Buzzard Posted February 18, 2020 Report Share Posted February 18, 2020 (edited) 37 minutes ago, DS5 said: Harrell will probably command a multi year deal at around $20M. We're paying Capela and will have to extend Collins soon. Like others have said, I'd rather give someone like Millsap and/or Crowder an inflated one year deal and keep our cap space for '21. I agree about Harrell being in the 20M range. I don't think we are getting anyone 28 or younger under 15M that will have a great impact on our needs. I would like to know what is the most cap we can use up guaranteed long term and still have a Max open in 2021. Edited February 18, 2020 by Buzzard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NBASupes Posted February 18, 2020 Report Share Posted February 18, 2020 1 hour ago, KB21 said: In Lloyd’s crap defensive scheme, I doubt Harrell becomes an even better defender than he currently is. LPs defensive scheme has won titles in this league. Buds defensive scheme has only won titles with Coach Pop, not anyone who is from the school of Pop. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member sturt Posted February 18, 2020 Author Premium Member Report Share Posted February 18, 2020 2 hours ago, NBASupes said: New Orleans and BI reps have every intention to sign a max level deal this offseason not to mention, he is a RFA We disagree. I'm saying it's unlikely. But an argument can be made. It is plausible. You're saying it's impossible. That's overboard, imo. 2 hours ago, NBASupes said: It's best that Atlanta does what they are currently planning. We agree. Which is why I believe they, at minimum, will make a bid for Ingram. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member JayBirdHawk Posted February 18, 2020 Premium Member Report Share Posted February 18, 2020 8 minutes ago, Buzzard said: I agree about Harrell being in the 20M range. I don't think we are getting anyone 28 or younger under 15M that will have a great impact on our needs. I do not know what is the most we can use up guaranteed long term and still have a Max open in 2021. Depends on which max you are talking - 25%, 30% or 35% max. Even though it's a deep 2021 FA class, how many are actually worth that Max? Giannis, AD, LBJ, Kawhi, PG, Gobert - only LBJ is at the 35% slot. All the others 30%. Projected salary cap for 2021 is $125 million. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buzzard Posted February 18, 2020 Report Share Posted February 18, 2020 (edited) 10 minutes ago, JayBirdHawk said: Depends on which max you are talking - 25%, 30% or 35% max. Even though it's a deep 2021 FA class, how many are actually worth that Max? Giannis, AD, LBJ, Kawhi, PG, Gobert - only LBJ is at the 35% slot. All the others 30%. Projected salary cap for 2021 is $125 million. See you are burning up that peanut I have for a brain. What I mean is say is: Dollar figure we can spend this free agent season for long term contracts to have 30 to 40 million still free in 2021. We only have one 1st round pick now so that trade should have helped a little. Edited February 18, 2020 by Buzzard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member JayBirdHawk Posted February 18, 2020 Premium Member Report Share Posted February 18, 2020 1 minute ago, Buzzard said: See you are burning up that peanut I have for a brain. What I mean is say dollar figure we can spend this free agent season for long term contracts to have 35 to 40 million still free in 2021. We only have one 1st round pick now so that trade should have helped a little. Lol. I don't feel like looking that deep, but here goes We have $54 mil this year to spend in FAcy. If $20 goes to Harrell, one 1st rounder, empty roster charges another $8 mil. If the plan is to sign JC to an early extention I think we'll need some of this season's capspace as well, not sure how much and how exactly it works. If we wait on his extention next season his caphold is $12 million. If we intend to extend Trae in 2021 early, budget cap for that as well. Current contracts on books for 2021 is approximately $35 mil (including Dedmon's $13 mil and not accounting for any FAs this offseason) - add $20 for Harrell, $23 for JC (early) , Trae at $31 (early) plus $10 for misc = $119 million or something like that. Or maybe I did that all wrong. Lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buzzard Posted February 18, 2020 Report Share Posted February 18, 2020 (edited) 20 minutes ago, JayBirdHawk said: Lol. I don't feel like looking that deep, but here goes We have $54 mil this year to spend in FAcy. If $20 goes to Harrell, one 1st rounder, empty roster charges another $8 mil. If the plan is to sign JC to an early extention I think we'll need some of this season's capspace as well, not sure how much and how exactly it works. If we wait on his extention next season his caphold is $12 million. If we intend to extend Trae in 2021 early, budget cap for that as well. Current contracts on books for 2021 is approximately $35 mil (including Dedmon's $13 mil and not accounting for any FAs this offseason) - add $20 for Harrell, $23 for JC (early) , Trae at $31 (early) plus $10 for misc = $119 million or something like that. Or maybe I did that all wrong. Lol This is what I am thinking: if we spend 20M long term this season, add in Collins cap hold, the rookie picks, and raises we will be hard pressed to have 35 Million free in 2021. In other words we lose Dedmon's contract ( 13.3 M ) but gain Collins cap hold plus two 1st round picks by 2021, and rookie raises. I am really thinking Schlenk will go one large 15 - 20M dollar contract and call it a day. Everything else will be short term deals. Unless of course he thinks we are built after this draft and goes all in this free agency. Edited February 18, 2020 by Buzzard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NBASupes Posted February 18, 2020 Report Share Posted February 18, 2020 Torrey Craig - https://theathletic.com/1598978/2020/02/11/how-a-front-foot-philosophy-has-turned-torrey-craig-into-an-indispensable-piece-for-the-nuggets/ https://stats.nba.com/players/speed-distance/?sort=AVG_SPEED_DEF&dir=1&Season=2019-20&SeasonType=Regular Season&CF=GP*G*40 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gurpilo Posted February 18, 2020 Report Share Posted February 18, 2020 I am just not convinced about the fit between Harrell and Capela, I doubt they can play together. Other than that I like the player, I think he would really make us good, but our center is Capela and that leads you to a different direction at the PF. One thing I was thinking today, would Memphis be interested on a trade Collins+Huerter for JJJ. JJJ, Harrell, Capela and Dedmon might be more playable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NBASupes Posted February 18, 2020 Report Share Posted February 18, 2020 30 minutes ago, gurpilo said: I am just not convinced about the fit between Harrell and Capela, I doubt they can play together. Other than that I like the player, I think he would really make us good, but our center is Capela and that leads you to a different direction at the PF. One thing I was thinking today, would Memphis be interested on a trade Collins+Huerter for JJJ. JJJ, Harrell, Capela and Dedmon might be more playable. We played Parker and Jones together offensively and it worked better than Collins and Jones offensively by a mile. So why would Harrell who actually can run the PnR extremely well as well as Capela who is very good unlike Jones not work? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DS5 Posted February 18, 2020 Report Share Posted February 18, 2020 1 hour ago, gurpilo said: One thing I was thinking today, would Memphis be interested on a trade Collins+Huerter for JJJ. JJJ, Harrell, Capela and Dedmon might be more playable. @NBASupes do you know if we're still interested in JJJ? I'm not ready to give up on Collins like many of you seem to be, but I'd take that deal in a heartbeat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NBASupes Posted February 18, 2020 Report Share Posted February 18, 2020 4 hours ago, DS5 said: @NBASupes do you know if we're still interested in JJJ? I'm not ready to give up on Collins like many of you seem to be, but I'd take that deal in a heartbeat. It completely felt through is what I last heard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member JayBirdHawk Posted February 18, 2020 Premium Member Report Share Posted February 18, 2020 5 hours ago, NBASupes said: We played Parker and Jones together offensively and it worked better than Collins and Jones offensively by a mile. So why would Harrell who actually can run the PnR extremely well as well as Capela who is very good unlike Jones not work? No it didn't. Our offense was so anaemic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member JayBirdHawk Posted February 18, 2020 Premium Member Report Share Posted February 18, 2020 5 hours ago, gurpilo said: I am just not convinced about the fit between Harrell and Capela, I doubt they can play together. Other than that I like the player, I think he would really make us good, but our center is Capela and that leads you to a different direction at the PF. Harrell and Dedmon off the bench...Dedmon's ability to spread the floor while Harrell works inside. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NBASupes Posted February 18, 2020 Report Share Posted February 18, 2020 1 minute ago, JayBirdHawk said: No it didn't. Our offense was so anaemic. Our offense had a higher rating getting negative value for Cam going through his growing pains and Kevin going through injuries. Both Jabari and Damian had tremendous metrics at that compared to any other time for them within their careers. You can really argue our offense was better in terms of the bigs producing at that time till recently when we got Teague. I could post it later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member JayBirdHawk Posted February 18, 2020 Premium Member Report Share Posted February 18, 2020 1 minute ago, NBASupes said: Our offense had a higher rating getting negative value for Cam going through his growing pains and Kevin going through injuries. Both Jabari and Damian had tremendous metrics at that compared to any other time for them within their careers. You can really argue our offense was better in terms of the bigs producing at that time till recently when we got Teague. I could post it later. No it wasn't. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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kg01 Posted February 18, 2020 Report Share Posted February 18, 2020 18 minutes ago, sturt said: How does anyone interpret these things? Gifs are the worst. What are you saying here, stu? Use words! ..... ok, I'm just jealous 'cause I can't do gifs anymore. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member sturt Posted February 18, 2020 Author Premium Member Report Share Posted February 18, 2020 I'm sayin... "No it wasn't. Yes it was. No it wasn't. Yes it was. My head is spinning. Would someone please just provide some numbers already?" You didn't get that @kg01?!? 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buzzard Posted February 18, 2020 Report Share Posted February 18, 2020 5 minutes ago, sturt said: I'm sayin... "No it wasn't. Yes it was. No it wasn't. Yes it was. My head is spinning. Would someone please just provide some numbers already?" You didn't get that @kg01?!? We have never gotten out of the bottom five for any month in offensive or defensive efficiency. The reason we are so bad is because both our defensive and offensive efficiency has been in the bottom all season long. This is also the reason I am harping for shooters now that we have Capela. Develop a defensive scheme around Capela and Dedmon and get some shooters. Let Reddish and Hunter develop another year and see what happens. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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