	24	$23.5M	$25.3M	$26.5M	$26.5M		Bird	$75,420,000
Danilo Gallinari	33	$21.4M					Sign And Trade	$21,450,000
Clint Capela	28	$18.2M	$20.6M	$22.2M			Bird	$61,088,177
Bogdan Bogdanovic	29	$18.0M	$18.0M				Cap Space	$18,000,000
Kevin Knox II	22	$7.2M					Rookie	$0
Delon Wright	30							$0
Kevin Huerter	23	$14.5M	$15.6M	$16.8M	$17.9M		Bird	$65,000,000
De'Andre Hunter	24	$9.8M	$12.9M				Rookie	$0
Lou Williams	35							$0
Onyeka Okongwu	21	$6.3M	$8.1M	$10.8M			Rookie	$0
Gorgui Dieng	32							$0
Jalen Johnson	20	$2.7M	$2.9M	$4.5M	$6.4M		Rookie	$2,792,640
Skylar Mays	24	$2.0M					Minimum	$0
Timothe Luwawu-Cabarrot	27							$0
Sharife Cooper	20	$1.5M						$0
Chaundee Brown Jr.	23		$1.6M					$0
Team TotalThe s		$156.0M	$138.2M	$116.3M	$88.8M	$40.2M		$420,650,817

Trae is $36.6 million fanspo has not been updated for his supermax deal.

1 minute ago, Diesel said:

Based on the payroll, if we are indeed at 145.7 Million in guaranteed and QO deals, then just moving Gallo won't do it.  That will still leave us over the cap. 

 

You can still beover the cap.  There is an entire salary cap thread that's pinned by @AHF.  Please go take a read to get a better understanding. 

[JayBirdHawk]

Just now, Diesel said:

Based on the payroll, if we are indeed at 145.7 Million in guaranteed and QO deals, then just moving Gallo won't do it.  That will still leave us over the cap. 

 

1. Your number does not include the additional $6 mil for Trae making All NBA

2. We will always be operating over the Salary cap but want to stay under the Luxury Tax until trades, then go using exceptions

3. Hawks will not offer Knox a $7 mil QO, so strike that

4. Base your calculations on the players with FULLY GUARANTEED contracts first.

5. You don't need to be under the salary cap to do a SnT just under the LT (preferably) once the trade is completed.

6. If using your $145.7 mill above...subtract Gallo $21 mil....now at $124.7....SnT Clint ($19) for Ayton ($30):

124-19+30 = $135....still over the salary cap but under the Luxury tax

[Spud2nique]

1 hour ago, Spud2nique said:

He claims to be a “church” guy too

I don’t do Twitter but I might create an account for this cat. It’ll be something based on the devil   Hypocrite much?

[thecampster]

35 minutes ago, Diesel said:

Yeah, but those number (146) includes Capholds...

As I was saying....  We can move those Capholds to either waive the players or resign them and we will be under the cap...

 

For instance...

Knox's Caphold is 17.5 Million.

That's a 17.5 Million dollar Hit against the Cap.   We resign Knox at 2.5 Million, that takes us to 131 Million.

Lou's caphold is 9.5 Million... We waive Lou, that's 9.5 Million that comes off our Cap... that takes us to 122.5 Million.

Then there's Dieng, TLC - Wave... that's 6.5 More.

Then there's Signing Delon to a 3 yr 29 Million dollar deal...  That's 8.2 More.

 

Point is.. we can make moves to get us to 109 Million in Cap simply by resigning and Waiving and we don't even have to do anything with Gallo Yet. 

I see the trading of Gallo for nothing as being a waste when we can still do the trade without giving him away for nothing. 

 

 

Read here.  By waiving Gallow and ditching all of our cap holds, we're at $136 million (ish).  I do not understand nor accept your math of $109 million.  I think you are missing something.

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/atlanta-hawks/cap/

 

In my post, go to contingency 1:  Add buckets 1 and 2 and you have all the guarantees except for Gallo's 16.45 million unguaranteed but including his $5 million guaranteed.  $136,339,507.  Please explain the discrepancy.

 

[thecampster]

20 minutes ago, JayBirdHawk said:

1. Your number does not include the additional $6 mil for Trae making All NBA

2. We will always be operating over the Salary cap but want to stay under the Luxury Tax until trades, then go using exceptions

3. Hawks will not offer Knox a $7 mil QO, so strike that

4. Base your calculations on the players with FULLY GUARANTEED contracts first.

5. You don't need to be under the salary cap to do a SnT just under the LT (preferably) once the trade is completed.

6. If using your $145.7 mill above...subtract Gallo $21 mil....now at $124.7....SnT Clint ($19) for Ayton ($30):

124-19+30 = $135....still over the salary cap but under the Luxury tax

And try to remember the order you resign people/make trades matters, but if you are resigning your own player, the cap hold until he is resigned matters. So if you are resigning say Knox to a minimum deal, his cap hold remains until he is resigned.

[thecampster]

36 minutes ago, Diesel said:

Player Option

Team Option

Qualifying Offer

Non-Guaranteed

Partially Guaranteed

Player	Age	2022-23	2023-24	2024-25	2025-26	2026-27	Signed Using	Guaranteed	Notes
Trae Young	23	$30.5M	$32.9M	$35.3M	$37.8M	$40.2M	Bird	$176,900,000
John Collins	24	$23.5M	$25.3M	$26.5M	$26.5M		Bird	$75,420,000
Danilo Gallinari	33	$21.4M					Sign And Trade	$21,450,000
Clint Capela	28	$18.2M	$20.6M	$22.2M			Bird	$61,088,177
Bogdan Bogdanovic	29	$18.0M	$18.0M				Cap Space	$18,000,000
Kevin Knox II	22	$7.2M					Rookie	$0
Delon Wright	30							$0
Kevin Huerter	23	$14.5M	$15.6M	$16.8M	$17.9M		Bird	$65,000,000
De'Andre Hunter	24	$9.8M	$12.9M				Rookie	$0
Lou Williams	35							$0
Onyeka Okongwu	21	$6.3M	$8.1M	$10.8M			Rookie	$0
Gorgui Dieng	32							$0
Jalen Johnson	20	$2.7M	$2.9M	$4.5M	$6.4M		Rookie	$2,792,640
Skylar Mays	24	$2.0M					Minimum	$0
Timothe Luwawu-Cabarrot	27							$0
Sharife Cooper	20	$1.5M						$0
Chaundee Brown Jr.	23		$1.6M					$0
Team TotalThe s		$156.0M	$138.2M	$116.3M	$88.8M	$40.2M		$420,650,817

Use spotrac. Its much easier to understand once you take a minute to read it and its updated more frequently.

 

See bolded below.

 

2022-23 Luxury Tax Totals

Denotes the Hawks current standing in terms of the luxury tax threshold. Teams that spend over the threshold pay fines (estimated below).

TYPE		TOTALS
2022 NBA Luxury Tax Threshold		$149,000,000
Total Taxable Salaries		$152,789,507
Current Luxury Tax Space		$-3,789,507
Est. Luxury Tax Bill		$5,684,261

 

2022-23 Atlanta Hawks Salary Cap Totals

The Hawks are currently over the league salary cap. This means Cap Holds & Exceptions are NOT included in their Total Cap Allocations, and renouncing these figures will not afford them any cap space. The team may only sign outside players using any available exceptions or at league minimum salaries.

CAP TYPE	CAP TOTAL
Active Roster Cap	$152,789,507
Cap Holds	$59,740,522
Total Cap Allocations	$212,530,029
Salary Cap Maximum
2022 NBA Salary Cap Max	$122,000,000
Current Cap Space	$-90,530,029

 

[JeffS17]

2 minutes ago, thecampster said:

Use spotrac. Its much easier to understand once you take a minute to read it and its updated more frequently.

 

See bolded below.

 

2022-23 Luxury Tax Totals

Denotes the Hawks current standing in terms of the luxury tax threshold. Teams that spend over the threshold pay fines (estimated below).

TYPE		TOTALS
2022 NBA Luxury Tax Threshold		$149,000,000
Total Taxable Salaries		$152,789,507
Current Luxury Tax Space		$-3,789,507
Est. Luxury Tax Bill		$5,684,261

 

2022-23 Atlanta Hawks Salary Cap Totals

The Hawks are currently over the league salary cap. This means Cap Holds & Exceptions are NOT included in their Total Cap Allocations, and renouncing these figures will not afford them any cap space. The team may only sign outside players using any available exceptions or at league minimum salaries.

CAP TYPE	CAP TOTAL
Active Roster Cap	$152,789,507
Cap Holds	$59,740,522
Total Cap Allocations	$212,530,029
Salary Cap Maximum
2022 NBA Salary Cap Max	$122,000,000
Current Cap Space	$-90,530,029

 

+1 for Spotrac.  Not an expert, but I learned everything I know from there and this site: https://cbabreakdown.com/

 

 

[sturt]

39 minutes ago, kg01 said:

Speaking of  .....  I just ran across a blurb about OG Anunoby being 'upset' with his role in TOR.  Smells like click bait to me, but I could see someone being a bit miffed considering the ROY plays his position.

Plus Barnes is better than him, as I predicted (pat my back), so his role is likely capped there.

Long story long, trade for that guy.  Blah, blah, blah, blah, blaahhh .. Mmkay, thanks.

Thanks... https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10037274-latest-nba-offseason-intel-does-og-anunoby-want-out-of-toronto

Said this a couple of days ago that TOR was said to have had interest in BogBog at the deadline.

Would he start over Hunter? Would Hunter need to be part of a deal? Would Hunter want to be moved if new SF competition arrived?