Half the season behind us, what FA targets are you most hoping on Schlenk's radar?

[Buzzard]

1 minute ago, KB21 said:

He’s also been in probably the worst developmental situation you could imagine for a young player in New York.  I think had he landed with Bud, his pace of development would have been a lot more controlled, and you probably would have seen him develop along the lines that Dennis developed under Bud.  

He has a chance to move on to a better situation, providing the Knicks don't match. I think the Knicks will target one of the high end PG's but you never really know about the Knicks until a week before the draft.

[KB21]

To add to my earlier thought, I think Frank would have done very well under Mike because Bud wouldn’t have played him before he was ready to play.  That’s the proper way to develop young talent.  Mike just has an incredible ability to make players better when they are coached by him.  

[KB21]

2 minutes ago, NBASupes said:

Idk about that. He has developed well but he's not used right. My guy Spencer runs a Twitter page with a lot of Frank stuff. Frank is a beast. Sadly NY misuses him. 

A lot of NBA players suffer from bad situations for what they do or a lack of opportunity 

This is why a coach like Mike Budenholzer is so important and so rare.  He simply works magic with some of these players.

[NBASupes]

3 minutes ago, KB21 said:

This is why a coach like Mike Budenholzer is so important and so rare.  He simply works magic with some of these players.

Coach Bud is a system coach. You gotta fit his system or you don't play or rarely play. 

Frank would fit Bud's system.

I like Bud, but I don't know anyone who likes him as much as you do.

[NBASupes]

9 minutes ago, KB21 said:

To add to my earlier thought, I think Frank would have done very well under Mike because Bud wouldn’t have played him before he was ready to play.  That’s the proper way to develop young talent.  Mike just has an incredible ability to make players better when they are coached by him.  

Mike who?

[JayBirdHawk]

9 hours ago, Buzzard said:

I am not thrilled with Frenchy Frank but SAP I am ok with. I like Beasely but he is probably the next player in line for the Timberwolves to overpay and get in cap trouble with

I'm intrigued by Frank.  NYK has no clue what they are doing. He's mis-cast in NYK, similarly to how Diaw was with us in the early years.

 

[sturt]

This goes to why I'm one of those who think the NBA has it right to do the draft before FA begins. We absolutely need a defensive asset at PG. In a perfect world, we draft Haliburton and get both a defensive and offensive asset.

But if that doesn't work out, maybe Dunn in free agency does...

Or, otherwise, maybe a trade for Ntilikina can.

[macdaddy]

2 hours ago, JayBirdHawk said:

I'm intrigued by Frank.  NYK has no clue what they are doing. He's mis-cast in NYK, similarly to how Diaw was with us in the early years.

 

Except Frank can never play the 5.  

[JayBirdHawk]

2 minutes ago, macdaddy said:

Except Frank can never play the 5.  

Huh?

[macdaddy]

10 minutes ago, JayBirdHawk said:

Huh?

I felt like that's when Diaw really excelled was when they moved him to the frontcourt.  

[kg01]

14 minutes ago, macdaddy said:

I felt like that's when Diaw really excelled was when they moved him to the frontcourt.  

You're right but I think you actually missed burd's point.  She was just identifying that Diaw was miscast, not suggesting he should play the post.

[JayBirdHawk]

23 minutes ago, macdaddy said:

I felt like that's when Diaw really excelled was when they moved him to the frontcourt.  

It's not so much position change as it was allowing him to play to his strengths.

[macdaddy]

1 minute ago, JayBirdHawk said:

It's not so much position change as it was allowing him to play to his strengths.

Yes.  Diaw's strengths weren't running point was my only....point.   But Frank is going to have to be good at that.  There isn't another position he can play.  

[Buzzard]

I want Betrans. He is young enough to fit our team and he gives us offensive firepower when Trae and/or Collins is on the bench. I think Crowder should be the defensive stopper we chase. Lineup with signing Teague would be:

PG Young, Teague, Goodwin

SG Huerter, Reddish

SF Hunter, Crowder

PF Collins, Bertans

C Capela, Dedmon, Fernando

That is 10 deep and I think its quality depth ( not counting Fernando and Goodwin as quality just yet ). Maybe Grant instead of Crowder but my thoughts are he might cost us more and I like Crowder's defense better. I only list Huerter as starter because that is what has been happening. If Reddish starts that gives us a defensive wing with Young; and another in Crowder with the 2nd unit playing along side Huerter.

Maybe Skal or another role player and our draft pick. I am not in the Harrell camp as much anymore. This team needs shooting more than boards now and Bertans is a really good fit. We could even go big with him at SF sometimes.

I am probably not going to get what I want and someone like Grant ends up being our big signing instead of Bertans. But Bertans is the player I most want out of this free agent crop now.

Edited February 16, 2020 by Buzzard

[sturt]

On 2/10/2020 at 8:52 PM, sturt said:

On 2/10/2020 at 4:40 PM, Buzzard said:

I wILL be shocked if the Pelicans do not pay Ingram. So far he has been the best player they got for AD. If they lose him, there is no winning that trade. It will not even be close.

 

I, too, will be shocked. That said, it is at least plausible that it becomes an Al Horford-like situation, with us in the BOS role, given their salary cap situation. Barring some significant injury, I feel like we'll make a max 4 year offer and let the chips fall where they may.

Been watching Ingram these last couple of weeks, and particularly over this past weekend, and specifically relative to how he seems to embrace his Pels teammates.

What I'm finding is that he mostly if not completely flew solo (pun unintended) while in Chicago.

And I'm wondering if, indeed, that can be taken as some glimmer of evidence that he feels the Zion limelight he will have to share in NOP might not be all that welcome. He had to be a little disappointed, too, that NOP declined to extend him in October.

It almost goes without saying that his decision will be more financial than anything else, so if NOP beats the theoretical max I'm imagining Schlenk offering, he's not coming here.

But there is at least room for speculation at this stage.

Is NOP as willing as ATL would presumably be, given the market size of the latter, to dole out max-ish money? And particularly so if Ingram would end up being one of the top 15 players for 2019-20, and earning All-NBA status... which if I understand correctly, would push him to the 30% max threshold... ie, growing his max from around $28m to around $34m?

Indeed, the Schlenk plan could be to extend both Collins, and next year, Trae as "designated" (max) rookies, and then he has two designated vet slots he can utilize, of which Ingram could be one.

 

[JayBirdHawk]

10 minutes ago, sturt said:

Been watching Ingram these last couple of weeks, and particularly over this past weekend, and specifically relative to how he seems to embrace his Pels teammates.

What I'm finding is that he mostly if not completely flew solo (pun unintended) while in Chicago.

And I'm wondering if, indeed, that can be taken as some glimmer of evidence that he feels the Zion limelight he will have to share in NOP might not be all that welcome. He had to be a little disappointed, too, that NOP declined to extend him in October.

It almost goes without saying that his decision will be more financial than anything else, so if NOP beats the theoretical max I'm imagining Schlenk offering, he's not coming here.

But there is at least room for speculation at this stage.

Is NOP as willing as ATL would presumably be, given the market size of the latter, to dole out max-ish money? And particularly so if Ingram would end up being one of the top 15 players for 2019-20, and earning All-NBA status... which if I understand correctly, would push him to the 30% max threshold... ie, growing his max from around $28m to around $34m?

Indeed, the Schlenk plan could be to extend both Collins, and next year, Trae as "designated" (max) rookies, and then he has two designated vet slots he can utilize, of which Ingram could be one.

 

Are you talking The Rose Rule?  I think Jamaal Murray's deal included some of this...be MVP, all NBA etc.

[sturt]

1 hour ago, JayBirdHawk said:

Are you talking The Rose Rule?  I think Jamaal Murray's deal included some of this...be MVP, all NBA etc.

Maybe. I haven't heard it called that, but that could just be my ignorance.

Here's where Coon explains it: http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q24

[Buzzard]

1 hour ago, sturt said:

Been watching Ingram these last couple of weeks, and particularly over this past weekend, and specifically relative to how he seems to embrace his Pels teammates.

What I'm finding is that he mostly if not completely flew solo (pun unintended) while in Chicago.

And I'm wondering if, indeed, that can be taken as some glimmer of evidence that he feels the Zion limelight he will have to share in NOP might not be all that welcome. He had to be a little disappointed, too, that NOP declined to extend him in October.

It almost goes without saying that his decision will be more financial than anything else, so if NOP beats the theoretical max I'm imagining Schlenk offering, he's not coming here.

But there is at least room for speculation at this stage.

Is NOP as willing as ATL would presumably be, given the market size of the latter, to dole out max-ish money? And particularly so if Ingram would end up being one of the top 15 players for 2019-20, and earning All-NBA status... which if I understand correctly, would push him to the 30% max threshold... ie, growing his max from around $28m to around $34m?

Indeed, the Schlenk plan could be to extend both Collins, and next year, Trae as "designated" (max) rookies, and then he has two designated vet slots he can utilize, of which Ingram could be one.

 

I am not up to date on 2nd contract cost but I did read that 30% rule somewhere. I am still living in the past when the first new contract started around 15 Million. 30% is a lot of money; but losing players for nothing who are borderline or 1st time All Stars is not the way to go. I would be tempted to let another team make a offer for John and just match it. But I think if he gets mad he can play a season at the QO and then walk the following year.

[sturt]

53 minutes ago, Buzzard said:

I would be tempted to let another team make a offer for John and just match it.

Reviewing the Coon explanation, you get two rookie slots, and you get two vet slots. If you pass on John for one of the two rookie slots, then you're mostly committing to the conclusion that he's not going to be worth it as a vet.

I dunno. He's shown a whole lot for someone who isn't even 23 yet. So, I reserve the right to change my mind, but at this point I think it's easier to think of him as being able to continue to ascend into All-Star status (ie, ostensibly the next rung on his developmental ladder) than it is to (a1) feel assurance that either Hunter or Reddish will do that (ie, taking the other rookie slot beside Trae, which is a given) plus (a2) feel assurance that you'll be able to get as-good or better of a free agent to come here (ie, and take a vet slot).

So circling back... this track of concept has Trae/Ingram/Collins, and then boosted by an unknown FA max contract candidate in the 2021 cohort, being our core that we ride to the 2021-22 Eastern Conference Finals... 

And supported with some certainty by a 2020 #1 draft pick (high-regard defensive PG back-up), three 2018 and 2019 first round wings (Huerter, Hunter and Reddish), then in the low post, Capela plus a 2016 (Labissiere who I think we'll almost certainly be able to keep as a RFA) first rounder and a bargain rack second-rounder showing some degree of promise (Fernando).

Less certain are (a) who that 2021 max contract candidate might be, but it quite possibly would be someone who is a 28-30-ish UFA who perceives the Hawks as his golden ticket to finally winning a championship. Then, as said previously regarding our 2020 FA haul, I'm a "yes" vote on attempting to bring back Sap and a "yes' vote on seeking out that 3 point specialist 5th wing, who I tentatively imagine could be our best Euro-stash, Marcus Eriksson, on an opt-out that may or may not exist in his current contract.

 

I be like........

 

[NBASupes]

Bertrans - https://www.nbcsports.com/washington/wizards/wizards-kept-davis-bertans-because-they-feel-hes-perfect-john-wall-and-their-future

Supes personal targets: 

1. Montrezl Harrell - Best FA target really available

2. Montrezl Harrell - Great fit with our system

3. Montrezl Harrell - Harrell/Collins/Dedmon/Capela/Bruno is one hell of a tandem. 

4. Wing who can defend the 3 and 4. (Crowder, Craig, Kenrich Williams)

5. 5th guard who can PDS at a decent level in place of Bembry spot.