Popular Post TheNorthCydeRises Posted July 8, 2023 Popular Post Report Share Posted July 8, 2023 Just now, JeffS17 said: No one moves particularly well without the ball on our team, but Trae hasn't moved at all, so he has much further to go. It will be a big test for him this season Do you know why you can't accurately answer this question? Because off ball movement is system driven, not player driven. Saying that Trae has further to go, is short-sighted. We have never seen Trae in a system that promotes player movement. And in the NBA, very few PGs are moving without the ball in the fashion that people seem to want Trae to move. I think the Steph Curry comparison to Trae is the wrong one. He's not Steph. No one is. The majority of PGs in the NBA are on the ball. And if they aren't, it's because they aren't good facilitators. We'll see what Quin comes up with, and if it helps the Hawks overall. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Final_quest Posted July 8, 2023 Report Share Posted July 8, 2023 21 minutes ago, TheNorthCydeRises said: The future you guys are talking about though, consist of guys who are currently bench role players who really haven't established themselves as pros yet. We just "hope" that all of our young players turn into high level guys. Hope is not a strategy. I've been with you on this take for a while, ever since 2021. The NBA is about acquiring top shelf talent. Two years ago it was Cam that was gonna blossom into a star... We can do both, trade for upgraded talent and develop young players. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gray Mule Posted July 8, 2023 Report Share Posted July 8, 2023 41 minutes ago, TheNorthCydeRises said: Question: Who on our team moves well without the ball, and why? AJ Griffin - - - Because he's been talking to our assistant GM! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gurpilo Posted July 8, 2023 Report Share Posted July 8, 2023 Currently we have as young players Tyty, Bufkin, AJ, JJ, Gueye, Garuba, Vit…. veterans, some of them are 22,24…. Young, Murray, Bogi, Hunter, Bey, OO, Capela… we may add Matthews and Bruno but they are on the limit that sets which player is or is not on the league. We are really thin on the frontcourt and we need some size, defense and veteran presence there, FA market is squeezing fast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warcore Posted July 8, 2023 Report Share Posted July 8, 2023 16 hours ago, terrell said: Doris riding him so hard... lol she wishes 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theheroatl Posted July 8, 2023 Report Share Posted July 8, 2023 (edited) 5 minutes ago, gurpilo said: Currently we have as young players Tyty, Bufkin, AJ, JJ, Gueye, Garuba, Vit…. veterans, some of them are 22,24…. Young, Murray, Bogi, Hunter, Bey, OO, Capela… we may add Matthews and Bruno but they are on the limit that sets which player is or is not on the league. We are really thin on the frontcourt and we need some size, defense and veteran presence there, FA market is squeezing fast. Tyty, JJ, Garuba, Vit, Hunter, Bruno, Matthews, Capela… and picks wise we have SAC '24 and '29 Own FRP I think these guys are the ones tradeable right now. I think the FO likes: Young, DJM, Bogi, Bey, OO, and AJ and will keep their claws the best they can on them. The reason is Hawks DNA and they all fit a pretty good timeline. And Edited July 8, 2023 by theheroatl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gurpilo Posted July 8, 2023 Report Share Posted July 8, 2023 (edited) I think JJ is also part of the core but I might be wrong. The issue is that you have 5 established players for PG, SG and SF in Young, DJM, Bogi, Hunter and Bey. But for PF and C we have justo Capela and OO and they are completely redundante. Edited July 8, 2023 by gurpilo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theheroatl Posted July 8, 2023 Report Share Posted July 8, 2023 (edited) 8 minutes ago, gurpilo said: I think JJ is also part of the core but I might be wrong. The issue is that you have 5 established players for PG, SG and SF in Young, DJM, Bogi, Hunter and Bey. But for PF and C we have justo Capela and OO and they are completely redundante. I think you only need and established forward and center to win, one of each. They don't have to be stars but one or both need to shoot the 3 ball at a good clip. Which essentially spaces the floor. Edited July 8, 2023 by theheroatl 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey Posted July 8, 2023 Report Share Posted July 8, 2023 Not a single report on this KAT to atl deal yet… 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member JeffS17 Posted July 8, 2023 Premium Member Report Share Posted July 8, 2023 34 minutes ago, TheNorthCydeRises said: Do you know why you can't accurately answer this question? Because off ball movement is system driven, not player driven. Saying that Trae has further to go, is short-sighted. We have never seen Trae in a system that promotes player movement. And in the NBA, very few PGs are moving without the ball in the fashion that people seem to want Trae to move. I think the Steph Curry comparison to Trae is the wrong one. He's not Steph. No one is. The majority of PGs in the NBA are on the ball. And if they aren't, it's because they aren't good facilitators. We'll see what Quin comes up with, and if it helps the Hawks overall. Of course it’s system driven — I didnt think we were starting the conversation at that rudimentary level. My overall point is I have seen a lot of the guys on the team in situations where they’re slashing without the ball, moving into space, and making good decisions off the catch. For instance, AJ seems to have good instincts when he catches the ball— makes quick decisions. Bogi as well, expect him to thrive under Quin. Hunter is horrible…too methodical and no instincts, I can see why were shopping him. Trae hasnt been in these situations because hes dominated the ball. So no, we havent been in a ball movement motion offense, but if you’ve watched our players, and if you watched those Jazz teams, you can get a sense of who would fit. I suspect we will move towards that. And its not an indictment on Trae so you dont have to rush to defend him — it’s just reality he has never developed that type of skill set. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hawkish Posted July 8, 2023 Report Share Posted July 8, 2023 1 hour ago, TheNorthCydeRises said: The future you guys are talking about though, consist of guys who are currently bench role players who really haven't established themselves as pros yet. We just "hope" that all of our young players turn into high level guys. I just “hope” that KAT doesn’t regress and actually plays like he is worth $50-60M per. However, I am quite confident he will never have that value for us with the role he will play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bleachkit Posted July 8, 2023 Report Share Posted July 8, 2023 11 minutes ago, Mikey said: Not a single report on this KAT to atl deal yet… I'm highly skeptical myself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post warcore Posted July 8, 2023 Popular Post Report Share Posted July 8, 2023 Just stopping by to remind everyone that Nick Ressler traded for KAT on NBA 2K last year and he had fun after the trade. And he told his dad about the fun he had. 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NekiEcko Posted July 8, 2023 Report Share Posted July 8, 2023 (edited) 20 minutes ago, Mikey said: Not a single report on this KAT to atl deal yet… Wow, just give it time okay But seriously if yall guys worry about stuff like that, why are you even posting in the insiders (outsiders) post for? Just check out the other post on the website. Those guys are putting their necks and friendships on the line to give us any bit of news about this team. Let it play out as so, besides they are still cooking right now (Houston deal is not completed yet) and anything can change or happen at any moment. Edited July 8, 2023 by NekiEcko 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Premium Member Popular Post Sothron Posted July 8, 2023 Premium Member Popular Post Report Share Posted July 8, 2023 teams know we have an artificial date looming. I am still hearing KAT to Atlanta with Capela being needed to be sent to a third team to make Minn happy to get back draft assets. So to answer someone's questeion five pages ago, yes, we do need a third team involved to really make this work. One of my Hawks sources believes the two teams can cut out a third team and jsut make this deal work but I have strong doubts. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bleachkit Posted July 8, 2023 Report Share Posted July 8, 2023 6 minutes ago, theheroatl said: Was this to save money, or did we want Patty as our back up PG? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marco102 Posted July 8, 2023 Report Share Posted July 8, 2023 Just now, bleachkit said: Was this to save money, or did we want Patty as our back up PG? Both probably. Saved money and got a good vet. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member BangHolman Posted July 8, 2023 Premium Member Report Share Posted July 8, 2023 2 minutes ago, marco102 said: Both probably. Saved money and got a good vet. I'd rather our 3rd PG be a vet, so I'm for it. I liked Garuba as a prospect though. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Peoriabird Posted July 8, 2023 Premium Member Report Share Posted July 8, 2023 Don't understand the move Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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