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[NBASupes]

Part 2 - 10PM EST - More player/team/free agency chatter

Part 3 - Tomorrow TBA (NBA Draft)

Part 4 - TBA (Updates)

[mrhonline]

6 minutes ago, terrell said:

Hayward? IDK about that..

Here's what Hollinger had to say about him:

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Gordon Hayward (PO), Celtics — $17,028,559

Hayward would be 31 a year from now, so his value in his age 31-to-33 seasons would presumably decline from the $17.1 million figure above. Let’s call it $14 million a year. Tacking three years at that price onto the current $34 million makes a four-year package worth about $75 million. 

Horford signed for 4 years, $109M.

[Dean Walker]

Wow I actually like the idea of Hayward coming here.

young-Cam-Hayward-JC-Capela 

that would be a fun team to watch.

[mrhonline]

GoCeltics123, you forgot to quote the "Celtics suck" part.

[DBac]

what happened to 3 team deal

[Wurider05]

This is what the leaker on Reddit posted today

 

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Hawks Leaks - Thread Two

Hi guys, will drop what I'm hearing.

 

-Expect a flurry of activity, rumors, etc starting after today's vote. Now that things are becoming more concrete, teams are ready to start really rolling. Buckle up because it's going to be crazy well past Dec 1.

 

-The move to hire McMillan was huge for the Hawks, they are very, very excited about it and while I don't have sources around the league from what I've heard 2nd hand is that everyone thinks it was a solid move that will make a huge difference. But, this goes deeper than just getting a good coach. It's about installing defense and intensity and getting another voice there. This will be big for guys like Trae but also tie it back in to rumored targets and how that would affect decisions in projecting potential......

 

-Obviously the Jrue news is huge, of course the Hawks are interested. But it all comes back to price. The Hawks know there's a lot of similar players, wings/guards who are a bit older that can help that are available and they also know they are one of few teams with space and assets to take anyone. They won't rush into a deal because there are options. I'm told they'd rather take an option B on a favorable deal than overpay for an option A.

 

-Obviously stuff all over, but I was told that Utah, surprisingly, was calling the Hawks often about moving up to the #6 pick as they are targeting a player who would be there. Obviously a big jump from where they are in the draft but it could turn into a 3-team deal where the Hawks get a few veteran pieces. Stay tuned on this one.

-I heard before but I'm told now again the Hawks are close to acquiring a 19+ppg scorer that would definitely be a starter/starter minutes kind of guy. Thats as specific as I can give but this one would be nice for Hawks fans. There's other moves that may happen that take priority over this one but I think they feel genuinely good about this move's chances.

 

-More players are available than you may think. Teams know what they're chasing and they know the incoming salary cap restrictions so not many teams are going to tread expensive water. Lots of calls flying about teams trying to make big trades, moves, etc. and the Hawks are a very focal team (The only reason I would know) because of their picks, cheap players that can crack rotations and cap space.

 

-Expect way more draft trades than normal just basing off activity the Hawks are seeing. And expect those rumors to start flaring. The Celtics rumors of consolidating picks are real but the Hawks don't want that many rookies. Maybe a 3-team deal for a team looking for a treasure trove but nothing super serious there yet according to my guy.

 

[mrhonline]

Hayward has a trade kicker, FWIW.

[JayBirdHawk]

2 minutes ago, mrhonline said:

Hayward has a trade kicker, FWIW.

Yes, would be about an additional $4 million.

[terrell]

12 minutes ago, Dean Walker said:

Wow I actually like the idea of Hayward coming here.

young-Cam-Hayward-JC-Capela 

that would be a fun team to watch.

Depends on the deal..And his health..We could definitely use his playmaking skills..

Edited November 7, 2020 by terrell

[JayBirdHawk]

30 minutes ago, NBASupes said:

Atlanta was in talks for Holiday but decided against a move for a rental.

 

31 minutes ago, NBASupes said:

Gordon Hayward

Atlanta and Hayward’s agent have been talking preliminary on Gordon. So far, no offer has been made or can be made but there is a presumption that there is major interest on both sides. Gordon would love to resign in Boston if the price is right which I have been told is miles apart. He seems like Atlanta’s prized signing for 2020-21. The cost of this signing will be high. He is hearing he is seeking an Al Horford deal and I honestly don’t think that’s bad value if the team he’s going to wants to use him correctly which is exactly how Boston uses him when he’s healthy.

Is he opting out to resign a new deal or is it a trade for his $34million dollar contract, then sign next season?

Based on the limited rise in projected Cap of a modest increase of $2 million for the 2022 season, I'm not comfortable with an Al Horford type contract. When Al signed that deal, the cap was expected to rise by at least $9 million per year.

[mrhonline]

I'd rather get the pain of the $34M out of the way early and extend him on a declining, lower amount.

But that does give the Celtics a mighty useful exception.

[Sothron]

Our big get is an oft injured 31 year old small forward? Eh...he'll make us better but that means Hunter is now a bench player. I also then question would we still pay JC because there's no way in hell I'd rather have a broken down Hayward on a  long term deal versus keeping a 20/10 PF in JC. 

[capstone21]

Haywood would be a nice addition but doesn’t get me excited... I hope we don’t go overboard on him.  

[NBASupes]

18 minutes ago, Wurider05 said:

This is what the leaker on Reddit posted today

-Expect a flurry of activity, rumors, etc starting after today's vote. Now that things are becoming more concrete, teams are ready to start really rolling. Buckle up because it's going to be crazy well past Dec 1.

 

-The move to hire McMillan was huge for the Hawks, they are very, very excited about it and while I don't have sources around the league from what I've heard 2nd hand is that everyone thinks it was a solid move that will make a huge difference. But, this goes deeper than just getting a good coach. It's about installing defense and intensity and getting another voice there. This will be big for guys like Trae but also tie it back in to rumored targets and how that would affect decisions in projecting potential......

 

-Obviously the Jrue news is huge, of course the Hawks are interested. But it all comes back to price. The Hawks know there's a lot of similar players, wings/guards who are a bit older that can help that are available and they also know they are one of few teams with space and assets to take anyone. They won't rush into a deal because there are options. I'm told they'd rather take an option B on a favorable deal than overpay for an option A.

 

-Obviously stuff all over, but I was told that Utah, surprisingly, was calling the Hawks often about moving up to the #6 pick as they are targeting a player who would be there. Obviously a big jump from where they are in the draft but it could turn into a 3-team deal where the Hawks get a few veteran pieces. Stay tuned on this one.

-I heard before but I'm told now again the Hawks are close to acquiring a 19+ppg scorer that would definitely be a starter/starter minutes kind of guy. Thats as specific as I can give but this one would be nice for Hawks fans. There's other moves that may happen that take priority over this one but I think they feel genuinely good about this move's chances.

 

-More players are available than you may think. Teams know what they're chasing and they know the incoming salary cap restrictions so not many teams are going to tread expensive water. Lots of calls flying about teams trying to make big trades, moves, etc. and the Hawks are a very focal team (The only reason I would know) because of their picks, cheap players that can crack rotations and cap space.

 

-Expect way more draft trades than normal just basing off activity the Hawks are seeing. And expect those rumors to start flaring. The Celtics rumors of consolidating picks are real but the Hawks don't want that many rookies. Maybe a 3-team deal for a team looking for a treasure trove but nothing super serious there yet according to my guy.

 

I am about to post on the Hawks in Part 2 but I'll address this leak from what I got now. 

1. This is partly true, teams been getting an idea for more than a couple of days but getting them to confirm their interest is hard. 

2. This one was bigger than defense or anything like that. Atlanta knew they needed to make the coaching room as good as any in the NBA if they wanted to win games. Having a coach of this caliber is priceless. 

3. Atlanta past on Jrue due to the cost. 

4. He never mentioned Utah having interest and based on what I have, that's not likely going to happen. 

5. Unless he's talking about Hayward, that's simply not going to happen in terms of a vet. Hayward is the only vet they are targeting that's much of a scorer or has that much offensive value. 

6. Somewhat but not really. Teams throw out players wanting the moon considering the stated player. RoCo could be had for a star but who wants to trade a star for RoCo? 

7. It's hard to say, I will address tomorrow. The value has to be there, not just the interest. 

[NBASupes]

6 minutes ago, Sothron said:

Our big get is an oft injured 31 year old small forward? Eh...he'll make us better but that means Hunter is now a bench player. I also then question would we still pay JC because there's no way in hell I'd rather have a broken down Hayward on a  long term deal versus keeping a 20/10 PF in JC. 

Hayward was literally the 2nd best player for Boston in the bubble before the injury. He adds tremendous value for a wing which is extremely hard to find in FA/trade or the draft. He would be overpriced but you got to pay to add talent in that market especially at that position. 

[NekiEcko]

But how many times that Hayward been injured in his career, I am sorry there is no way I would give him a "Al Horford" type contract to him.  We have to remember that outside of that injury he had that sit him out for almost full season, Al Horford was rarely injured at all.  Do you think that get him would get us to playoffs?  Knowing in fact, that if he goes down then we wont have a shot for it.

 

Edited November 7, 2020 by NekiEcko
I am tired of looking at Election Numbers

[NBASupes]

Part 2

Bradley Beal

He is not available. At all. The end. Teams are hoping he, but he isn’t. Washington is really trying to win this year. They are willing to spend and spend big. The priority is to resign Bertans the biggest goal is to space the floor Beal and Wall. A player who has been mentioned as a cheap target is Boogie Cousins. They really believe they have a chance to make the playoffs and be a good team in the East. Depth is their big, continued focus. People within the organization feel this is the best John Wall they have ever had. They believe he is still on an all-NBA level. People close to Beal says he feels the same way and they are extremely hopeful on Rui.

Indy

Indy has been in talks with Atlanta and a 3^rd team. This is a massive deal that has been in talks now for months, I even think I mentioned it on here before. Basically, the Atlanta part of the deal is done but the 3^rd team is still far away from where they need to be for Indy. The only players I can say are in this deal is Oladipo to the 3^rd team and Dedmon to one of the teams. This would be a major deal for all team involved. Indy is NOT rebuilding; they are simply retooling. They want to be a contender in the east like we want to be. They will be tight on offseason spending. Justin Holiday might be on the way out due to salary. Justin is getting a lot of interest from contenders for a mid MLE level player.

Brooklyn

Brooklyn is looking to move their pick and key players for a 3^rd or 4^th star considering how you see Caris. They have targeted a few players but really want one in Jrue Holiday. It is going to be tough to land him as others are also in the mix. The issue they have is Dinwiddle is expiring and his value to others is far less than his value to Brooklyn. A lot of teams have interest in Allen, but no one sees him as a centerpiece in the type of deal Brooklyn is looking to do.

Like Dallas, they are more open to a deal than people are open to doing a deal with. I do think they are a mid-season team that could make some major noise for a trade. Caris is NOT available for trades currently. All signs point to Caris being available for a bigger deal that is not on the table right now like Bradley Beal.

Dallas

Dallas wants a 3^rd star. In fact, have even called OKC for CP3 who has no interest in Dallas. Dallas due to limited resources have really been everywhere trying to make a deal. They are hoping to land Danilo in FA and they would like Dragic who I am being told is a near lock to return to MIA. The player they think they have a shot at is Evan Fournier, but it could cost them THJ for a SnT if he opts out. Dallas wants to use their MLE on a key rotation player, Christian Wood has come up as the main target in FA.

Lakers

Like Dallas, LA wants a 3^rd star. They might be in better shape to land one than Dallas. They are planning to resign KCP, AD, Rondo, and are looking at possibly signing TT who can defend all types of bigs as well. He is also getting attention from the Clippers. It seems like both are targeting the same players. The Lakers are another team I think could be a mid-season player for trades. They do not seem likely to sign a major player. A CP3 trade is too hard to do for them. They were high on Oladipo but Indy value is too high for what they can give.

Raptors

Extremely active and there is NO ONE on their roster they aren’t willing to trade at this time including Lowry if the price is right but note, the price is not right for Lowry, they want a key player for him so he’s not truly available atm. They are targeting resigning FVV in FA and have changed their plans this off-season several times. He confirmed that Brogdon’s base is the salary they would like to resign FVV at. They are fully engaged in operation Giannis 2021.

As I have said before, everyone is available from Toronto. Including Lowry but he is still expensive cost wise and trade wise. They would ideally like to keep Lowry but FVV is who they want to resign. A name no one is mentioning for them and someone they like is Danilo Gallinari who is considered by my guy to be a Denver lock if an offer ever came. Toronto has a very established Italian scene. They seemed to lose some interest in Harrell who was a lock. They are still interested in resigning Ibaka. No real feedback when it comes to Gasol.   

OKC

Outside of CP3, they have Adams and Schröder on the market if the price is right. As of right now, teams have not met it, but we will see if OKC is willing to take less which they have not showed so far. They are looking like big losers as they are going to get raided this off-season. It is best for them to trade guys this summer or risk killing their trade value when it drops but the trade value is not as high as they would like.

Boston

Boston is in an extremely tough position and have been extremely aggressive trying to get a center via trade or the draft. Have made offers for WCJ from CHI and Bamba from ORL. They are trying to move up to get a bigger asset to land a center or land Okongwu. What they are realizing is the meat of where everyone wants to be is in the 8 of the draft even if it is not 1-3 range. They are trying to move up but no one wants to move that far down.

They realized that Hayward is likely gone and are fine with that but ideally would love to trade him which will not happen. They are all in on targeting a center right now. There are hopes that they can resign Aron Baynes but there is a lot of comp for him. Boston is open to resigning Heyward but for 4/60-65 range. Not what he is seeking. Marc Gasol name has come up, but you will be competing with Europe for him as well which could be costly.

Boston is probably the most screwed team by COVID. The projected 2021 FA numbers were going to be 125 million and if Boston tells him to opt out this year and do a 4/70-4/75, they are living well as the cap could go all of the way up to 135-140 in 2024 but it’s likely going to be around 112-115 for the next three years. Ouch. That puts them in a major bind, and it is not their fault. Just the COVID world we live in. That said, they are being smart and at the end of the day, they have Tatum, Brown, Smart, Walker, and Theis. Walker ultimately must hold up. They cannot afford for him to go Heatles D. Wade or it kills their chances of being a true contender.

Atlanta

This team controls the off-season board along with the Knicks as they are looking at everything. The difference is, Atlanta has players, teams like what could be had. It is fair to say, Atlanta will keep #6. It is fair to say, they could trade down. It is fair to say, they could trade up. They have a lot of options and I do not know where they will go at this time with that pick. Atlanta has gotten offered by damn near everyone and offered some players to damn near everyone.

What is clear is Capela, Trae, De’Andre, and Cam are not going to be traded at all this year. What is also clear is it will take a lot to get them to move Kevin or JC. Because of Atlanta’s cap situation, they are very flexible.

Atlanta wants to resign JT0 and Skal to multi-year low-waged deals but JT0 wants a higher wage which will not happen from Atlanta. He basically wants to play for a winner and depending on what Atlanta does this off-season, he might be on the way out.

I already mention there are players and key people within the org that wants to move up in the draft and some who wants to move back or stay at #6. I do not know which way they will go but expect it to happen on draft night. I did get confirmation that Atlanta will be a player in buying a pick in the 2^nd round but do not lock it in.

Their biggest targets this off-season is:

G. Hayward

KCP who is expected to resign with LAL

Derrick Jones Jr. who is expected to have competition considering his wage demands.

Of course, resigning Skal and Jeff.

There obviously can be more but these were the ones I’ve heard we are serious about.

The Indy deal I mentioned earlier has a PG in it coming to Atlanta as well and that might remove the need for Jeff, but that deal is FAR from finalized due to the 3^rd team.

Everything I am hearing is they want to improve the depth from 7-13 without question. Bruno has been impressing people in TC and maybe he could fight for the backup 5 spot with Dedmon.

Travis is not in win-now mode, but he is looking into how to make his team a consistent championship contender is his goal. LP and Tony are in win now mode. LP does realize his job is on the line and that we have high expectations for 2020-21. This will not impact how Travis GM’s. He is not going to make hasty decisions is what he was told but he will make decisions that everyone will not always agree with. He knows the team as well as anyone. Also, my guy did not get an idea that Atlanta is in the 2021 camp for a key FA. That makes me think they can cash in this year if the right deals are available.

Houston

Houston goal is simple. They want to land a center for cheap without it costing RoCo who he has gotten word is critical to them. They are targeting Myles Turner but was told HOU does not have enough to land him. They like Vucevic from ORL but he was told Tucker/Gordon would not be enough.

They are really trying to bring a center who can stretch the floor. Baynes is a guy they like but so does Boston and some others. Boogie Cousins has been mentioned as a guy that Houston is interested in but so is LA who could lose both Dwight and McGee. KCP has been mentioned as an MLE target. Houston wants to win a title, and honestly, they could have a better shot than people give them credit for considering they are willing to spend. They want to resign Jeff Green, and a couple of others.

While HOU is not interested in trading James, he has heard from others that Houston will consider trading Harden if they get two young under long contract stars. Meaning, if they land Embiid and Simmons, they will consider trading Harden although they are not interested in trading Harden period. Another trade like that would be Booker and Ayton for Harden. Houston already turned something like this down to a degree already many months ago but in a 3-way deal. Based on what he has gotten directly from HOU, HOU is James Harden, we are not trading him unless he wants out.

Contrary to popular belief, HOU is willing to pay the LT for 2020-21. A few teams are whose franchise player could be in limbo. These players are worth more than half of the franchise value to the team. They need them.

[Sothron]

3 minutes ago, NBASupes said:

Hayward was literally the 2nd best player for Boston in the bubble before the injury. He adds tremendous value for a wing which is extremely hard to find in FA/trade or the draft. He would be overpriced but you got to pay to add talent in that market especially at that position. 

The key words there were "before the injury". He gets hurts a lot and is a huge durability question mark.

I'm not going to freak out if we trade for him without giving up the farm since to me we're doing them a favor by taking on his contract. I just worry that getting him means they won't pay JC. I'd much rather have JC than Hayward going forward.

[Blunt91]

8 minutes ago, NBASupes said:

I am about to post on the Hawks in Part 2 but I'll address this leak from what I got now. 

1. This is partly true, teams been getting an idea for more than a couple of days but getting them to confirm their interest is hard. 

2. This one was bigger than defense or anything like that. Atlanta knew they needed to make the coaching room as good as any in the NBA if they wanted to win games. Having a coach of this caliber is priceless. 

3. Atlanta past on Jrue due to the cost. 

4. He never mentioned Utah having interest and based on what I have, that's not likely going to happen. 

5. Unless he's talking about Hayward, that's simply not going to happen in terms of a vet. Hayward is the only vet they are targeting that's much of a scorer or has that much offensive value. 

6. Somewhat but not really. Teams throw out players wanting the moon considering the stated player. RoCo could be had for a star but who wants to trade a star for RoCo? 

7. It's hard to say, I will address tomorrow. The value has to be there, not just the interest. 

So the Hawks gave no interest in trading for Buddy Hield? I checked his stats and he avg 19.2ppg this past season. This firs what the reddit guy stated.

[NBASupes]

15 minutes ago, JayBirdHawk said:

 

Is he opting out to resign a new deal or is it a trade for his $34million dollar contract, then sign next season?

Based on the limited rise in projected Cap of a modest increase of $2 million for the 2022 season, I'm not comfortable with an Al Horford type contract. When Al signed that deal, the cap was expected to rise by at least $9 million per year.

I can't say for sure. For all I know, the deal could be a lot smaller than presumed. I just know his agent is seeking an Al Horford type of deal and Boston is open to doing a 4/60-4/65 deal and that's clearly not what he's targeting.