Hawks starting PF? It can’t be JJ

[kg01]

13 hours ago, Diesel said:

Since he was 21 and a starter at Center, he has averaged 65 games per season.   Last season he played in 65 games.   That's decline?

 

Hey, I'm not fighting with you.  If you don't think he's declining then I'm fine with it.  It's your prerogative, Bobby Brown.  

[sturt]

Not my problem anymore, and not that my opinion should matter one iota... btw, what's an iota.... but I digress... but... you folks sure as hell better hope that JJ indeed is so superior to JC that he more than replaces JC's minutes.

It's football season, tho. Let's do this. Cowboys defense lookin like a juggernaut.

[Gray Mule]

IOTA: Webster says that iota is the ninth letter and the fourth vowel in the Greek alphabet.  In English, it denotes a small or insignifant mark or part.

For anyone who didn't slresdy know this, thank Sturt for asking!

[Diesel]

1 hour ago, kg01 said:

Hey, I'm not fighting with you.  If you don't think he's declining then I'm fine with it.  It's your prerogative, Bobby Brown.  

With Age,  every player declines. even Lebron James (The steroids just don't work as well anymore).   However, when you say we should trade CC because he is in decline...  Then we have to look at how steep a decline he's in.  Of course, he's not the CC of 2020... That's a career high CC.  It should not be our expectation that he will be better than that.   However, there's no steepness in his decline. 

It's false pretenses that people use in order to justify either trading CC for pocket lint or moving OO up.   OO should hit his own bench marks and earn the starting position without us making up Bogus things about CC.

 

 

[Spud2nique]

1 hour ago, sturt said:

Not my problem anymore, and not that my opinion should matter one iota... btw, what's an iota.... but I digress... but... you folks sure as hell better hope that JJ indeed is so superior to JC that he more than replaces JC's minutes.

It's football season, tho. Let's do this. Cowboys defense lookin like a juggernaut.

He gets phone calls ? 

[kg01]

2 hours ago, Diesel said:

With Age,  every player declines. even Lebron James (The steroids just don't work as well anymore).   However, when you say we should trade CC because he is in decline...  Then we have to look at how steep a decline he's in.  Of course, he's not the CC of 2020... That's a career high CC.  It should not be our expectation that he will be better than that.   However, there's no steepness in his decline. 

It's false pretenses that people use in order to justify either trading CC for pocket lint or moving OO up.   OO should hit his own bench marks and earn the starting position without us making up Bogus things about CC.

 

 

Dude, I'm not reading all this.  I said I'm not fighting with you.  It's ok if you're wrong ... ahem, I mean, its ok we just disagree. 

[Diesel]

5 hours ago, kg01 said:

Dude, I'm not reading all this. 

[kg01]

10 minutes ago, Diesel said:

*gasp*

(audible pearl clutch) 

[JayBirdHawk]

“While everyone seemingly awaits Atlanta’s inevitable change at center from Clint Capela to Onyeka Okongwu, there is another path to making this frontcourt more dynamic,” Buckley wrote on September 12. “Finding starter-level minutes (if not a starting spot altogether) for springy third-year swingman Jalen Johnson would do the trick.”

Barring the Hawks completing their long-rumored trade for Toronto Raptors star Pascal Siakm, Johnson is one of two players presumably vying for the starting power forward spot vacated by the trade of John Collins to the Utah Jazz.

The former No. 20 overall pick in 2021 has already flashed his tremendous potential.Unfortunately for him, his role was reduced in the postseason.

Johnson was far from perfect, shooting just 27.3% from the three-point line and 40% at the charity stripe.

The Hawks posted a minus-1.8 net rating with Johnson on the floor last season, per Cleaning The Glass. But two of the top three groups in terms of minutes that included him posted positive net ratings. And Johnson has a clear size and defensive advantage over his apparent top competition for the starters’ job, and his offseason work could pay huge dividends.

Saddiq Bey a viable option for Hawks too

If Johnson had Saddiq Bey’s shooting stroke the Hawks would have the power forward spot solved. What Bey lacks in size compared to Johnson, he makes up for with a knockdown efficiency, shooting 40% from beyond the arc in his 25 appearances with the Hawks.

Bey also averaged 4.8 rebounds, 1.4 assists, and nearly 1.0 steals per game with Atlanta.

He averaged 13.8 points, 5.1 boards, 1.8 assists, and 1.4 steals per game while still shooting 40% from three in his seven starts with the Hawks.

But the Hawks posted negative net ratings with him on the floor including in three of the top four lineups. Coincidentally, the group that posted the best rating with Bey on the floor included Johnson and vice versa.That variety already offered on the roster is likely why the Hawks aren’t overly desperate in their pursuit of Siakam. Taking the current group into the season lets them gauge exactly where the group is and what it might need to take another step forward. Despite another first-round playoff exit, there was a notable difference in the Hawks after Quin Snyder stepped in as head coach.

That variety already offered on the roster is likely why the Hawks aren’t overly desperate in their pursuit of Siakam. Taking the current group into the season lets them gauge exactly where the group is and what it might need to take another step forward. Despite another first-round playoff exit, there was a notable difference in the Hawks after Quin Snyder stepped in as head coach.

 

 

[JayBirdHawk]

On 7/20/2023 at 2:00 PM, Spud2nique said:

I’m sorry but I can’t start JJ at the 4 this upcoming season. He hasn’t done enough to justify a starting role on a club looking to get not only in the play in but homecourt in the playoffs.

We have Trae and DJ, we need a vet starting at PF.

Look, I like JJ but I watched 80/82 games last year, possibly 81, he would do most of his damage in small stretches in the floor. He hasn’t done any heavy lifting as far as PT.

I don’t see how many of you are comfortable with him starting. 
 

I dunno  

If we are getting this JJ...he just might!

 

 

 

 

[thecampster]

11 hours ago, JayBirdHawk said:

If we are getting this JJ...he just might!

 

 

 

 

30 minute, that equates to 24/5/5/3  (p/r/a/s)  With Turnovers 0.

[Final_quest]

Jalen went 2-2 on 3's.  He's really only played half an NBA season and never got comfortable as a shooter in particular.  Would love to see him be at least NBA average on 3's.  

[macdaddy]

53 minutes ago, Final_quest said:

Jalen went 2-2 on 3's.  He's really only played half an NBA season and never got comfortable as a shooter in particular.  Would love to see him be at least NBA average on 3's.  

if he can shoot > 35% even on low volume that changes things and opens the floor for his excellent passing.  

[thecampster]

So the low down on JJ 2 years later.

 

JJ's college numbers reflected him nursing injuries through his one season.  There were really only 2 games he was healthy enough to play 30 minutes. This is why he was a relatively unknown coming out of college.  In those 2 games (vs Coppin St and Pitt) he averaged

21.5 ppg, 17.5 rpg, 6 apg, 4 bpg, 1 spg.  He spent most of that freshman year injured.

 

At College park he started 12 games and averaged:

20.1 ppg, 11.8 rpg, 4.1 apg, 37.5% from 3.

 

There is no reason not to believe that if given starter minutes he can't average 15/8/3 and 35% from 3.

 

Nate was a terrible fit. Nate prefers guards, prefers vets, prefers simple basketball. Snyder is a very good fit. He prefers movement, versatility and keeping the ball moving (both offense/defense). The problem with JJ is he makes it look too easy some times.  The kid has star written all over him and he needs to get those minutes.

[Spud2nique]

1 hour ago, thecampster said:

15/8/3 and 35% from 3.

[JayBirdHawk]

 

 

 

 

 

[Gray Mule]

Starting PF?  If it can't be JJ nor Bey, that leaves M. Gueye!  

[Spud2nique]

I just gave this thread 5 ️ Magnificent whomever came up with it. 
 

Here’s my take ..

 

The positive that comes from JJ starting is his unselfishness and lack of confidence will increase the volume for our superstar Trae, as well as our star DJ. 
 

If we wanna save Trae down the stretch, Bey better start and bring a bit of volume.

[JayBirdHawk]

When I think that Nate had JJ glued to the bench ...

[JayBirdHawk]

Yo @Spud2nique