John Collins Traded - Fare thee well!

[terrell]

37 minutes ago, NBASupes said:

Nothing, that's crazy, we literally got more for Cam who was busted than we got for JC who has always been productive for us 

That 25.3 million trade exception might be more valuable to us than a late 1st tbh with where this team is at right now....

 

[NekiEcko]

It is crazy to read some of these comments about this trade.  I know that we could get more from it and in hindsight they could have but there was a reason why they went light on it.  There has to be another trade that is coming down the line where this team needs that exception or something else.

But at the end of the day, dont blame Fields for doing this, right now it was product of bad contracts, the new CBA and just not having the right pieces.

To John, Thank you for your service here and you always came in and did your job to the best of your ability and I know that Utah will flourish with you there.  

[DS5]

This trade puts us right below the tax line. But sure, we’re going to use the exception… 

[Wretch]

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[Diesel]

Some of yall don't get it. 

This was a salary dump plain and simple.   The exception won't be used all up.    We'll probably come out of this with a cheap Dario Saric and Alex Len combo. 

 

[terrell]

9 minutes ago, KB21 said:

We are better off with Bey getting the minutes at power forward than using anything of value on Rui or Kuzma.  At least Bey can shoot at an above average clip.  

That wasnt an insider comment..Just speculation.. lol

[TheFuzz]

JCs an awesome dude. He'll be missed

[Diesel]

4 minutes ago, NekiEcko said:

I know that we could get more from it and in hindsight they could have but there was a reason why they went light on it. 

[Atlantaholic]

22 minutes ago, KB21 said:

Are you talking about the MLE that was created with this deal?

Both those guys will make a lot more than the MLE (criminally), so I don't think that's what he meant. 

[Marvin24Williams]

Lol whats next? Capela for 2nd rounders and some chicken wings?

Edited June 26, 2023 by Marvin24Williams

[Diesel]

Just now, Marvin24Williams said:

Lol whats next? Capela for 2nd rounders and some chicken wings?

I can see that. 

 

[terrell]

11 minutes ago, Diesel said:

Some of yall don't get it. 

This was a salary dump plain and simple.   The exception won't be used all up.    We'll probably come out of this with a cheap Dario Saric and Alex Len combo. 

 

Jalen will put up better numbers than Collins next year if we go that route... He is a better rebounder and passer. 2 things we sorely lack. 

I don’t think JC is the last highly paid player to get traded this summer btw...

So get your tissues ready...

Edited June 26, 2023 by terrell

[thecampster]

18 minutes ago, Diesel said:

Love to.

When you come off the bench, you have the luxury of playing against guys who didn't game plan for you.   Normally, you are lesser known because you're coming off the bench.   Moreover, you're catching starters that are tired and you're catching 2nd stringers who you may be better than.   So it's EASY to look good when you come off the bench.   It's hard to "keep that same energy" when you start.   

One place where you can see a measurable difference is "the playoffs".   In a playoff series, the other team gets to do some advanced scouting.   They get to game plan for all 12 players.   Somebody ( @thecampster) said that JJ crushed JC this past season.   However, what happened in the playoffs?

 

The eye test was no better.   

But we're going to be put in a situation where we will play JJ.  We're hoping he's our Draymond but he better get in the weight room. 

 

I said last 30 games.

 

Post All-star break, under Quinn

	All-Star Break	G	Min	FGM	FGA	FG%	3PM	3PA	3P%	FTM	FTA	FT%	OR	DR	Reb	Ast	TO	Stl	Blk	PF	Pts
JC	Post-All Star	21	27:22:00	4.8	9.3	51.3	1.4	3.8	38	1.9	2.4	78	1	4.1	5.1	1.1	1	0.4	0.5	2.7	12.8
	Per36			6.3	12.2	51.3	1.8	5.0	38.0	2.5	3.2	78.0	1.3	5.4	6.7	1.4	1.3	0.5	0.7	3.6	16.8
JJ	Post-All Star	15	16:46	3.1	5.8	52.9	0.5	1.5	30.4	0.6	1.1	52.9	0.7	3.9	4.6	2.2	0.9	0.9	0.7	2.3	7.2
	Per36			6.7	12.5	52.9	1.1	3.2	30.4	1.3	2.4	52.9	1.5	8.4	9.9	4.7	1.9	1.9	1.5	4.9	15.5

 

He was a better finisher, rebounder, facilitator, shot blocker, steals.  

 

Getting 2x as many assists, 3x as many steals, 4x as many blocks, 50% more rebounds.....you're doing more to turn the tide...simple as that.  most games come down to a few possessions....those plays matter....being active matters.  Many times those last 30 games, JC was very inactive which is why his rebounding numbers continue to fall, his block/steals numbers fall.  JC creates "zero" defensive chaos.

9 minutes ago, Marvin24Williams said:

Lol whats next? Capela for 2nd rounders and some chicken wings?

Wait....what flavor wings?

[thecampster]

At worst, JC and JJ = same impact, but JJ has more impact and needs the playing time.

JC = $23.9 million in salary

JJ = $2.9 million in salary

Same production (at least) for $21 million less.  By the end of the season, all the crocodile tears will dry up.

[thecampster]

@kg01  Why so glum chum?

[TRW]

I'm going to miss you John Collins. Your professionalism, honesty, and will to play any role you were given. I'll be rooting for you, except when you play us.

[Hawkish]

I have no issue with the trade.  Moving Collins was necessary to implement the next move (whatever that is).  Now, the next move(s) will be informative.

[thecampster]

One point of speculation nobody has mentioned (that I saw) was does this open up time for OO at the 4 and Bruno as the backup 5?

[NekiEcko]

1 minute ago, thecampster said:

One point of speculation nobody has mentioned (that I saw) was does this open up time for OO at the 4 and Bruno as the backup 5?

But here is the question about that, if you do something like that, would it applied that Capella will be staying here ( For me I think him and Hunter is about to go soon)

[Diesel]

15 minutes ago, thecampster said:

I said last 30 games.

 

Post All-star break, under Quinn

	All-Star Break	G	Min	FGM	FGA	FG%	3PM	3PA	3P%	FTM	FTA	FT%	OR	DR	Reb	Ast	TO	Stl	Blk	PF	Pts
JC	Post-All Star	21	27:22:00	4.8	9.3	51.3	1.4	3.8	38	1.9	2.4	78	1	4.1	5.1	1.1	1	0.4	0.5	2.7	12.8
	Per36			6.3	12.2	51.3	1.8	5.0	38.0	2.5	3.2	78.0	1.3	5.4	6.7	1.4	1.3	0.5	0.7	3.6	16.8
JJ	Post-All Star	15	16:46	3.1	5.8	52.9	0.5	1.5	30.4	0.6	1.1	52.9	0.7	3.9	4.6	2.2	0.9	0.9	0.7	2.3	7.2
	Per36			6.7	12.5	52.9	1.1	3.2	30.4	1.3	2.4	52.9	1.5	8.4	9.9	4.7	1.9	1.9	1.5	4.9	15.5

 

He was a better finisher, rebounder, facilitator, shot blocker, steals.  

 

Getting 2x as many assists, 3x as many steals, 4x as many blocks, 50% more rebounds.....you're doing more to turn the tide...simple as that.  most games come down to a few possessions....those plays matter....being active matters.  Many times those last 30 games, JC was very inactive which is why his rebounding numbers continue to fall, his block/steals numbers fall.  JC creates "zero" defensive chaos.

Wait....what flavor wings?

I want you to hold on to this stats...   We will revisit.