Kendall Marshall

[Guest]

Hahahaha omggggg....Joker, what you just said in response to coachx makes no sense whatsoever. He is just saying that you are not qualified to judge a basketball player because you never watched him. Your response reminds me of an incorrect LSAT analytical reasoning question. WOW. I could probably write for an hour here and it would still not be enough but I'm just gonna ask you one thing that kind of stood out to me. If Stockton and Miller are comparable in your mind, and you say that Miller never had a Karl Malone, which fine, that could be a logical reason to compare the assist numbers between them. But did Karl Malone help Stockton be the ALL TIME STEALS leader EVER??????????????????????/ Did Karl Malone play the passing lanes? I'm sorry but when you compare Stockton to Miller, it's not even close. The ouside shot of Stockton, the speed, the quickness, the court vision, the unselfishness...I can go on and on but I won't. There is just not enough time in this world to argue over this. lol. PS Going back and watching tape of these players on youtube doesnt compare to watching the actual games during that era and understanding the intricacies of the players.

[Joker]

Hahahaha omggggg....Joker, what you just said in response to coachx makes no sense whatsoever. He is just saying that you are not qualified to judge a basketball player because you never watched him. Your response reminds me of an incorrect LSAT analytical reasoning question. WOW. I could probably write for an hour here and it would still not be enough but I'm just gonna ask you one thing that kind of stood out to me. If Stockton and Miller are comparable in your mind, and you say that Miller never had a Karl Malone, which fine, that could be a logical reason to compare the assist numbers between them. But did Karl Malone help Stockton be the ALL TIME STEALS leader EVER??????????????????????/ Did Karl Malone play the passing lanes? I'm sorry but when you compare Stockton to Miller, it's not even close. The ouside shot of Stockton, the speed, the quickness, the court vision, the unselfishness...I can go on and on but I won't. There is just not enough time in this world to argue over this. lol. PS Going back and watching tape of these players on youtube doesnt compare to watching the actual games during that era and understanding the intricacies of the players.

For starters,

Can you even read? He asked when did I start watching Basketball. My response was simple, it really doesn't matter because if I have seen the tape and know his game. I have a vast knowledge of the subject. Therefore a 80 year old has been living for 80 years. Bill Gates for 50 plus years. Since the 80 year old is older, does that mean the 80 year old is more knowledgeable than Gates on the subject of computers or even in general? It was not that hard to understand for someone referencing standardized testing on potential lawyers.

Stockton and Miller aren't the same exact player, they are just the same type. That's it.

The speed? My goodness, stop talking. I am trying not insult you since Dolfan told me to chill but this is out of pocket. You are talking about Stockton like he's J.J. Barea. The speed, my goodness, seriously?

Please don't argue, you said enough, you really have said more than enough. Nostalgia is a bitch for some of these posters.

Squd, what's your field of practice in law?

Edited June 12, 2012 by Joker

[Guest]

Never mind you....Now you are talkin about JJ Barea? Your all over the place man. Seriously you are out of you element. Arguing with you is like arguing with that kid Sean from the movie Bad Teacher. Only he was arguing that Lebron was better than Jordan. Your argument might be that Mayo is better than Jordan..."in the right system". I enjoy laughing at your "vast knowldege" as I'm sure other posters do. In your eyes, your starting point guard for all NBA all history team would be Kendall Marshall(even though he hasn't played 1 minute in the league). Lemme guess your 2 guard is Hold the Mayo right? Hahahaha. To quote the guy in Ferris Bueller's day off..."I weep for the future".

[Joker]

Never mind you....Now you are talkin about JJ Barea? Your all over the place man. Seriously you are out of you element. Arguing with you is like arguing with that kid Sean from the movie Bad Teacher. Only he was arguing that Lebron was better than Jordan. Your argument might be that Mayo is better than Jordan..."in the right system". I enjoy laughing at your "vast knowldege" as I'm sure other posters do. In your eyes, your starting point guard for all NBA all history team would be Kendall Marshall(even though he hasn't played 1 minute in the league). Lemme guess your 2 guard is Hold the Mayo right? Hahahaha. To quote the guy in Ferris Bueller's day off..."I weep for the future".

[Guest]

Ur adorable....:-)

[Joker]

Here's a decent thread for you Squd:http://forums.realgm....php?p=30257639

[coachx]

For starters,

Can you even read? He asked when did I start watching Basketball. My response was simple, it really doesn't matter because if I have seen the tape and know his game. I have a vast knowledge of the subject. Therefore a 80 year old has been living for 80 years. Bill Gates for 50 plus years. Since the 80 year old is older, does that mean the 80 year old is more knowledgeable than Gates on the subject of computers or even in general? It was not that hard to understand for someone referencing standardized testing on potential lawyers.

That is a poor comparison. The internet did not begin until the 1980's and was not popular until the 90's.

Use something that has been around a long time like basketball as an accurate analogy.

Lets use and apples to apples comarison shall we rather then a computer to basketball analogy.

Comparing an 80 year old basketball fan to a 30 year old basketball fan is much better analogy. I'd trust the 80 year old's opinion on everything that happened before 1994 since the 30 year old was only 12 years old in 1994. Watching a little tape on a 7'' X 9'' monitor does not equate to watching 100's of live games through the 80's and 90's in chronological order. Seeing how players add things to their games year in and year out.

Some of us have memories of Stockton being an absolute blur running up and down the court.............and of Mark Jackson throwing down tomahawk dunks at MSG and stole the "Action Jackson" nickname from the Apollo Creed actor..............some people don't have those memories and form opinions on players after only seeing them play in their 30's.

Edited June 12, 2012 by coachx

[Joker]

What a piss poor comparison. The internet did not begin until the 1980's and was not popular until the 90's.Use something that has been around a long time like basketball as an accurate analogy.Comparing an 80 year old basketball fan to a 30 year old basketball fan is much better analogy. I'd trust the 80 year old's opinion on everything that happened before 1994 since the 30 year old was only 12 years old in 1994. Watching a little tape on a 7'' X 9'' monitor does not equate to watching 100's of live games through the 80's and 90's in chronological order. Seeing how players add things to their games year in and year out.Some of us have memories of Stockton being an absolute blur running up and down the court.............and of Mark Jackson throwing down tomahawk dunks at MSG and stole the "Action Jackson" nickname from the Apollo Creed actor..............some people don't have those memories and form opinions on players after only seeing them play in their 30's.

Stockton being a blur? Mark Jackson dunking isn't surprising to anyone who knows the game as evident in the playoffs in the 80's. But Stockton was NEVER a blur. Maybe your contrast on your TV was terrible that day. You tried to watch videos on one of those old Betamax and it was blurry. That's the only way.

[itsslomotionbaby]

joker i definately like to see what you think about machado,i also was impressed with jared cunningham at the combines, which is almost as tall as this guy you are raving about.I also liked damien lillard out of weber st.

[Joker]

joker i definately like to see what you think about machado,i also was impressed with jared cunningham at the combines, which is almost as tall as this guy you are raving about.I also liked damien lillard out of weber st.

I like what Cunningham brings, in fact if I am Orlando, he is my top prospect from 10-30 range. Cunningham might be that steal for them. He is a Westbrook type with Waiters. I am not as high on him as others but I see the elite quickness For Atlanta, their personnel has an elite PnR PF and two specialist in terms of spot up and Joe is can create as well. A PnR PG just has A LOT more value for Atlanta than it does for most NBA teams. I like Dame Lillard a lot. He can score with so much ease. He actually can make Kobe Bryant shots. That's crazy skill to have. Marshon Brooks does as well but Brooks has very low BBIQ and doesn't play defense. Lillard has high BBIQ and plays defense.

[willthepureshooter]

Well I don't know about all this comparison stuff but I do know that Stockton was never a "break you down, and take it to the rack" type of guard. Lol. He was one of the greatest pick and roll point guards in the game, yes.. but not a take you off the dribble threat.

[Joker]

Well I don't know about all this comparison stuff but I do know that Stockton was never a "break you down, and take it to the rack" type of guard. Lol. He was one of the greatest pick and roll point guards in the game, yes.. but not a take you off the dribble threat.

Of course, the only ones saying he is nostalgic guys like Dolfan and coachx. When coachx said Stockton was a blur, I knew it was time to stop taking his posts serious.

[Admin]

Well I don't know about all this comparison stuff but I do know that Stockton was never a "break you down, and take it to the rack" type of guard. Lol. He was one of the greatest pick and roll point guards in the game, yes.. but not a take you off the dribble threat.

If I cared enough to do this AGAIN I'd go and find you plenty of video clips that show that he was more than capable of doing that. Is he an "And1" type of dribbler, of course not, but he was more than capable of taking anyone off the dribble. The fact that he was an incredible PnR PG has zero to do with his ability to break a guy down in other situations.

[coachx]

Of course, the only ones saying he is nostalgic guys like Dolfan and coachx. When coachx said Stockton was a blur, I knew it was time to stop taking his posts serious.

Its not nostalgia..........Its that we followed basketball in the 80's.I don't think many people on here saw Stockton in his physical prime. If you started following basketball in 1992 John Stockton was already 32 years old. At that time he was no longer a "blur." He was no longer the guy to break you down off the dribble at will like he was in his 20's. His mind allowed him to remain just as effective though.Is Kobe's game the same now at 33 as it was in his 20's ? Of course not.Heck, we have seen drastic drop off of Dwayne Wade's atheltic ability at just 29.Its just like your recent comparison of Royce White to Boris Diaw from a physical standpoint. Well, ya a 21 year old White compares to the body type and athletic ability of a 32 year old Diaw...........but White's body type is nothing like the Diaw that entered the NBA as a rookie when he was a lean PG prospect that was coming off a Euroleague slam dunk championship. Edited June 18, 2012 by coachx

[Joker]

If I cared enough to do this AGAIN I'd go and find you plenty of video clips that show that he was more than capable of doing that. Is he an "And1" type of dribbler, of course not, but he was more than capable of taking anyone off the dribble. The fact that he was an incredible PnR PG has zero to do with his ability to break a guy down in other situations.

All NBA PG's except maybe Bibby and Fisher at this current age can beat their man off the dribble but breaking them down and getting to the rack consistently is a rarity. You need to be able to beat your man off the dribble to be an extremely successful PnR PG, that is why Bibby for us was never more than a PnP specialist most of the time.

[Joker]

Its not nostalgia..........Its that we followed basketball in the 80's.I don't think many people on here saw Stockton in his physical prime. If you started following basketball in 1992 John Stockton was already 32 years old. At that time he was no longer a "blur." He was no longer the guy to break you down off the dribble at will like he was in his 20's. His mind allowed him to remain just as effective though.Is Kobe's game the same now at 33 as it was in his 20's ? Of course not.Heck, we have seen drastic drop off of Dwayne Wade's atheltic ability at just 29.

Come on coachx, Stockton was never a blur. He never had that ability. Just admit you were wrong and move on. Guys like Westbrook, Rose, Teague, Claxton, etc were blurs at times. Stockton was never that. Not at 24, 34, or 44 years old. I probably watched more tape on Stockton then you watched games of him. I can promise you he was nothing close to a blur.

[coachx]

If I cared enough to do this AGAIN I'd go and find you plenty of video clips that show that he was more than capable of doing that. Is he an "And1" type of dribbler, of course not, but he was more than capable of taking anyone off the dribble. The fact that he was an incredible PnR PG has zero to do with his ability to break a guy down in other situations.

Topics like this feel like kids telling adults that Kobe and James are better then MJ b/c they only say MJ's last years with the Bulls and his comeback with the Wizards.

[Joker]

Topics like this feel like kids telling adults that Kobe and James are better then MJ b/c they only say MJ's last years with the Bulls and his comeback with the Wizards.

This is a vain comparison. You are saying Stockton was a blur and he was never that. Dolfan is talking like Stockton was Westbrook or Rose and he was never that. You are combining Rose with Stockton and creating this mystical player. Stockton was who he was. A pass first playmaking PG who played below average on ball defense and great team defense. Edited June 18, 2012 by Joker

[Joker]

I compared White to Diaw and Anthony Mason which is what most are also comparing him to. That's not much different than the norm.

[Admin]

This is a vain comparison. You are saying Stockton was a blur and he was never that. Dolfan is talking like Stockton was Westbrook or Rose and he was never that. You are combining Rose with Stockton and creating this mystical player. Stockton was who he was. A pass first playmaking PG who played average on ball defense and great team defense.

I had to break my vow of not responding to you over this ridiculous. You are calling the ALL-TIME NBA STEALS leader an average on ball defender. And even if that's the case, which it's not, that would mean he's incredibly quick at playing the passing lanes... and some may even call that type of quickness blur-ish.Please stop putting words in my mouth, I NEVER said that Stockton was like Westbrook or Rose. There have been many PGs in the NBA history who could break their man down off the dribble and get to the hole without being elite at it like Rose is. So please, please stop with this nonsense.And with that, the moratorium of not responding to you is back on. Good day.