My guy has talked around NBA circles of late

[JayBirdHawk]

4 minutes ago, GameTime said:

Don't get me too excited Supes.

That's how you get disappointed.  Trade can happen in the offseason 

[bleachkit]

3 minutes ago, JayBirdHawk said:

That's how you get disappointed.  Trade can happen in the offseason 

Philly would not be wise to wait until the off season. What if Philly goes to the ECF and comes up just short? Not trading at the deadline would not be a good look in retrospect. You have a generational big with an extensive injury history, you can't waste a year of his prime.

[gurpilo]

hace 12 minutos, NBASupes dijo:

We want Simmons but we have a limit. Philly wants Hunter and JC but doesn't want to pay Harris and do this deal. Atlanta hasn't shown interest in trading Hunter so far and Harris is not appealing at all. And as I've said, JC is on their list. He's the only one that's been in talks from any team on their list. 

A trade will eventually get done but Philly will have to find a home for Harris. 

Ok so let's start a basic discussion, is Simmon's value really higher than Collins? Because I really have my doubts. Prime Ben probably is but we cannot act as this Simmons is prime Ben, the guy seems to have real mental issues, Is he really a guy you would trust on playoffs over Collins? I don't

[gurpilo]

Simmons improved on his second year, regressed a litle on 3rd season and regressed seriously on 4th season specially on playoffs where he was clearly exposed and imploded.

Collins has improved all seasons, last 2 seasons he is holding his value with less involvement. 

I would not trade Collins for Simmons.

[thecampster]

14 minutes ago, gurpilo said:

Ok so let's start a basic discussion, is Simmon's value really higher than Collins? Because I really have my doubts. Prime Ben probably is but we cannot act as this Simmons is prime Ben, the guy seems to have real mental issues, Is he really a guy you would trust on playoffs over Collins? I don't

Yes!!! New discussion?

[Diesel]

[Spud2nique]

1 hour ago, JayBirdHawk said:

It's all fluid.

[NBASupes]

Based on what's going on right now, if I had to predict five moves, here they are. Last two Hawks: 

1. http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yd5bdzph Won't be done till the trade deadline. Will wait to see what happens with Simmons first.

2. http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ybve94xy LP really liked Deni in the process. WAS does this only if

3. this fails. http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ybkrj52z

4. HOU gets 43, 47, 48 from MIN plus: http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine

5. Blockbuster: http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ybsndtbj Not adding picks, if it happens, it happens. 

 

Players I think will get traded that's not listed: Tobias Harris, Julius Randle, Norm Powell, Christian Wood, Gary Clark, Terrance Ross, and Harrison Barnes.  

[Diesel]

17 minutes ago, gurpilo said:

Ok so let's start a basic discussion, is Simmon's value really higher than Collins? Because I really have my doubts. Prime Ben probably is but we cannot act as this Simmons is prime Ben, the guy seems to have real mental issues, Is he really a guy you would trust on playoffs over Collins? I don't

Before the meltdown.

Definitely. 

After the meltdown...

It's based on what you believe. If you believe that Ben is Broken... then No.  However, if you believe that Ben's camp is putting out a lot of stuff to keep the checks coming... Then yes.   JC is efficient but he's not high usage.  He's the little boy who can draw perfect pictures but he may get you 1 picture every 6 months.   While they are other little boys putting out pictures every week.   The thing that stands out about Simmons is his defense and his ability to run the offense.   That's what makes him a really good match for Trae.  But if you trade JC to get Simmons, then you lost out on the effeciency that could have been a finisher to Simmons passing.

 

[Spud2nique]

Just now, NBASupes said:

Based on what's going on right now, if I had to predict five moves, here they are. Last two Hawks: 

1. http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yd5bdzph Won't be done till the trade deadline. Will wait to see what happens with Simmons first.

2. http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ybve94xy LP really liked Deni in the process. WAS does this only if

3. this fails. http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ybkrj52z

4. HOU gets 43, 47, 48 from MIN plus: http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine

5. Blockbuster: http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ybsndtbj Not adding picks, if it happens, it happens. 

 

Players I think will get traded that's not listed: Tobias Harris, Julius Randle, Norm Powell, Christian Wood, Gary Clark, Terrance Ross, and Harrison Barnes.  

Add Fox  

[Spud2nique]

Tobias Harris reading all this be like..

Damn I went from underrated in the league 5 years ago to nobody wantin my a$$, well ain’t that a b!tch! #mo$moproblems #igot99problemsifeelbad4mesun
 

 

[NBASupes]

5 minutes ago, NBASupes said:

Based on what's going on right now, if I had to predict five moves, here they are. Last two Hawks: 

1. http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yd5bdzph Won't be done till the trade deadline. Will wait to see what happens with Simmons first.

2. http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ybve94xy LP really liked Deni in the process. WAS does this only if

3. this fails. http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ybkrj52z

4. HOU gets 43, 47, 48 from MIN plus: http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine

5. Blockbuster: http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ybsndtbj Not adding picks, if it happens, it happens. 

 

Players I think will get traded that's not listed: Tobias Harris, Julius Randle, Norm Powell, Christian Wood, Gary Clark, Terrance Ross, and Harrison Barnes.  

If Tobi is traded, here's where I think he would go: http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ybp6lc9z

Note, replace Ryan and Evan with Randle. Randle isn't eligible for trade till Feb 2th. It will be him and Burks. 

Edited January 19, 2022 by NBASupes

[Diesel]

JC = Captain America. 

Trae = Thor.

Getting Ben Simmons would be like getting Magneto.

 

[Spud2nique]

5 minutes ago, Spud2nique said:

Add Fox  

Aye Supes you missed ..

Meanwhile Supes..

1 minute ago, Diesel said:

JC = Captain America. 

Trae = Thor.

Getting Ben Simmons would be like getting Magneto.

 

Is this anime? 

[Spud2nique]

Ok Fox and Hali staying put.

The Sacramento Kings have informed teams that they want to continue building around De'Aaron Fox and Tyrese Haliburton and don't have plans to trade either player, sources tell Shams Charania of The Athletic.

The Kings have informed Fox and his representation, Chris Gaston, of their position.

The Kings have been linked in trade rumors with both the Philadelphia 76ers for Ben Simmons and Indiana Pacers for Domantas Sabonis.

[ShooterSays]

42 minutes ago, Spud2nique said:

Ok Fox and Hali staying put.

The Sacramento Kings have informed teams that they want to continue building around De'Aaron Fox and Tyrese Haliburton and don't have plans to trade either player, sources tell Shams Charania of The Athletic.

The Kings have informed Fox and his representation, Chris Gaston, of their position.

The Kings have been linked in trade rumors with both the Philadelphia 76ers for Ben Simmons and Indiana Pacers for Domantas Sabonis.

Nice. I’d assume this helps our leverage in the Simmons situation.

[AHF]

1 hour ago, gurpilo said:

Ok so let's start a basic discussion, is Simmon's value really higher than Collins? Because I really have my doubts. Prime Ben probably is but we cannot act as this Simmons is prime Ben, the guy seems to have real mental issues, Is he really a guy you would trust on playoffs over Collins? I don't

I think in terms of trade value it is a no-brainer that Simmons has higher value than Collins.

In terms of who is better going forward, Simmons has this as well but it isn't without risk.  JC is about as steady and predictable as you can get.  You largely know his strengths and limitations and he has been a team guy the whole time.  Simmons has red flags of four different flavors but has shown to be significantly more of a game changer when he is engaged.  Simmons is harder to trust but easier to see as someone who makes a big impact in a series.  I love JC but he struggled to make a positive impact on both sides of the floor for much of the playoffs in all 3 series.  I would hope he improves in his next go around but Simmons is like a 14, 8 and 8 guy who plays elite defense.

[NBASupes]

1 hour ago, gurpilo said:

Ok so let's start a basic discussion, is Simmon's value really higher than Collins? Because I really have my doubts. Prime Ben probably is but we cannot act as this Simmons is prime Ben, the guy seems to have real mental issues, Is he really a guy you would trust on playoffs over Collins? I don't

Yea, it is. JC has higher value than all of these other guys but Simmons is still seen as a special talent even if he's a difficult piece to fit. 

[hylndr11]

1 hour ago, GameTime said:

Don't get me too excited Supes.

Why do we really want Simmons this bad, I get the basketball part of it and the player he is on the court, not me but many many , coaches, ex players, analysts, fans etcetc whatever any demo you want to call sees buddy has been sent/went down one of worse paths a pro athlete has ever taken by clutch sports or maybe himself, because he doesn't want to shoot a ball?  Maybe I don't know something the rest of you guys do but some need go back and look at everything that has transpired in that situation again and seriously ask urself think this is going to get us to the top and not just being itchy cuz we're not winning first half of the season.  Most ppl are flipping out that philly thinks there getting a haul for this dude, and they might,. But the risk is huge, or is it not? Or we waiting for them to give the guy away? This board is pretty objective so I've been surprised by all this excitement for this guy

[Watchman]

5 hours ago, JeffS17 said:

It looks like you're comparing only this years stats but if you look at Tobi last year he looks like a very very good player: 20 PPG on basically 50/40/90.  And probably more importantly, he's not catching lobs and only shooting corner 3s to get his stats.  IMO he's a better and more well rounded player than JC.  JC is still on a much much better contract and I wouldn't want Harris on that contract but I think people here underrate him and probably overrate Collins.  If we do trade Collins, I'm interested to see what his production and efficiency looks like playing without Trae.

 

It will increase tremendously.  Other teams probably have enough sense to use someone like JC rather than sending him to stand in the corner a wait for a three point opportunity.