Free Agency 2020!!

[thecampster]

23 minutes ago, Diesel said:

Exactly.

 

Here's a challenge.  Tell me the difference between what we can get for BB at his price and what we can get from Langston Galloway at a much lower price. 

I'm in 94.2% agreement with this post...just saying. Not a giant Galloway fan but he can be had for 1/3 of the price. Diesel isn't wrong here. I mean you could easily throw that extra money at Cousins, Tyler Johnson and Langston Galloway and still be 8 million under the cap.

[Peoriabird]

Just now, mrhonline said:

FWIW, the cap has increased 15% since then. 

He still was not worth half of what he got paid which is my point.  It was a big mistake!

[mrhonline]

1 minute ago, NBASupes said:

Torrey is actually 3 and D

32% from 3 doesn't really qualify.

[Diesel]

1 minute ago, thecampster said:

I'm in 94.2% agreement with this post...just saying. Not a giant Galloway fan but he can be had for 1/3 of the price. Diesel isn't wrong here. I mean you could easily throw that extra money at Cousins, Tyler Johnson and Langston Galloway and still be 8 million under the cap.

I just note that there are a few guys... even including Bazemore... that have comparable numbers to BB.   I don't see the purpose of offering him a longterm big money deal if we do want to resign Collins and Trae in the next couple of year. 

I would take Galloway but I would rather have GR III.    Galloway is a little short and doesn't play the wing as well.   But both of these guys are catch and shoot specialist.   That's what we will need around Trae and Rondo and Dunn. 

I think the BB love is simply because that was Milwaukee's first move.   He's OK but he's not the other BB. 

[mrhonline]

Just now, Peoriabird said:

He still was not worth half of what he got paid which is my point.  It was a big mistake!

Baze actually regressed in his prime. I get the PTSD, but I don't think we should be worried about that with Bogdan.

[bleachkit]

3 minutes ago, mrhonline said:

Baze actually regressed in his prime. I get the PTSD, but I don't think we should be worried about that with Bogdan.

This guy is better than Baze, no question. 4yr72mil is what Bojan Bogdonovic got, so I'm not going over that number. If Sac matches then so be it. 

[thecampster]

Just now, Diesel said:

I just note that there are a few guys... even including Bazemore... that have comparable numbers to BB.   I don't see the purpose of offering him a longterm big money deal if we do want to resign Collins and Trae in the next couple of year. 

I would take Galloway but I would rather have GR III.    Galloway is a little short and doesn't play the wing as well.   But both of these guys are catch and shoot specialist.   That's what we will need around Trae and Rondo and Dunn. 

I think the BB love is simply because that was Milwaukee's first move.   He's OK but he's not the other BB. 

I've never been a big fan of Bogdanovic. I see him as a role player.  The point I think you're making is you don't give 18 million per year to someone unless they are a needle mover.  Here are BB's needle mover stats from last year. As you can see, the team was almost a point better per 48 defensively with him off the floor and 2 points better with him on it offensively. He's a plus 1.2 points per 48 impact but he's not 18 million per season impact. His PER stats show he's giving up almost a 20 PER defensively at the 2. The only position he's a net positive PER is at Small Forward.

 

On Court / Off Court stats

Many stats are shown on a 'per 48 minute' basis

Stat	ON Court	OFF Court	Net
Minutes	1730	1683	50%
Offense: Pts per 100 Poss.	112.3	110.2	+2.1
Defense: Pts per 100 Poss.	114.2	113.3	+0.9
Net Points per 100 Possessions	-1.8	-3.1	+1.2

 

Player 48-Minute Production by Position

Position	FGA	eFG%	FTA	iFG	Reb	Ast	T/O	Blk	PF	Pts	PER*
PG	.0	.000	.0	0%	.0	.0	21.2	.0	.0	.0	.0
SG	22.4	.540	3.5	17%	5.3	6.2	2.4	.6	3.7	26.7	18.8
SF	20.0	.560	2.9	15%	6.3	5.3	3.3	.2	3.5	24.6	16.6
PF	21.5	.375	5.4	12%	5.4	2.7	.0	.0	8.1	21.5	6.5
C

Opponent Counterpart 48-Minute Production

 

Position	FGA	eFG%	FTA	iFG	Reb	Ast	T/O	Blk	PF	Pts	PER*
PG	21.2	.000	21.2	0%	.0	.0	.0	.0	.0	21.2	.6
SG	17.8	.599	4.1	31%	5.9	4.7	2.5	.7	4.5	24.7	19.4
SF	18.1	.493	4.1	25%	8.0	4.3	2.5	.5	4.0	20.9	13.9
PF	16.1	.333	8.1	33%	13.4	8.1	5.4	.0	2.7	18.8	10.9
C

Net 48-Minute Production by Position

 

Position	FGA	eFG%	FTA	iFG	Reb	Ast	T/O	Blk	PF	Pts	PER*
PG	-21.2	.000	-21.2	0%	.0	.0	-21.2	.0	.0	-21.2	-.6
SG	4.6	-.059	-.6	-14%	-.6	1.4	.1	-.1	.8	2.0	-.6
SF	1.9	.067	-1.3	-10%	-1.7	1.0	-.8	-.3	.5	3.7	2.7
PF	5.4	.042	-2.7	-21%	-8.1	-5.4	5.4	.0	-5.4	2.7	-4.4
C

[Peoriabird]

4 minutes ago, thecampster said:

I've never been a big fan of Bogdanovic. I see him as a role player.  The point I think you're making is you don't give 18 million per year to someone unless they are a needle mover.  Here are BB's needle mover stats from last year. As you can see, the team was almost a point better per 48 defensively with him off the floor and 2 points better with him on it offensively. He's a plus 1.2 points per 48 impact but he's not 18 million per season impact. His PER stats show he's giving up almost a 20 PER defensively at the 2. The only position he's a net positive PER is at Small Forward.

 

On Court / Off Court stats

Many stats are shown on a 'per 48 minute' basis

Stat	ON Court	OFF Court	Net
Minutes	1730	1683	50%
Offense: Pts per 100 Poss.	112.3	110.2	+2.1
Defense: Pts per 100 Poss.	114.2	113.3	+0.9
Net Points per 100 Possessions	-1.8	-3.1	+1.2

 

Player 48-Minute Production by Position

Position	FGA	eFG%	FTA	iFG	Reb	Ast	T/O	Blk	PF	Pts	PER*
PG	.0	.000	.0	0%	.0	.0	21.2	.0	.0	.0	.0
SG	22.4	.540	3.5	17%	5.3	6.2	2.4	.6	3.7	26.7	18.8
SF	20.0	.560	2.9	15%	6.3	5.3	3.3	.2	3.5	24.6	16.6
PF	21.5	.375	5.4	12%	5.4	2.7	.0	.0	8.1	21.5	6.5
C

Opponent Counterpart 48-Minute Production

 

Position	FGA	eFG%	FTA	iFG	Reb	Ast	T/O	Blk	PF	Pts	PER*
PG	21.2	.000	21.2	0%	.0	.0	.0	.0	.0	21.2	.6
SG	17.8	.599	4.1	31%	5.9	4.7	2.5	.7	4.5	24.7	19.4
SF	18.1	.493	4.1	25%	8.0	4.3	2.5	.5	4.0	20.9	13.9
PF	16.1	.333	8.1	33%	13.4	8.1	5.4	.0	2.7	18.8	10.9
C

Net 48-Minute Production by Position

 

Position	FGA	eFG%	FTA	iFG	Reb	Ast	T/O	Blk	PF	Pts	PER*
PG	-21.2	.000	-21.2	0%	.0	.0	-21.2	.0	.0	-21.2	-.6
SG	4.6	-.059	-.6	-14%	-.6	1.4	.1	-.1	.8	2.0	-.6
SF	1.9	.067	-1.3	-10%	-1.7	1.0	-.8	-.3	.5	3.7	2.7
PF	5.4	.042	-2.7	-21%	-8.1	-5.4	5.4	.0	-5.4	2.7	-4.4
C

Great analysis!

[thecampster]

By comparison, Langston Galloway gave up a 16.5 PER at the SG last year. His numbers at the 1 and 3 are worse but if you're looking for SG numbers and want to develop the rooks. He is better money spent.

GRIII was a train wreck defensively except at the 3 last year. But that could have a lot to do with the teams he was on and how they faired at the time.

Tyler Johnson was very solid at the 2 and would be my pick for the extra body.

[NBASupes]

For the OKC 1st, I would love to have J.J. Redick

[Gray Mule]

WHAT HAPPENED TO:

Brembry, Brown, Graham, Jones and Jeff Teague.

[thecampster]

9 minutes ago, NBASupes said:

For the OKC 1st, I would love to have J.J. Redick

As a short term solution, I could get behind this.  Reddick allowed an 11.8 PER at the SG last year. He has 1 year left on his contract at 13 million. I am pretty sure he could be had for 2 x 2nds as N.O. could stand to clear a bit of cap room.

He would be a very good vet presence, low risk type of a player and 3-5 million less that BB year 1, similar production, better defense.

Edited November 22, 2020 by thecampster

[mrhonline]

For those wanting more stats on Bogdan: https://craftednba.com/players/bogdan-bogdanovic

[JTB]

2 minutes ago, thecampster said:

As a short term solution, I could get behind this.  Reddick allowed an 11.8 PER at the SG last year. He has 1 year left on his contract at 13 million. I am pretty sure he could be had for 2 x 2nds as N.O. could stand to clear a bit of cap room.

He would be a very good vet presence, low risk type of a player and 3-5 million less that BB year 1, similar production, better defense.

Different players and schemes can impact these stats. I don’t think we’ve seen the best of BB just yet. Also him and Trae fits in the backcourt like a glove.

[DS5]

How many full games of Galloway, Tyler Johnson or GR3 have you guys watched? Not trying to be snarky, just wondering if you guys are suggesting those names because you recognize them from the free agent list and think "he had a good game against the hawks 2 years ago" or if you really think they're a good alternative to Bogdan. 

[SerbianHawk]

8 hours ago, marco102 said:

Really good scouting artlicle on Bogi.  I know we may not get him, but it's fair and worth the read about why the Bucks attempted to trade for him. 

https://premiumhoops.org/2020/11/17/analyzing-what-bogdan-bogdanovic-brings-to-the-milwaukee-bucks/ 

 

 

He is great team player, big basketball IQ, great locker room guy, but a three-point shooting was never his forte.

I've been watching him my whole life and he is a good scorer, but not a three-point shooter. So, we don't get a shooter but a complete player who will be a great complement to Trae.

[Peoriabird]

Is Emmanuel Mudiay any good?

[JTB]

6 minutes ago, SerbianHawk said:

 

He is great team player, big basketball IQ, great locker room guy, but a three-point shooting was never his forte.

I've been watching him my whole life and he is a good scorer, but not a three-point shooter. So, we don't get a shooter but a complete player who will be a great complement to Trae.

Career avg at 3 is 37% on good amount of attempts. That’s slightly above the nba 3pt avg of 35% so I will take it! May not be great like Gallo but he is a bit above avg.

[kg01]

9 hours ago, kg01 said:

2 more things that made me smile inside. 

1. Dwhine Howard thinking the Lakers were taking him back, tweeting about it, being wrong, having to delete the tweet, then sig ing with PHI for the minimum. 

3. TOR losing the admittedly aging Obama but hanging onto Mr. 41%. cRaptors'll still be solid but they're on the decline.  Screw em, it's out turn ( my 2021 motto)

#SEIOT2021

What the ...?

Could no one tell me about the errors in this post?  Geez, I said the aging "Ibaka", not Obama.  And that was point #2, not 3?!

Was i asleep or high?  Both? 

[JayBirdHawk]

55 minutes ago, NBASupes said:

Well, we can't massively overpay him. We don't have the cap for that. What we could do is SnT for him but it Sacramento wants too much aka more than Tony Snell and a couple of 2nds or a couple of 2nds and a TPE then Sacramento can have Bogi and deal with their cap situation. 

Then it's time for the Hawks to move on.