Premium Member JeffS17 Posted April 19 Premium Member Report Share Posted April 19 Keeping Trae or Murray could both be the best path forward. All depends on what teams are willing to give up for both and what timeline we put ourselves on. The hauls rumored for Murray at the deadline were pathetic though, and teams usually trade hauls if picks for superstars, not loads of talent… tough path either way. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member JayBirdHawk Posted April 19 Premium Member Report Share Posted April 19 6 minutes ago, JeffS17 said: Keeping Trae or Murray could both be the best path forward. All depends on what teams are willing to give up for both and what timeline we put ourselves on. The hauls rumored for Murray at the deadline were pathetic though, and teams usually trade hauls if picks for superstars, not loads of talent… tough path either way. When the rumor is you are also looking for expiring contracts in return (LAL, NYK) - that puts you at a disadvantage wether true or not. The whispers affect the return teams will offer. When the perception is 'unwilling to pay' 'reduce payroll' it becomes problematic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gray Mule Posted April 19 Report Share Posted April 19 13 hours ago, Sothron said: sick from new diabetic medication, really doing a number on my stomach. thanks for wondering about this old guy bro My one lone update from two Hawks sources: Our starting backcourt will be different next season. One was that short, literally word for word, and the other was a little more wordy but it is what you've all heard: Trae could get more but Ressler wants to keep him and DJ is the more likely trade candidate. Both agreed the Trae/DJ days are over. Sothron: Get well soon! The major problem is, teams reading this all assume that there is a fire sale going on with Murray and that they can get him for nothing much. This seems to be what happened at the trade deadline. If the offers for Murray continue to be very weak and a real blockbuster deal is offered for Trae, Atlanta may indeed look a lot different next season. Hawks don't want to trade Trae but they don't want to give away Murray. That's why they are both here now. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member JayBirdHawk Posted April 25 Premium Member Report Share Posted April 25 Potential 4yr/$221 for Ingram vs 4/$114mil for DJ 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NBASupes Posted April 25 Report Share Posted April 25 5 minutes ago, JayBirdHawk said: Potential 4yr/$221 for Ingram vs 4/$114mil for DJ Definitely a trade from Pelican fan. How we gonna trade the player with higher value and give up a higher pick in the process Other than NO highly targeting OO and us for one of their POA defenders. This ain't bad once you remove #10 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member JeffS17 Posted April 25 Premium Member Report Share Posted April 25 11 minutes ago, JayBirdHawk said: Potential 4yr/$221 for Ingram vs 4/$114mil for DJ Take away the pick swaps and i don’t hate it 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member JayBirdHawk Posted April 25 Premium Member Report Share Posted April 25 8 minutes ago, NBASupes said: This ain't bad once you remove #10 6 minutes ago, JeffS17 said: Take away the pick swaps and i don’t hate it So do you thinks the Hawks will want to and should they sign BI for $50 mil? If the Hawks aren't willing, then the trade is essentially for Nance ($11 mil next 2 years) and #21 (maybe)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NBASupes Posted April 25 Report Share Posted April 25 5 minutes ago, JayBirdHawk said: So do you thinks the Hawks will want to and should they sign BI for $50 mil? If the Hawks aren't willing, then the trade is essentially for Nance ($11 mil next 2 years) and #21 (maybe)? Right now, the Pels aren't willing to do anything without OO in it and Atlanta wants a POA defender from NO and they don't identify BI as one. From what I was last told. He's okay coming to Atlanta and willing to negotiate with the Hawks. For how much, idk but it was confirmed to be significantly more than Murray's salary. So while this trade, remove 10 isn't awful, it's not what either team is targeting. From NO, they are saying BI wants 50 mil per but I haven't confirmed that's his legit market and BI does want to leave NO for some reason, unknown so like Murray, he might be willing to take a more reasonable deal but it won't be Murray reasonable. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member JeffS17 Posted April 25 Premium Member Report Share Posted April 25 29 minutes ago, JayBirdHawk said: So do you thinks the Hawks will want to and should they sign BI for $50 mil? If the Hawks aren't willing, then the trade is essentially for Nance ($11 mil next 2 years) and #21 (maybe)? I dont really think Ingram is gonna get a 35% of the cap max deal so i disagree with the premise, but making the trade would probably still be worth it to give the team a year run with him. Whole roster would fit significantly better and we would have more options how to move forward. This team is not one DJ trade from being a contender so we gotta make positive incremental steps to build one. This would be in the right direction Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators AHF Posted April 25 Author Moderators Report Share Posted April 25 This is a tough one purely because of the contract situation. If they were signed to the exact same deal, this would be a no brainer improvement for both teams, imo. They are about the same age. Their numbers are incredibly similar. NO has a bunch of wings and needs a point. We have point covered and need to upgrade the talent and depth of our wings. Just very similar players. But having to pay Ingram way more than DJM for a team that is already going to be strapped for cash makes it a lot tougher. Maybe you could do something like Ingram and Daniels for DJM, AJ and CC? I don't know. Nance seems overpaid and doesn't do much for me. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spud2nique Posted April 25 Report Share Posted April 25 2 minutes ago, AHF said: Nance seems overpaid and doesn't do much for me. Not sure about this. With a guy like Trae you want a dude like Nance floating around unpredictably tipping in missed shots and even finishing easy oops to LN jr. I like him as a bench dude like a 7th or 8th man for us. Only thing is he has very little basketball skill and it’s 90% athleticism only from him, he gets hurt(big injury) he becomes unplayable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hylndr11 Posted April 25 Report Share Posted April 25 (edited) Fk I gram he is nowhere close to that good. I mean its just not there, Murray may have be highest value player in the league after this playoffs because of all these roleplayers getting paid like stars and you see what is what when the refs let them play defence. I get the issue with 2 guards but clearly Dallas figures out a way to make this happen now Luka is big so that's a lot of it and I'm not saying to keep Murray the example is the Knicks how In tf did we let them build this team right in front of our faces, Point is yea it's harder to build around weak defenders but some teams are atleast figuring out ways to do it and still win playoff games. How we have regressed and the Knicks have gotten better without rnadle is bullshit and there's not much of an excuse for it One of Murray and Trae got to go but I'm not sure Trae is the more valuable player in terms of what it means to overall team mechanics. Murray contract is looking like one of the best in the league more and more day by day Edited April 25 by hylndr11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member JayBirdHawk Posted April 25 Premium Member Report Share Posted April 25 58 minutes ago, NBASupes said: For how much, idk but it was confirmed to be significantly more than Murray's salary. He's already making more than Murray next season alone. So ee know that going in: $36 mil vs $25 mil. The question is are they willing to almost double the Murray cost in the following seasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey Posted April 25 Report Share Posted April 25 1 hour ago, NBASupes said: Definitely a trade from Pelican fan. How we gonna trade the player with higher value and give up a higher pick in the process Other than NO highly targeting OO and us for one of their POA defenders. This ain't bad once you remove #10 Casue BI is a better player and this draft class the tier of player from 10-21 won't be drastically different like other drafts. That account isnt a normal pels fan btw. He knows someone in the org 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NBASupes Posted April 25 Report Share Posted April 25 5 minutes ago, Mikey said: Casue BI is a better player and this draft class the tier of player from 10-21 won't be drastically different like other drafts. That account isnt a normal pels fan btw. He knows someone in the org Murray is better than BI. Superior contract Much better trade value 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hawkish Posted April 25 Report Share Posted April 25 2 hours ago, JayBirdHawk said: Potential 4yr/$221 for Ingram vs 4/$114mil for DJ Gross — Losing the trade on the court and on the balance sheet. Has Ingram ever shown the ability to lead? At his price, leading is an expectation. I don’t see it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey Posted April 25 Report Share Posted April 25 1 hour ago, NBASupes said: Murray is better than BI. Superior contract Much better trade value Murray does literally nothing better on the basketball court than BI. Better scorer Bi, Better defender BI, better playmaker BI. Bigger Bi. Now he does have a far superior contract so i see the value side but BI potential contract also means nothing cause I doubt his injury history injury suggests he's getting that max 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Popular Post AHF Posted April 25 Author Moderators Popular Post Report Share Posted April 25 2 minutes ago, Mikey said: Murray does literally nothing better on the basketball court than BI. Better scorer Bi 2023-24 Brandon Ingram - 20.3 ppg Dejounte Murray - 22.5 ppg Quote Better defender BI DJM as a PG > BI > DJM as a SG Quote better playmaker BI 2023-24 Brandon Ingram - 5.7 apg DJM - 6.1 apg (DJM also enjoys a better A:TO ratio) Combine the scoring and playmaking: 2023-24 Brandon Ingram - 2.7 OWS, 1.4 OBPM Dejounter Murray - 3.3 OWS, 2.3 OBPM Quote Bigger Bi. Bigger? That is the first one that is obviously correct. But it does beg the question of why DJM outrebounded BI this year when BI so much bigger. They are as similar players as you could possibly hope for in a trade scenario. 4 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warcore Posted April 25 Report Share Posted April 25 3 hours ago, JayBirdHawk said: Potential 4yr/$221 for Ingram vs 4/$114mil for DJ So Pels fans think it's realistic to receive the better player on a better contract, the better pick, the better Center, and a free good wing prospect for good measure. They must be visiting Canadia 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustSomeGuy Posted April 25 Report Share Posted April 25 3 hours ago, JeffS17 said: Take away the pick swaps and i don’t hate it Can they have Hunter instead of AJ? lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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