Hawks DID SIGN BB (Bogdan Bogdanović) 4 years $72 million. (UPDATE)

[Marvin24Williams]

3 minutes ago, High5 said:

I feel more and more like the Kings will match. Even if it's not in their best interest, losing Bogi for nothing after that failed SnT seems like too much to stomach after all the L's they've taken in recent years. 

Yeah I have it 60/40 Sacramento favored. Like you said, I just don’t see them wanting to lose him for nothing. 

[JTB]

1 minute ago, High5 said:

I feel more and more like the Kings will match. Even if it's not in their best interest, losing Bogi for nothing after that failed SnT seems like too much to stomach after all the L's they've taken in recent years. 

I think that’s the issue with teams like the kings. They don’t do well managing money and building teams and players together that complement one another then another team puts them in positions like this where they are going to have an unbelievable amount of money wrapped up in just the back court.

yes I want the hawks to get Bogi obviously but since Buddys market is all dried up it doesn’t really make sense depending on what the plans are for this season .
 

Just to note I heard on nba radio that Bogi is not happy with SAC and would like to move on. It’s possible they bring back a disgruntled player if they match as well.

[JTB]

2 minutes ago, Marvin24Williams said:

Yeah I have it 60/40 Sacramento favored. Like you said, I just don’t see them wanting to lose him for nothing. 

I honestly don’t believe Schlenk does the deal if he thought they’d match it easily.....that trade kicker being added on is a killer!  
 

they could match it of course but Schlenk really screwed them over in the details of the contract making them think more than twice about matching ....buddys market will be dry again next off season with the loaded backcourt plus as we know it just doesn’t work with him there.

 

im still very confident Bogi will be a hawk tomorrow officially at 12pm but we will see.

[TheNorthCydeRises]

49 minutes ago, JeffS17 said:

Meh, this forum overrates Collins pretty hard imo... the guy gets spoon fed buckets, which is why he's so efficient.  He's a really good shooter for his size but Gallo is better there.  I'd like to see Gallo run in lineups with Trae before claiming Collins is better offensively.  I personally believe Collins would be easy to shut down in the playoffs since half his points are dunks/oops/put backs.  Gallo seems to be able to get buckets from anywhere.

So it's because of Trae, or the system that we run, that's why he's so good?

Did people forget what this guy did in college?  He's always been this good around the rim.

The reason why he fell to 19th, was because scouts didn't think he could shoot.

Now he's proven that he can shoot.

And he's proven that he can ball without Trae in the few games he's been the focal point by himself.

What more do ya'll want to see out of Collins?

 

 

[Atlantaholic]

2 hours ago, Lurker said:

If Bogdan doesn't get matched, I do think you start him instead of Gallo.

Young/Bogdanovic/Reddish/Collins/Capela

Gallo is your 6th man and splits minutes between the 3 and 4. Collins leaves early and headlines the bench lineup. 

Not totally sure on how you'd divide the minutes.

This is my vision as well. 

[Threezus]

45 minutes ago, GameTime said:

Sac fans are proposing Hield for Hunter and two unprotected 1sts.

I wouldn't give them Hunter or either of those 1st for Hield just by themselves much less all 3 of them O.o  

[RedDawg#8]

10 minutes ago, TheNorthCydeRises said:

So it's because of Trae, or the system that we run, that's why he's so good?

Did people forget what this guy did in college?  He's always been this good around the rim.

The reason why he fell to 19th, was because scouts didn't think he could shoot.

Now he's proven that he can shoot.

And he's proven that he can ball without Trae in the few games he's been the focal point by himself.

What more do ya'll want to see out of Collins?

 

 

Exactly, the only negatives were shooting and short arms.

He is a stud

[Diesel]

42 minutes ago, High5 said:

I feel more and more like the Kings will match. Even if it's not in their best interest, losing Bogi for nothing after that failed SnT seems like too much to stomach after all the L's they've taken in recent years. 

The Kings fans will match... Wait and Year and then trade him with no kicker. 

It makes more sense.   It's not about if Bogi is good or not.. it's about do other teams want him.   Believe me.. Bogi has benefited from a failed deal, a weak draft, and a weak FA class.   IF there were other FAs of value out here, Bogi's name would not have been called for this much. 

So...I agree.. it's good Business that the Kings get something for him.  The owner is talking strong.

[Diesel]

38 minutes ago, JTB said:

I think that’s the issue with teams like the kings. They don’t do well managing money and building teams and players together that complement one another then another team puts them in positions like this where they are going to have an unbelievable amount of money wrapped up in just the back court.

yes I want the hawks to get Bogi obviously but since Buddys market is all dried up it doesn’t really make sense depending on what the plans are for this season .
 

Just to note I heard on nba radio that Bogi is not happy with SAC and would like to move on. It’s possible they bring back a disgruntled player if they match as well.

They will have 2.  But they are the ones who have to think value and not happiness.   It would be dumb business for them not to match.  They would have to stick it out for a year... but after that they can trade.   Moreover,  Buddy's contract is not as bad as you think. It declines.  That works well for a trade on him because he's a natural shooter. 

[JayBirdHawk]

Just now, Diesel said:

The Kings fans will match... Wait and Year and then trade him with no kicker. 

It makes more sense.   It's not about if Bogi is good or not.. it's about do other teams want him.   Believe me.. Bogi has benefited from a failed deal, a weak draft, and a weak FA class.   IF there were other FAs of value out here, Bogi's name would not have been called for this much. 

So...I agree.. it's good Business that the Kings get something for him.  The owner is talking strong.

Nope. The trade kicker still applies on the remaining guaranteed years.  He was going the the Bucks for around $15 million. LAL was interested in a SnT after the failed Bucks trade. Boston thought they could get him using the $20 mil TPE if they managed a SnT with the Hornets.

The Market is what it is.  Look at what Joe Harris and Bertans got.

[Diesel]

30 minutes ago, TheNorthCydeRises said:

So it's because of Trae, or the system that we run, that's why he's so good?

Did people forget what this guy did in college?  He's always been this good around the rim.

The reason why he fell to 19th, was because scouts didn't think he could shoot.

Now he's proven that he can shoot.

And he's proven that he can ball without Trae in the few games he's been the focal point by himself.

What more do ya'll want to see out of Collins?

 

 

I'm not going to disagree with you.  BUT I want to point this out to you..

The video you choose shows:

3 alley opps

2 scores on the break

4 put backs

and only 2 scores back to the basket (one hook shoot and one nice turn around)

and several free throws.

This video doesn't prove your point. 

Like I said, it's hard to know if he's Karl Malone or Vin Baker.  In their prime, both of these men played with good PGs.  However, it was muddy when you tried to figure out if it was the skill of the PG, the System, or the players themselves that made them as efficient as they were. 

 

[Diesel]

7 minutes ago, JayBirdHawk said:

Nope. The trade kicker still applies on the remaining guaranteed years.  He was going the the Bucks for around $15 million. LAL was interested in a SnT after the failed Bucks trade. Boston thought they could get him using the $20 mil TPE if they managed a SnT with the Hornets.

The Market is what it is.  Look at what Joe Harris and Bertans got.

Yeah.. but the Market is lacking notable FAs.  There's an unnatural inflation going on for guys who are not notable.   This may continue to be the trend.  I mean if teams keep signing their top guys before their free agent year, we may see more weak FA classes that get guys inflated contracts.   But everybody knows that a lot of guys have been overpaid.

[marco102]

Perkins is very bullish on Bogi with the Hawks.  From his mouth to god's ears...lol.

 

[RedDawg#8]

26 minutes ago, Diesel said:

I'm not going to disagree with you.  BUT I want to point this out to you..

The video you choose shows:

3 alley opps

2 scores on the break

4 put backs

and only 2 scores back to the basket (one hook shoot and one nice turn around)

and several free throws.

This video doesn't prove your point. 

Like I said, it's hard to know if he's Karl Malone or Vin Baker.  In their prime, both of these men played with good PGs.  However, it was muddy when you tried to figure out if it was the skill of the PG, the System, or the players themselves that made them as efficient as they were. 

 

There is something to be said for a big man that knows how to get himself open.

I think that is an aspect of his game that people sleep on. I've seen a lot of talented big men in Hawks uniforms that did not work the PnR as well as JC does. His feel in the half court is as natural as it gets. 

There is a reason you dont see guys with his stat line AND percentages everyday. Its not just because of Trae Young, because JC displayed it his rookie year too without Trae. No other Hawks big looks as good as JC does next to Trae either. 

Finishing ability is a talent, getting open is a talent.

Setting good picks, reading the defense and knowing exactly where to be so that the guard can find you is a talent.

Being able to bang with all your weight, find balance, jump and still have a soft shooting touch with either hand is a talent.

Rebounding, as we have seen from previous bigs, is not a given just because you are tall and can jump.

John has more heart, toughness, and durability banging for rebounds than Captain Al did, especially  after his peck injury.

People see easy buckets, but I see a skilled, smart, tough, and athletic big man with a ton of talent, and none of it wasted like so many other Hawks before him. He plays hard and he plays the right way. 

Thats why you keep him, thats why you pay him.

And on yeah, all this "winning impact" nonsense gets put to rest when the Hawks are a playoff squad next season. JC was never on a team that was built to win. Now he is. Narrative going to change real fast just like it will for Trae.

 

 

[JeffS17]

2 hours ago, TheNorthCydeRises said:

So it's because of Trae, or the system that we run, that's why he's so good?

Did people forget what this guy did in college?  He's always been this good around the rim.

The reason why he fell to 19th, was because scouts didn't think he could shoot.

Now he's proven that he can shoot.

And he's proven that he can ball without Trae in the few games he's been the focal point by himself.

What more do ya'll want to see out of Collins?

 

 

I don't really disagree with your points, but if I'm being honest, the answer is I want to see him in the playoffs.  I don't really worry about Trae underperforming in the playoffs, but I could definitely see it happening for Collins.  This is really my hesitation... college feels irrelevant to me because of the type of player he is -- he's bigger and more athletic than those college players and can bully them.  I don't know if that will be the case in the playoffs.

 

I watched him a lot last year and he struggles against dominant rim protecting bigs.  He put up like 8 points on Milwaukee?  Struggled against Jarrett Allen... etc.  He feels really volatile to me and I think the volatility is going to swing the wrong way when we enter playoff basketball.  I genuinely hope I'm wrong because I like the guy, but I do feel like most of his monster games are against bad/tanking teams or teams with really weak rim protectors.

[JTB]

1 hour ago, JeffS17 said:

I don't really disagree with your points, but if I'm being honest, the answer is I want to see him in the playoffs.  I don't really worry about Trae underperforming in the playoffs, but I could definitely see it happening for Collins.  This is really my hesitation... college feels irrelevant to me because of the type of player he is -- he's bigger and more athletic than those college players and can bully them.  I don't know if that will be the case in the playoffs.

 

I watched him a lot last year and he struggles against dominant rim protecting bigs.  He put up like 8 points on Milwaukee?  Struggled against Jarrett Allen... etc.  He feels really volatile to me and I think the volatility is going to swing the wrong way when we enter playoff basketball.  I genuinely hope I'm wrong because I like the guy, but I do feel like most of his monster games are against bad/tanking teams or teams with really weak rim protectors.

Bruh! Collins be dominating Jarrett Allen!

are you sure you watched those net games????

Collins did struggle against the bucks and Giannis but Giannis isn’t the DPOY for no reason. As far as Jarrett Allen though no sir! Collins shits on Allen , Allen can’t keep up with collins speed. I think you may be thinking about Orlando ...collins did struggle against Jonathan Isaac a few times if I recall it right.

[JTB]

6 minutes ago, JTB said:

Bruh! Collins be dominating Jarrett Allen!

are you sure you watched those net games????

Collins did struggle against the bucks and Giannis but Giannis isn’t the DPOY for no reason. As far as Jarrett Allen though no sir! Collins shits on Allen , Allen can’t keep up with collins speed. I think you may be thinking about Orlando ...collins did struggle against Jonathan Isaac a few times if I recall it right.

No seriously Jarrett Allen is a horrible matchup vs collins. In fact it’s one of collins better teams he scores again from what I remember on all the games .

Here’s more...article and another video

https://soaringdownsouth.com/2019/01/11/atlanta-hawks-john-collins-historic-stat-line-nets/

 

 
@JeffS17 Wait theres more...I just have to find it. I believe collins scores close to 30 if not 30 every time we played the nets the past two seasons 

Edited November 24, 2020 by JTB

[Diesel]

3 hours ago, marco102 said:

Perkins is very bullish on Bogi with the Hawks.  From his mouth to god's ears...lol.

 

Perk is talking about the wrong Bogi. 

 

[JTB]

@JeffS17 here we go....

https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/john-collins-vs-nets-every-game
 

you were right there was a 8 point game vs the nets and another outing where John only had 5 pts but only played 15 minutes that game. However collins has clearly dominated in games vs the nets 

[RedDawg#8]

15 minutes ago, Diesel said:

Perk is talking about the wrong Bogi. 

 

Perkins also claimed the Celtics were big winners in FAgency. Even when the other 2 were like, nah they are definitely losers. He doubled down after. Cant take him seriously. He is still better than Paul Pierce though.