NekiEcko Posted June 25, 2012 Report Share Posted June 25, 2012 Its looks like the Hawks was offering 6 year contact to Ferry for becoming GM. But that is a good start but i like to see what he can do and if he is going to have full control? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willthepureshooter Posted June 25, 2012 Report Share Posted June 25, 2012 This could really backfire if the ASG has really given Ferry total control. He's been good but the guy always fills his team up with old veterans.. I mean look at his resume.. Why not offer the job to Phil Jackson, Hubie Brown, or Nique??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plainview1981 Posted June 25, 2012 Report Share Posted June 25, 2012 This could really backfire if the ASG has really given Ferry total control. He's been good but the guy always fills his team up with old veterans.. I mean look at his resume.. Why not offer the job to Phil Jackson, Hubie Brown, or Nique???Nique?Have you heard this guy's play by play? You really want him running the show? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bumpyphish1 Posted June 25, 2012 Report Share Posted June 25, 2012 This is the most exciting Hawks news in some time. This may actually re-energize my interest in the team....especially if he has total control. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaceCase Posted June 25, 2012 Report Share Posted June 25, 2012 6 years sounds entirely too long but it does sound like the type of job security that means he WOULD have full autonomy if true.It also means that the ASG aren't looking to sell....but not necessarily a bad thing if they've decided to reduce their involvement in the team to just cutting checks and enjoying a game from the recesses of a suite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willthepureshooter Posted June 25, 2012 Report Share Posted June 25, 2012 Nique?Have you heard this guy's play by play? You really want him running the show?Dude, that was sarcasm at the end. Lol. But Nique does know what's ailing this team. His in game critiques are spot on tho.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators lethalweapon3 Posted June 25, 2012 Moderators Report Share Posted June 25, 2012 Pardon my ignorance, but what does WLOC stand for? We Loathe Old Celtics. ~mgjr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Sothron Posted June 25, 2012 Premium Member Report Share Posted June 25, 2012 Ferry did a good job in Cleveland, he got unfairly blamed by Lebron and his gang of hanger ons because Lebron couldn't win a ring there.This talk about Ferry being offered a six year deal with full control is baffling. The only way that is possible is if Michael Gearon Jr has had some kind of life changing internal decision to let real basketball people run the Hawks and not insist on his running the show. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bird_dirt Posted June 25, 2012 Report Share Posted June 25, 2012 now that they got this part taken care of, i just hope asg has saved some money in their budget to pay the refs to call fair games, then we might actually get somewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member NineOhTheRino Posted June 25, 2012 Premium Member Report Share Posted June 25, 2012 (edited) Ferry did a great job in Cleveland. I would like to see what he could do here with our personal. [*]June 28, 2005: Traded future considerations and a 2006 2nd round draft pick (Ejike Ugboaja) to the Orlando Magic for Martynas Andriuskevicius. [*]June 28, 2005: Traded Jiri Welsch to the Milwaukee Bucks for a 2006 2nd round draft pick (Lior Eliyahu). [*]August 2, 2005: Signed Larry Hughes as a free agent. [*]August 2, 2005: Signed Donyell Marshall as a free agent. [*]September 8, 2005: Signed Damon Jones as a free agent. [*]September 17, 2005: Signed Alan Henderson as a free agent. [*]September 27, 2005: Signed Zendon Hamilton as a free agent. [*]September 27, 2005: Signed Mike Wilks as a free agent. [*]February 6, 2006: Signed Stephen Graham to two 10-day contracts, then signed to a contract for the rest of the season. [*]February 23, 2006: Traded a 2006 2nd round draft pick to the Philadelphia 76ers for Lee Nailon and a 2006 2nd round draft pick (Daniel Gibson). Philadelphia did not receive the 2nd round draft pick because Cleveland did not finish with at least the third best record in the league. [*]February 23, 2006: Traded Mike Wilks to the Seattle SuperSonics for Ronald Murray. [*]June 28, 2006: Selected Shannon Brown (1st round, 25th pick), Daniel Gibson (2nd round, 42nd pick) and Ejike Ugboaja (2nd round, 55th pick) in the 2006 NBA Draft. [*]August 18, 2006: Traded Martynas Andriuskevicius to the Chicago Bulls for Eddie Basden. [*]August 18, 2006: Signed Scot Pollard as a free agent. [*]September 5, 2006: Signed David Wesley as a free agent. [*]October 13, 2006: Traded Luke Jackson and cash to the Boston Celtics for Dwayne Jones. [*]September 27, 2007: Signed Devin Brown as a free agent. [*]September 29, 2007: Traded David Wesley to the New Orleans Hornets for Cedric Simmons. [*]October 29, 2007: Signed Demetris Nichols as a free agent. [*]February 21, 2008: As part of a 3-team trade, the Cleveland Cavaliers traded Donyell Marshall and Ira Newble to the Seattle SuperSonics; the Cleveland Cavaliers traded Shannon Brown, Drew Gooden, Larry Hughes and Cedric Simmons to the Chicago Bulls; the Chicago Bulls traded Joe Smith, Ben Wallace and a 2009 2nd round draft pick (Danny Green) to the Cleveland Cavaliers; the Chicago Bulls traded Adreian Griffin to the Seattle SuperSonics; and the Seattle SuperSonics traded Wally Szczerbiak and Delonte West to the Cleveland Cavaliers. [*]February 22, 2008: Signed Kaniel Dickens to the first of two 10-day contracts. [*]February 22, 2008: Signed Billy Thomas to two 10-day contracts, then signed to a contract for the rest of the season. [*]March 13, 2008: Signed Lance Allred to two 10-day contracts, then signed to a contract for the rest of the season. [*]June 26, 2008: Selected J.J. Hickson (1st round, 19th pick) in the 2008 NBA Draft. [*]June 26, 2008: Traded a 2009 2nd round draft pick (Robert Dozier) to the Miami Heat for Darnell Jackson. [*]June 26, 2008: Purchased Sasha Kaun from the Seattle SuperSonics. [*]August 4, 2008: Signed Tarence Kinsey as a free agent. [*]August 13, 2008: As part of a 3-team trade, the Cleveland Cavaliers traded Joe Smith to the Oklahoma City Thunder; the Cleveland Cavaliers traded Damon Jones to the Milwaukee Bucks; the Milwaukee Bucks traded Mo Williams to the Cleveland Cavaliers; the Milwaukee Bucks traded Desmond Mason to the Oklahoma City Thunder; and the Oklahoma City Thunder traded Adreian Griffin and Luke Ridnour to the Milwaukee Bucks. [*]September 5, 2008: Signed Lorenzen Wright as a free agent. [*]September 29, 2008: Signed Jawad Williams as a free agent. [*]September 30, 2008: Signed Ronald Dupree as a free agent. [*]January 12, 2009: Signed Jawad Williams to the first of two 10-day contracts. [*]February 3, 2009: Signed Trey Johnson to the first of two 10-day contracts. [*]March 4, 2009: Signed Joe Smith as a free agent. [*]April 9, 2009: Signed Jawad Williams as a free agent. [*]June 25, 2009: Selected Christian Eyenga (1st round, 30th pick) and Danny Green (2nd round, 46th pick) in the 2009 NBA Draft. [*]June 26, 2009: Traded Sasha Pavlovic, Ben Wallace, cash and a 2010 2nd round draft pick (Dwayne Collins) to the Phoenix Suns for Shaquille O'Neal. [*]June 26, 2009: Purchased Emir Preldzic from the Phoenix Suns. [*]July 13, 2009: Signed Anthony Parker as a free agent. [*]July 24, 2009: Signed Jamario Moon as a free agent. [*]August 12, 2009: Signed Leon Powe as a free agent. [*]October 1, 2009: Signed Coby Karl as a free agent. [*]January 23, 2010: Signed Cedric Jackson to the first of two 10-day contracts. [*]February 17, 2010: As part of a 3-team trade, the Cleveland Cavaliers traded Zydrunas Ilgauskas, Emir Preldzic and a 2010 1st round draft pick (Lazar Hayward) to the Washington Wizards; the Los Angeles Clippers traded Sebastian Telfair to the Cleveland Cavaliers; the Los Angeles Clippers traded Al Thornton to the Washington Wizards; the Washington Wizards traded Antawn Jamison to the Cleveland Cavaliers; and the Washington Wizards traded Drew Gooden to the Los Angeles Clippers. [*]March 23, 2010: Signed Zydrunas Ilgauskas to a contract for the rest of the season. Edited June 25, 2012 by NineOhTheRino Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators AHF Posted June 25, 2012 Moderators Report Share Posted June 25, 2012 It is promising that he's coming from San Antonio, but I'm not a fan of his Cavs work. Not at all. What this guy did led to "The Decision." And nobody is concerned about that? Moreover, looking at his body of work there, I don't think see a guy that would come in here and make wholesale changes (which is what I want). Seems like he would try to make the best of the situation (just like the "meh" moves he made in Cleveland) and he would do so within the limits of what our ownership will allow. Doesn't necessarily mean gloom and doom, but I'm not jumping for joy here... What are the highlights of his tenure in Cleveland? Larry Hughes...? Antawn Jamison...? Mo Williams...? Shaq...? And you have one of the best, if not THE best players in the league? Anybody with a basketball mind will look at this team and see the potential. I think he will look at this team and see the potential and a) not make the big changes that are necessary and b) well...we see the help that LeBron got. Not to be a Negative Nancy.....but I'm going to do some serious waitin' and seein' on this one. This is also my reaction. The Cleveland years are discouraging. The best thing I can say for him is that he probably learned some new approaches in SA. [*]June 28, 2005: Traded future considerations and a 2006 2nd round draft pick (Ejike Ugboaja) to the Orlando Magic for Martynas Andriuskevicius. [*]June 28, 2005: Traded Jiri Welsch to the Milwaukee Bucks for a 2006 2nd round draft pick (Lior Eliyahu). [*]August 2, 2005: Signed Larry Hughes as a free agent. [*]August 2, 2005: Signed Donyell Marshall as a free agent. [*]September 8, 2005: Signed Damon Jones as a free agent. [*]September 17, 2005: Signed Alan Henderson as a free agent. [*]September 27, 2005: Signed Zendon Hamilton as a free agent. [*]September 27, 2005: Signed Mike Wilks as a free agent. [*]February 6, 2006: Signed Stephen Graham to two 10-day contracts, then signed to a contract for the rest of the season. [*]February 23, 2006: Traded a 2006 2nd round draft pick to the Philadelphia 76ers for Lee Nailon and a 2006 2nd round draft pick (Daniel Gibson). Philadelphia did not receive the 2nd round draft pick because Cleveland did not finish with at least the third best record in the league. [*]February 23, 2006: Traded Mike Wilks to the Seattle SuperSonics for Ronald Murray. [*]June 28, 2006: Selected Shannon Brown (1st round, 25th pick), Daniel Gibson (2nd round, 42nd pick) and Ejike Ugboaja (2nd round, 55th pick) in the 2006 NBA Draft. [*]August 18, 2006: Traded Martynas Andriuskevicius to the Chicago Bulls for Eddie Basden. [*]August 18, 2006: Signed Scot Pollard as a free agent. [*]September 5, 2006: Signed David Wesley as a free agent. [*]October 13, 2006: Traded Luke Jackson and cash to the Boston Celtics for Dwayne Jones. [*]September 27, 2007: Signed Devin Brown as a free agent. [*]September 29, 2007: Traded David Wesley to the New Orleans Hornets for Cedric Simmons. [*]October 29, 2007: Signed Demetris Nichols as a free agent. [*]February 21, 2008: As part of a 3-team trade, the Cleveland Cavaliers traded Donyell Marshall and Ira Newble to the Seattle SuperSonics; the Cleveland Cavaliers traded Shannon Brown, Drew Gooden, Larry Hughes and Cedric Simmons to the Chicago Bulls; the Chicago Bulls traded Joe Smith, Ben Wallace and a 2009 2nd round draft pick (Danny Green) to the Cleveland Cavaliers; the Chicago Bulls traded Adreian Griffin to the Seattle SuperSonics; and the Seattle SuperSonics traded Wally Szczerbiak and Delonte West to the Cleveland Cavaliers. [*]February 22, 2008: Signed Kaniel Dickens to the first of two 10-day contracts. [*]February 22, 2008: Signed Billy Thomas to two 10-day contracts, then signed to a contract for the rest of the season. [*]March 13, 2008: Signed Lance Allred to two 10-day contracts, then signed to a contract for the rest of the season. [*]June 26, 2008: Selected J.J. Hickson (1st round, 19th pick) in the 2008 NBA Draft. [*]June 26, 2008: Traded a 2009 2nd round draft pick (Robert Dozier) to the Miami Heat for Darnell Jackson. [*]June 26, 2008: Purchased Sasha Kaun from the Seattle SuperSonics. [*]August 4, 2008: Signed Tarence Kinsey as a free agent. [*]August 13, 2008: As part of a 3-team trade, the Cleveland Cavaliers traded Joe Smith to the Oklahoma City Thunder; the Cleveland Cavaliers traded Damon Jones to the Milwaukee Bucks; the Milwaukee Bucks traded Mo Williams to the Cleveland Cavaliers; the Milwaukee Bucks traded Desmond Mason to the Oklahoma City Thunder; and the Oklahoma City Thunder traded Adreian Griffin and Luke Ridnour to the Milwaukee Bucks. [*]September 5, 2008: Signed Lorenzen Wright as a free agent. [*]September 29, 2008: Signed Jawad Williams as a free agent. [*]September 30, 2008: Signed Ronald Dupree as a free agent. [*]January 12, 2009: Signed Jawad Williams to the first of two 10-day contracts. [*]February 3, 2009: Signed Trey Johnson to the first of two 10-day contracts. [*]March 4, 2009: Signed Joe Smith as a free agent. [*]April 9, 2009: Signed Jawad Williams as a free agent. [*]June 25, 2009: Selected Christian Eyenga (1st round, 30th pick) and Danny Green (2nd round, 46th pick) in the 2009 NBA Draft. [*]June 26, 2009: Traded Sasha Pavlovic, Ben Wallace, cash and a 2010 2nd round draft pick (Dwayne Collins) to the Phoenix Suns for Shaquille O'Neal. [*]June 26, 2009: Purchased Emir Preldzic from the Phoenix Suns. [*]July 13, 2009: Signed Anthony Parker as a free agent. [*]July 24, 2009: Signed Jamario Moon as a free agent. [*]August 12, 2009: Signed Leon Powe as a free agent. [*]October 1, 2009: Signed Coby Karl as a free agent. [*]January 23, 2010: Signed Cedric Jackson to the first of two 10-day contracts. [*]February 17, 2010: As part of a 3-team trade, the Cleveland Cavaliers traded Zydrunas Ilgauskas, Emir Preldzic and a 2010 1st round draft pick (Lazar Hayward) to the Washington Wizards; the Los Angeles Clippers traded Sebastian Telfair to the Cleveland Cavaliers; the Los Angeles Clippers traded Al Thornton to the Washington Wizards; the Washington Wizards traded Antawn Jamison to the Cleveland Cavaliers; and the Washington Wizards traded Drew Gooden to the Los Angeles Clippers. [*]March 23, 2010: Signed Zydrunas Ilgauskas to a contract for the rest of the season. Exactly. Highly unimpressive. I will say that whoever is our next GM does need actual authority so if the rumors are true, I am not loving the candidate but I am loving hiring a basketball mind and empowering them to make their own decisions. 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CJB Posted June 25, 2012 Report Share Posted June 25, 2012 His draft picks were pretty solid considering they are all late 1st rounders and he actually got useful players in the 2nd rounders (we just sell our 2nd rounders now because we don't know how to scout apparently). His trades weren't that bad either except for the last one but he was also under LeBron's pressure to do something then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Wretch Posted June 25, 2012 Premium Member Report Share Posted June 25, 2012 This is also my reaction. The Cleveland years are discouraging. The best thing I can say for him is that he probably learned some new approaches in SA. Exactly. Highly unimpressive. I will say that whoever is our next GM does need actual authority so if the rumors are true, I am not loving the candidate but I am loving hiring a basketball mind and empowering them to make their own decisions. I'm glad I'm not the only one just a little concerned here... This is not Billy Knight or Pete Babcock, but people are celebrating like we just landed a GM of the year. I just do not see what everyone is so excited about with this guy. Having full control and a nice 6 year cushion - THAT is something to be excited about. But his body of work, notsomuch. As much as Diesel reaches at times, I really want to believe his angle on Ferry in Cleveland. Otherwise, your looking at the guy that built the most uninspiring cast of supporting characters for one of the best players in all of pro sports right now (and yes everybody, I am a LeBron hater...but the man is talented. Give him his due please.). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NekiEcko Posted June 25, 2012 Report Share Posted June 25, 2012 (edited) You know I think some of us is half glass empty guysFirst of all, every GM in all sports has questionable decisions, heck even R.C. Burford has his moments and plus Danny Ferry was trying to put pieces around Lebron so they can win the Championship and they almost did, by the way. Its hard trying to please not only superstar player but his owner as well (Dan Gilbert) Heck if you want to look at draft history and FA signings, you can see some crazy stuff but that is trail and error.If this signing comes to pass (with 76ers pulling out), this does two things for us, one, it will bring a outside view to this team, someone that is brand new and bring his own spin of things (if he has full control) and two, it can bring back a spark to this team, that actually need it. Even know that they were blowout and under-achieve in playoffs, Thomas Dimioff(sp?) did that for the Falcons when they selected him as their GM and hopefully he can do the same as well. Edited June 25, 2012 by NekiEcko Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators AHF Posted June 25, 2012 Moderators Report Share Posted June 25, 2012 His draft picks were pretty solid considering they are all late 1st rounders and he actually got useful players in the 2nd rounders (we just sell our 2nd rounders now because we don't know how to scout apparently). His trades weren't that bad either except for the last one but he was also under LeBron's pressure to do something then.His best moves were solid. Drafting Boogie is solid. It isn't drafting Dejaun Blair, Manu, Boozer, etc. Mo Williams was a solid addition. Trading for Flip Murray was another solid move but then Ferry just let him walk for peanuts.A lot of his moves were fodder transactions - nothing particularly meaningful. Signing Lorenzen Wright, Joe Smith, etc. or trading for Cedric Simmons don't wow me.His worst moves are really bad. Signing Larry Hughes, David Wesley, Damon Jones, etc. were very bad moves.It is not a surprise that he inherited the two best players on the team during the Lebron era: Lebron and Sideshow Bob. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJHAWK Posted June 25, 2012 Report Share Posted June 25, 2012 Billy Knight made better moves than this guy made. Drafting Smoove, getting Bibby for nothing, getting JJ a legit all star player here when not many thought he could become one. I dont think Ferry ever made a trade better than the one Sund made for Crawford either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dejay Posted June 25, 2012 Report Share Posted June 25, 2012 I'll wait and see what he does before passing judgment in any direction. If there was any team in the league that needed change, a jolt, hell, SOMETHING to happen to help get them out of the morass they have been in, this is it. Besides, did anyone expect Sam Presti or R.C. Buford to come running through that door, given our history?Let's put him to work and see what he does before we reach a verdict.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joker Posted June 25, 2012 Report Share Posted June 25, 2012 His track record doesn't look any better than Sund but he wasn't giving bad contracts around outside of Hughes . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Wretch Posted June 25, 2012 Premium Member Report Share Posted June 25, 2012 I'll wait and see what he does before passing judgment in any direction. If there was any team in the league that needed change, a jolt, hell, SOMETHING to happen to help get them out of the morass they have been in, this is it. Besides, did anyone expect Sam Presti or R.C. Buford to come running through that door, given our history?Let's put him to work and see what he does before we reach a verdict....I agree with what you're saying here and I'm actually excited that we may actually be trying to win - or at least be looking at change. That's definitely a positive. However, I'm not going to give the man praise for an average job done in Cleveland."OMG! He built a team that went to the finals!" Yeah...well, give the man some credit for putting those teams together, but was it his shrewd GM-ing that produced the playoff results - or was it mostly a phenomenal athlete that led the team? I'm taking a very cautious wait and see attitude. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Sothron Posted June 25, 2012 Premium Member Report Share Posted June 25, 2012 The only reason the Hughes deal became bad was because Hughes couldn't stay healthy. How quickly some of you forget what Hughes was doing in Washington before he started getting hurt. It also isn't Ferry's fault that the other guys he tried to sign or trade for (Joe Johnson, Redd, etc) decided to go somewhere else or didn't want to come to Cleveland (Bosh). He is a solid GM, I don't think we're getting Sam Presti here but he's not some bum either. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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