Official Game Thread: Hawks at Lakers

[Plainview1981]

1 hour ago, NBASupes said:

Al Jefe Horford is missed. This team is heading to the lottery.

Well, regardless of what one things of Teague, Al and Dwight.... The off season was a net loss in terms of talent. Especially when you replace Teague with Malcolm Deleney. The PG spot was a lot more of a strength last year than this year. The decline in the team started last year... Even Teague said that the team knew they peaked two years ago. However, The alarming thing for me is the lack of improvement from Dennis... You'd figure that he would be motivated to play his best ball, but he simply hasn't improved much since his 2nd season. I think his ceiling is a lot lower than people want to admit.

 

 

[Plainview1981]

Not to mention that they're pussies for not putting Lou on his ass. Put him on the ground hard.

[django2341]

Guys this one wasn´t on Dennis. This one was on Bud!

I guess we are the only team in the league which subs out the best player in Millsap after under 5 minutes into the first and the third. And then there is no way Kyle Korver should play the most wing minutes at all. Especially not with all their perimeter scoring.

Dennis is the one guy who can create shots. For him and his teammates. He still needs to learn when it´s time to do what. But he did a great job finding his mates tonight. He was holding us into the game at the end of the third. Then Delaney came in an let Lou score 10 straight points. Ball game.

Millsap sometimes plays to stagnant. The ball movement stops when he gets it. This needs to be more fluent. D8 had a bad night after the first Q. Sometimes he´s to demanding. He puts himself over the team at times. If he doesn´t get the ball he isn´t going for the Rebound and stuff like that.

Oh and yeah. How is it that every Team can set good Screens (for their point guard) but the Hawks can`t????????????????

Edited November 28, 2016 by django2341

[rd79]

7 minutes ago, django2341 said:

Oh and yeah. How is it that every Team can set good Screens (for their point guard) but the Hawks can`t????????????????

This is something I noticed too. Players like Calderon are scoring vs Dennis because they get very good screens and he has to create his shot all alone because he doesn't get screens. 

Outside of that I'm a little confused how the Hawks are playing the last games. Are there already some locker room issues?
By far the biggest problem is that the whole team isn't consistent. There are one to three players hot every night and shit the next one. If there are three players hot we might win if there is only one or two - like Baze yesterday - we will lose.

The teams isn't playing as a team and sometimes Bud's rotations are strange. Sometimes he stays with the hot hand, sometimes he benches a player on fire because he wants to stay with his gameplan and when the player is subbed in much later he lost his touch...

Somehow everybody on this team struggles at the moment...

[NBASupes]

6 hours ago, Hotlanta1981 said:

Dennis is not going to get better. He is the same player he was in his second season. His role is being a scorer off the bench and nothing more

Dennis one elite skill last year was the PnR. We don't have one single player who can execute the PnR. That's a problem.

Most of our issues can be tied to losing Horford. He was the player that did a lot of our impact plays. Most of our success this year was due to the bench playing over its head. Mike is no longer looking like a potential starter now that teams are scouting him and Tim just isn't a starting caliber player. The bench really hasn't been that good and Paul with Dwight isn't a great fit like Paul and Al Jefferson.

Edited November 28, 2016 by NBASupes

[NBASupes]

5 hours ago, Hotlanta1981 said:

Well, regardless of what one things of Teague, Al and Dwight.... The off season was a net loss in terms of talent. Especially when you replace Teague with Malcolm Deleney. The PG spot was a lot more of a strength last year than this year. The decline in the team started last year... Even Teague said that the team knew they peaked two years ago. However, The alarming thing for me is the lack of improvement from Dennis... You'd figure that he would be motivated to play his best ball, but he simply hasn't improved much since his 2nd season. I think his ceiling is a lot lower than people want to admit.

 

 

Remember how I kept harping on the PG position being something we won each game last year and losing both players was going to kill us which of course it did.

[Thomas]

The roster has been changed this year to be able to battle the Cavs in the playoffs by improving defense in the paint and rebounding as those were key problems last playoffs but as said by many Baze is out of position and playing poorly on top of that and Kyle is causing multiple problems whether his shooting percentage overall is good or not. We still just look really awkward while approaching the quarter mark for the season. Throw some caution to the wind and getting Prince on the floor for thirty minutes a game would be at least a step in the right direction.  

[NBASupes]

2 minutes ago, Thomas said:

The roster has been changed this year to be able to battle the Cavs in the playoffs by improving defense in the paint and rebounding as those were key problems last playoffs but as said by many Baze is out of position and playing poorly on top of that and Kyle is causing multiple problems whether his shooting percentage overall is good or not. We still just look really awkward while approaching the quarter mark for the season. Throw some caution to the wind and getting Prince on the floor for thirty minutes a game would be at least a step in the right direction.  

Once again, you can improve the defense in the paint and improve toughness but if you lose a lot more than you gain, you are going to regress as an unit. Sorry, I don't see how moving Bazemore to SG will help when he's just a bench player anyway and will be no better at SG if Kyle's off the court than anything. We seen him and Thabo and Prince and him. They don't shoot or score will enough to play with each other.

[Thomas]

7 hours ago, Hotlanta1981 said:

Not to mention that they're pussies for not putting Lou on his ass. Put him on the ground hard.

Definitely, Lou just loves playing against us knowing there is no cause and effect for him attacking. Wrist slaps don't set much of a deterrence. 

[Thomas]

29 minutes ago, NBASupes said:

We seen him and Thabo and Prince and him. They don't shoot or score will enough to play with each other.

Can't argue about the shooting especially for the next several games but Prince already is a better option at SF than Baze. We may not like our options for the two guard but Baze, Tim, Kyle and Bembry are available now and its Bud's slow footed deal to figure it out.  

[macdaddy]

Hawks will win through offensive execution and good defense.  If one of those things is off we will look bad.   We have the same overall problem that we've had for years which is lack of offensive talent.   None of our wings have the talent this team needs.   We can get by with great execution but that's hard to sustain every game and if the defense is sucking then it doesn't really matter.   

I like all our guys but : Thabo, Moose, Baze are average offensive players.   Hardaway has the tools but is not nearly consistent enough.  Prince is very promising but he's not going to be the answer this year.   Everyone complains about Korver but he plays the most because all-around he is better and more consistent than the others.   Which isn't a good thing.   

We can still be a top 5 team in the east but we have to quit turning the ball over and stop playing hero ball and get physical on D.   

[Guest]

6 games and counting...scoring under 100 points.

Out rebounded by 15 once again.15 ORebs given up. Nance and Black out battled, outhustled our guys.

11 assists in 1st quarter - 14 assists the rest of the game. This tells me too much one on one play and we aren't a team built for that.  Our players aren't offensively talented to do that.

Hawks Starters - 70 points, LAL Bench - 65 points.  

Hawks bench was putrid this game, couldn't save the starters.

When you have 2 quarters scoring in the teens, that's a major problem.

1 Turnover in 1st quarter, 11 in the next 3 quaters. Still playing to careless with the ball.

Millsap was not engaged at all.

Play the youngins Bud!

[Guest]

17 minutes ago, JayBirdHawk said:

6 games and counting...scoring under 100 points.

Out rebounded by 15 once again.15 ORebs given up. Nance and Black out battled, outhustled our guys.

11 assists in 1st quarter - 14 assists the rest of the game. This tells me too much one on one play and we aren't a team built for that.  Our players aren't offensively talented to do that.

Hawks Starters - 70 points, LAL Bench - 65 points.  

Hawks bench was putrid this game, couldn't save the starters.

When you have 2 quarters scoring in the teens, that's a major problem.

1 Turnover in 1st quarter, 11 in the next 3 quaters. Still playing to careless with the ball.

Millsap was not engaged at all.

Play the youngins Bud!

Hawks were in beast-mode in 1st quarter, Jaybird enters chat ... all downhill from there.  Coincidence?

Seriously though, we came out looking like we'd just had a team-only meeting.  As is usually the case with teams that need team-only meetings, the effect faded away as the game went on.

Something tangible's gotta change.

ETA: And drunk-in-chat award goes to @Mojojojo.  Wake up, bruh.  Wake-up!  Shuffle outta here.  Straighten up for the cop outside.  We ain't bailin' you out again.

Edited November 28, 2016 by kg01

[DS17Fanboy]

Officiating whas awful and Millsap actually played like Millcrap(first time I say it like that). I really think he had an LA orgy or something the night before.

 

[Lurker]

10 hours ago, Lurker said:

The reality is, the Hawks offense with two wings that aren't great dribblers was figured out in the playoffs in spring 2015. 

All you need to do is switch everything and body up Kyle.

There was no alternative to just playing both Baze and Kyle and praying last year, but now there is. When teams start switching they both need to not be in the game.

And this was deleted by none other than Kris Willis on peachtreehoops (not exactly the same, but pretty close to it). That place is so hypocritical. If you insult their golden boys, Al Horford and Kyle Korver, they hate you.

[Guest]

R-E-L-A-X

 

It won't work for the Packers this year but we will be fine. Thanks Aaron!

[High5]

Following up a players-only meeting with yet another humiliating loss does not bode well for the future. The Lakers a young, lottery-bound team without two of their best players and they had absolutely no doubt that they were going to destroy us. And when you can't match up to the confident talent of Nick Young, Lou Williams, and Jordan Clarkson, what the hell are you going to do against the Warriors?

It seems like every fear about this roster has been realized. There's still a long season ahead of us, but I don't have confidence in anyone at the moment.