Official Game Thread: Hawks at Kings

[AHF]

2 minutes ago, bleachkit said:

Since CC can't shoot, and he basically has to occupy the lane, JC is forced out to the perimeter where his skills are not best utilized. There's no good answer to this problem.

The one thing we can and should do more of is making a deliberate effort to get JC scoring in the 20.5 minutes when CC is off the floor.  That isn't half the game but is pretty close to half the game.  JC scoring is always nice because he is so efficient and productive with his opportunities.  His limitation is that it isn't going to be scalable beyond the 20 ppg (without CC) that he has shown because he doesn't have enough ability to create his own shot.  But even this season with his struggles from 3 he is still scoring at a nice .582% TS% clip and we could use more of that on a team that is near the bottom of the league in scoring efficiency.  I would say we have seen something closer to a deliberate effort to marginalize JC as a scorer (i.e., do less to feature him or offer him meaningful opportunities beyond clean-up and standing on the perimeter) than a deliberate effort to maximize the efficient scoring he can offer.

[Diesel]

CAPTION THIS...

Kev:  Who ate the Last Corndog?

Dude:  You see, this is what I'm talking about... Always Blaming us for something.   He's another Karen.

Women:  I admit it... I did it.   They said that corndogs help you win!!  I'm sorry...

 

[MarylandHawk]

21 minutes ago, Diesel said:

Yeah... I think that Nate didn't mail it in last night.   He was engaged.    I think about his situation.....

He's possibly a HOF coach.  Played the game at a high level.   

But...  
Over the past weeks... most of the season, he has had to feel undermined.  Undermined by who?

1.  Ownership.     Nate didn't want to trade away Kev.   I honestly think Kev was one of Nate's favs...  And he was traded for pennies on the dollar. 

2.  Trae.  There's a power struggle going on above Nate's head.. and Trae is in the midst of it. 

3.  Landry.   I think Travis was Nate's guy.  I think Travis protected Nate to a degree.  I think Nate knows the game, Landry is going to want his own guys in place and has the green light from Nick. 

 

We talk about Nate's stubbornness.  I hope he takes the "I'm going to give my best coaching on my way out" approach.   

Keep using offensive plays Nate.   Force them to listen to you.  Everybody's happy when we win.

I think that is a very real perspective for him. If he has to go out, go out swinging. Don’t just stand with arms folded hoping the guys get it together.  If he wants to seal his hall of fame bid, he has to turn this thing around fast and get us back into contention. 

[Diesel]

3 minutes ago, MarylandHawk said:

I think that is a very real perspective for him. If he has to go out, go out swinging. Don’t just stand with arms folded hoping the guys get it together.  If he wants to seal his hall of fame bid, he has to turn this thing around fast and get us back into contention. 

I agree with this.   In the middle of his career, I believe he became reliant on vets to carry his team.   Give little direction, being a players coach, and letting the vets and star players do what they do. 

Well, that won't work with this bunch.  They are too ego driven.   Trae, DJ, and Bogi all have that ball hoggery gene.   Trae, Hunter, and many of the rest can be sometimey on defensive effort.   Especially when Clint is not there barking at them.   JC and Hunter can easily be lost in the sauce.

These are the areas where a coaches voice and presence is needed.   This ship doesn't really right itself.  It will continue to go in that direction unless a new voice arises.   Not a blaming voice.. but a hey.. we have to do it this way voice.   Last night.. even during the breaks, Nate was coaching.   He was talking to guys and they were responding. 

 

 

[Diesel]

For the rest of the season.  4th qtr State Farm Arena should be met with the Clean Version of this:

 

A reminder to the team of what we need to do...

 

[MarylandHawk]

8 minutes ago, Diesel said:

I agree with this.   In the middle of his career, I believe he became reliant on vets to carry his team.   Give little direction, being a players coach, and letting the vets and star players do what they do. 

Well, that won't work with this bunch.  They are too ego driven.   Trae, DJ, and Bogi all have that ball hoggery gene.   Trae, Hunter, and many of the rest can be sometimey on defensive effort.   Especially when Clint is not there barking at them.   JC and Hunter can easily be lost in the sauce.

These are the areas where a coaches voice and presence is needed.   This ship doesn't really right itself.  It will continue to go in that direction unless a new voice arises.   Not a blaming voice.. but a hey.. we have to do it this way voice.   Last night.. even during the breaks, Nate was coaching.   He was talking to guys and they were responding. 

 

 

This is so spot on. Particularly the comment about coaching veteran players. Another reason why that ECF squad was effective. Gallo, Lou, the Knife, Snell, Clint, Bogi and even Rondo early on were guys he could count on to figure it out and rally the other guys. He does not have that luxury now. He has to do it.  Trae, John, and DeJounte are learning how to do it but are running into rough patches. 

[warcore]

44 minutes ago, Diesel said:

He's possibly a HOF coach. 

puff puff PASS Diesel

[JayBirdHawk]

33 minutes ago, AHF said:

The one thing we can and should do more of is making a deliberate effort to get JC scoring in the 20.5 minutes when CC is off the floor.  That isn't half the game but is pretty close to half the game.  JC scoring is always nice because he is so efficient and productive with his opportunities.  His limitation is that it isn't going to be scalable beyond the 20 ppg (without CC) that he has shown because he doesn't have enough ability to create his own shot.  But even this season with his struggles from 3 he is still scoring at a nice .582% TS% clip and we could use more of that on a team that is near the bottom of the league in scoring efficiency.  I would say we have seen something closer to a deliberate effort to marginalize JC as a scorer (i.e., do less to feature him or offer him meaningful opportunities beyond clean-up and standing on the perimeter) than a deliberate effort to maximize the efficient scoring he can offer.

very well laid out. 

Particular when he has mismatches, the ball needs to get to him on time.  His ability to hit freethrows (if the refs give him the call) is also helpful 

[kg01]

10 minutes ago, warcore said:

puff puff PASS Diesel

It's not a testament to a coach's greatness, it's an acknowledgement of the low bar to get into the basketball HOF.

[Diesel]

3 minutes ago, warcore said:

puff puff PASS Diesel

COACH	GP	W	Win %	PPG	RPG	APG	SPG	FG%	3P%	FT%
Gregg Popovich	2083	1,356	65	100.9	43	22.8	7.3	46.7	37.1	75
Don Nelson	2398	1,335	56	108.2						76.3
Lenny Wilkens	2487	1,332	54	102.8	44.4	24				75.2
Jerry Sloan	2024	1,221	60	101.3	41.8	25.2	8.2	48	34.8	76.3
Pat Riley	1904	1,210	64	102.5	43	24.8		48		74.7
George Karl	1999	1,175	59	104.8	42.1	23.7	9.1	47.1	36	75.6
Phil Jackson	1640	1,155	70	103.1	43.7	24.1	8.4	47.2	35.6	73.7
Larry Brown	2002	1,098	55	99.9						73.9
Doc Rivers	1815	1,066	59	103.2	42	22.7	8	46.5	36.7	75.7
Rick Adelman	1791	1,042	58	104	44	23.6	8.4	45.7	35.2	76.1
Bill Fitch	2050	944	46	104.9	45	23.9				74.1
Red Auerbach	1419	938	66	103
d*ck Motta	1952	935	48	106.5						75.4
Rick Carlisle	1646	882	54	101.4	42	22.2	7.4	45.3	35.7	77.6
Jack Ramsay	1647	864	52	110.5					26.6	75
Cotton Fitzsimmons	1607	832	52	110.7						75.6
Gene Shue	1645	784	48	107.4						74.3
Nate McMillan	1369	722	53	100.2	41.1	21.8	7.5	45.8	36.6	77.1
John MacLeod	1364	707	52	107.9	44.1	26.5		48.3	28	76.2
Red Holzman	1300	696	54	104.9						74.1
Erik Spoelstra	1152	680	59	102.8	41.9	22.3	7.7	46.7	36.1	75.8
Mike D'Antoni	1199	672	56	107.2	42.1	22.9	7.6	46.1	36.5	77.3
Mike Fratello	1215	667	55	99.6	41.1	22.7	8.4	46.7	35.6	75.7
Flip Saunders	1246	654	52	97.1	41.8	23.1	7.3	45.4	35.1	76.6
Chuck Daly	1075	638	59	105.3	45.1	24.4		47.1	30.7	76

 

 

Based on the list... this is the list.   Nate is borderline?  I mean Cotton Fitzsimmons and Bill Fitch are in the Hall but d*ck Motta and Jack Ramsey are not.   This last leg could be the deciding factor of if he gets in or not.

 

[kg01]

How is Dr. Jack Ramsey not in the HOF based off his announcing alone?  Basketball has the stupidest hall. 

[JayBirdHawk]

1 hour ago, cam1218 said:

There are a lot of us that want to see the offense ran through JC more often. No need to worry though, in about 2 weeks his touches will go down and the trade rumors will unfortunately come back lol.

I don't necessarily want the offense run through him, I just need him to get touches on the inside and mid post particularly when he has a mismatch and definitely when he is hot.  I don't want him camping out at the 3pt line like he's Davis Bertans.

DJ understands:

 

 

[JayBirdHawk]

On 1/3/2023 at 1:17 AM, JayBirdHawk said:

Looks like Tarzan, plays like Jane.

I think Hunter didn't like my comment ^^.  He actually used his size, length and speed last night.  

Now....let's see a repeat of this on Friday.

[Spud2nique]

1 hour ago, kg01 said:

Caption contest,

I tried to play the caption this but apparently it’s by Diesel, he didn’t laugh at my captions but reposted the same thing and pretending he didn’t see it. He gets weird with those but ill play anyways.  

1 hour ago, Diesel said:

CAPTION THIS...

Kev:  Who ate the Last Corndog?

Dude:  You see, this is what I'm talking about... Always Blaming us for something.   He's another Karen.

Women:  I admit it... I did it.   They said that corndogs help you win!!  I'm sorry...

 

See .. 

As posters, I have many a scouting report.  

[JayBirdHawk]

2 minutes ago, Spud2nique said:

As posters, I have many a scouting report.  

[Spud2nique]

11 hours ago, Spud2nique said:

DM with the beautiful rip. Before that the AND 1! 
 

Kudos to Hunter he stepped up. JC was a mad. OO battled Sabonis in a fun physical matchup. 
 

Here is DM with the rip again.

@kg01 no shout out for my first take picture fast twitch capturing of the steal? I shot the dang thing when DM picked it, albeit the replay but FIRST TAKE!  

[Diesel]

6 minutes ago, Spud2nique said:

I tried to play the caption this but apparently it’s by Diesel, he didn’t laugh at my captions but reposted the same thing and pretending he didn’t see it. He gets weird with those but ill play anyways.  

See .. 

As posters, I have many a scouting report.  

You're right.. I did take yours for inspiration.   

My Bad.

 

[Spud2nique]

6 minutes ago, Diesel said:

You're right.. I did take yours for inspiration.   

My Bad.

 

I just saw the other thread ..

 

[Diesel]

ACH	GP	W	Win %	PPG	RPG	APG	SPG	FG%	3P%	FT%
Gregg Popovich	2083	1,356	65	100.9	43	22.8	7.3	46.7	37.1	75
Don Nelson	2398	1,335	56	108.2						76.3
Lenny Wilkens	2487	1,332	54	102.8	44.4	24				75.2
Jerry Sloan	2024	1,221	60	101.3	41.8	25.2	8.2	48	34.8	76.3
Pat Riley	1904	1,210	64	102.5	43	24.8		48		74.7
George Karl	1999	1,175	59	104.8	42.1	23.7	9.1	47.1	36	75.6
Phil Jackson	1640	1,155	70	103.1	43.7	24.1	8.4	47.2	35.6	73.7
Larry Brown	2002	1,098	55	99.9						73.9
Doc Rivers	1815	1,066	59	103.2	42	22.7	8	46.5	36.7	75.7
Rick Adelman	1791	1,042	58	104	44	23.6	8.4	45.7	35.2	76.1
Bill Fitch	2050	944	46	104.9	45	23.9				74.1
Red Auerbach	1419	938	66	103
d*ck Motta	1952	935	48	106.5						75.4
Rick Carlisle	1646	882	54	101.4	42	22.2	7.4	45.3	35.7	77.6
Jack Ramsay	1647	864	52	110.5					26.6	75
Cotton Fitzsimmons	1607	832	52	110.7						75.6
Gene Shue	1645	784	48	107.4						74.3
Nate McMillan	1369	722	53	100.2	41.1	21.8	7.5	45.8	36.6	77.1
John MacLeod	1364	707	52	107.9	44.1	26.5		48.3	28	76.2
Red Holzman	1300	696	54	104.9						74.1
Erik Spoelstra	1152	680	59	102.8	41.9	22.3	7.7	46.7	36.1	75.8
Mike D'Antoni	1199	672	56	107.2	42.1	22.9	7.6	46.1	36.5	77.3
Mike Fratello	1215	667	55	99.6	41.1	22.7	8.4	46.7	35.6	75.7
Flip Saunders	1246	654	52	97.1	41.8	23.1	7.3	45.4	35.1	76.6
Chuck Daly	1075	638	59	105.3	45.1	24.4		47.1	30.7	76

 

As I was pouring through the list... I noted that many of the greats with high Win %... had Alltime Great Superstar players.

Jackson = Jordan, Kobe, and Shaq

Sloan = Stockton and Malone

Spoelstra = Wade, Bosh and Lebron

Popp = Timmy D.   

Riley = Magic, Mourning, Wade, Shaq.

So fourth and so on...

But who has Nate Had??

Who has Lenny Had??

Coaches on this most wins list with lower win% are probably coaches who didn't coach alltime greats.  I would suggest that they had to do a much harder job of coaching without the advantage of having a player who is good enough to guarantee you 40 wins just by being there. 

 

 

[warcore]

1 hour ago, Diesel said:

COACH	GP	W	Win %	PPG	RPG	APG	SPG	FG%	3P%	FT%
Gregg Popovich	2083	1,356	65	100.9	43	22.8	7.3	46.7	37.1	75
Don Nelson	2398	1,335	56	108.2						76.3
Lenny Wilkens	2487	1,332	54	102.8	44.4	24				75.2
Jerry Sloan	2024	1,221	60	101.3	41.8	25.2	8.2	48	34.8	76.3
Pat Riley	1904	1,210	64	102.5	43	24.8		48		74.7
George Karl	1999	1,175	59	104.8	42.1	23.7	9.1	47.1	36	75.6
Phil Jackson	1640	1,155	70	103.1	43.7	24.1	8.4	47.2	35.6	73.7
Larry Brown	2002	1,098	55	99.9						73.9
Doc Rivers	1815	1,066	59	103.2	42	22.7	8	46.5	36.7	75.7
Rick Adelman	1791	1,042	58	104	44	23.6	8.4	45.7	35.2	76.1
Bill Fitch	2050	944	46	104.9	45	23.9				74.1
Red Auerbach	1419	938	66	103
d*ck Motta	1952	935	48	106.5						75.4
Rick Carlisle	1646	882	54	101.4	42	22.2	7.4	45.3	35.7	77.6
Jack Ramsay	1647	864	52	110.5					26.6	75
Cotton Fitzsimmons	1607	832	52	110.7						75.6
Gene Shue	1645	784	48	107.4						74.3
Nate McMillan	1369	722	53	100.2	41.1	21.8	7.5	45.8	36.6	77.1
John MacLeod	1364	707	52	107.9	44.1	26.5		48.3	28	76.2
Red Holzman	1300	696	54	104.9						74.1
Erik Spoelstra	1152	680	59	102.8	41.9	22.3	7.7	46.7	36.1	75.8
Mike D'Antoni	1199	672	56	107.2	42.1	22.9	7.6	46.1	36.5	77.3
Mike Fratello	1215	667	55	99.6	41.1	22.7	8.4	46.7	35.6	75.7
Flip Saunders	1246	654	52	97.1	41.8	23.1	7.3	45.4	35.1	76.6
Chuck Daly	1075	638	59	105.3	45.1	24.4		47.1	30.7	76

 

 

Based on the list... this is the list.   Nate is borderline?  I mean Cotton Fitzsimmons and Bill Fitch are in the Hall but d*ck Motta and Jack Ramsey are not.   This last leg could be the deciding factor of if he gets in or not.

 

All this means nothing. 

Doc Rivers is above him and we all know he's only up there because he puts himself in position to win based on the roster, not his brain. 

Nate is not a good coach. He's just too dumb to know he should have already retired because he can't keep up with the evolution of the game.