CAM REDDISH TO NY FOR KEVIN KNOX AND FIRST!?!

[bleachkit]

47 minutes ago, NBASupes said:

Watchout for Kyler Murray and Cam Reddish. Those two are game changers 

I'm a Raiders fan. I was praying they would trade up to #1 to get him, but it didn't happen. He has been really good in camp so far.

[Gray Mule]

Because Cam Reddish is a Hawk, I have watched several highlight films of his play, both in college and high school.  Impressive!  This kid has a soft, silky touch to his shooting and seems to handle the ball much like a good PG.

I have read several comments concerning his good defense.  He has the build for this.  Sadly, defense doesn't usually make the highlight films.

In his college films, I keep reminding myself, he did all this while fighting injuries.  Hunter was drafted because of his defensive power, said to be able to defend any position except center.  He showed a great scoring touch in the championship game and his team won.  He went out a winner.

Bruno joins this  group to make a talented trio coming to the Hawks this season to join our other youngsters.  It will take some time for these three to get their feet wet as they become legitimate NBA players.  Meanwhile, the Hawks have added other players through trades and outright signing as free agents.  Some of them have health problems which we hope they have overcome this summer and be ready to compete by day one of this season.

Cam Reddish, before the draft, was rated any where from #4 to somewhere in the teens.  He was still there @ #10 and the Hawks grabbed him, believing then and now that they got a steal.  I agree.  NBAsupes is sold.  So am I.  This kid has "it."  Reading that some "experts" feel that Hawk got a "D" in the draft because Cam had a bad year at Duke, they gave way too much to move up for Hunter and that Bruno will only be a G league player.

Also, I recently saw that the expected win total odds for the Hawks has moved up several wins.  Dedmon is gone and we miss him already.  We traded fatty for a young 7 ft. center.  If healthy, he will be in the battle for minutes.  Also, Bruno has not proven to be a dud. Not yet.

Hawks have so many questions this season.  If we are good, we may be really, really good.  Defense must improve.  It will.  So much to look forward to!!

Future championship Hawks are already on the roster.  All star players are here.  We must wait until this crop of youth matures.  As they grow from green rookies to mature, ripe NBA players, we just gotta hang on.  We are in for a wild ride !!

[benhillboy]

Couldn’t find your original post but it’s all good @NBASupes.  I don’t mind being on the checklist lol.  I thought for sure you were high on McLemore coming out, not trying to condescend or nothing.  I admire bold predictions on college guys right or wrong, I don’t watch so I don’t know shit.  

[NBASupes]

50 minutes ago, benhillboy said:

Couldn’t find your original post but it’s all good @NBASupes.  I don’t mind being on the checklist lol.  I thought for sure you were high on McLemore coming out, not trying to condescend or nothing.  I admire bold predictions on college guys right or wrong, I don’t watch so I don’t know shit.  

I wanted Ben and Nik Stauskas as cheap reclamation projects when they were in Sacramento as we had limited money and Horford and Sap was still here so let's take a chance with something cheap. 

 

As a prospect, I wasn't high on Ben but I wasn't like he is a future bust but once he went to SAC, you knew he likely wouldn't reach his ceiling as their player development was awful at the time. 

It's all love my brotha. 

Edited July 27, 2019 by NBASupes

[JayBirdHawk]

 

 

[thecampster]

My previous posts ignored....I am starting to worry about Cam being ready for training camp, etc.  There is a lot of work done between June/October to get up to NBA speed on the NBA game and sets.

[Gray Mule]

14 minutes ago, thecampster said:

My previous posts ignored....I am starting to worry about Cam being ready for training camp, etc.  There is a lot of work done between June/October to get up to NBA speed on the NBA game and sets.

Rather than come out too early after his surgery, I would hope that he take the proper time to fully recover before he goes all out.  He's much to valuable to take any chances of hurting him before he's healthy.

[JayBirdHawk]

22 minutes ago, thecampster said:

My previous posts ignored....I am starting to worry about Cam being ready for training camp, etc.  There is a lot of work done between June/October to get up to NBA speed on the NBA game and sets.

For reference....Huerter was cleared for 100% participation in practice from his predraft injury August 6th last year.

And there is no need to worry. He'll be cleared when they determine he's ready. Rather him filly healthy than rush him back.  It seems he's back but just working on individual stuff just no 3 on 3, 5 on 5 practices as yet.

[Spud2nique]

Agreed on last couple posts. We aren’t winning any championships in October of 2019...or any October for that matter.. Take ur time son, but hurry up lol as my math teacher would say.

[NBASupes]

https://twitter.com/brhoops/status/1154089638119858180

https://mobile.twitter.com/brhoops/status/1154089638119858180

Edited August 6, 2019 by NBASupes

[NBASupes]

Tremendous article: https://bballwriters.com/profiles/the-incredible-fit-and-potential-of-cam-reddish-in-atlanta/

[NBASupes]

NBA Draft College Coaches Poll: What do coaches think of Cam Reddish

Feb 25th, 2019

Spoiler

 

It’s another edition of the NBA Draft College Coaches Poll. Over the last three weeks, I reached out to 50 assistant coaches across college basketball to assess potential NBA and professional prospects across the sport. I talked to coaches from 25 of the 32 conferences in the country, had over 1,800 minutes worth of conversations, and discussed 227 prospects around college basketball with the unbiased people who know their games best: the coaches who have scouted and played against them.

The crux of the idea: in exchange for anonymity, I asked them to dissect every potential NBA prospect they’ve played this season. The result of these discussions was over 60,000 total words of breakdowns from the opposing teams that have to devise a way to slow down the best players in the country. With all of that content in tow, this week The Athletic will release a series of articles, spotlighting the most interesting subjects and insights garnered from coaches all across the country.

The goal here is not to have some sort of quantitative analysis confirming where someone should be ranked on my big board. Rather, we were looking for qualitative insights into each of these players’ games. These are the unfiltered, full thoughts of coaches that have played each of these guys. What makes them special? What are their weaknesses? How do they go about stopping them, and how can they be exploited? What are the contextual factors that affect their play?

Duke is obviously the most loaded team, talent-wise, we’ve seen in college basketball since the 2014-15 Kentucky team that saw eight players play in the NBA and a ninth also get drafted. Unlike that team, though, the talent with Duke is more top-heavy, featuring potentially the top-three picks in the 2019 NBA Draft. Because of his play this season, Zion Williamson earned his own breakout story within the poll. But what do coaches make of the other two top-three players, R.J. Barrett and Cam Reddish? What about Tre Jones? I spoke with six coaches who have played Duke about Barrett and Jones, and seven about Reddish. Here’s their take, followed by my thoughts.

 

R.J. BARRETT, DUKE

Relevant Measurements: 6-7, 205 pounds. 6-10 wingspan

Relevant Per-Game Stats: 22.7 PPG, 7.4 RPG, 4.0 APG, 0.9 SPG, 0.4 BPG, 44.8 FG%, 33.5 3P%, 68.2 FT%

Relevant Per-40 Stats: 26.8 PPG, 8.7 RPG, 4.7 APG, 1.1 SPG, 0.5 BPG

Advanced Numbers: 24.2 PER, 53.3 TS%, 50.4 eFG%, 21.6 AST%, 17.5 DEFREB%, 11.6 TO%, 32.3 USG%, 1.1 BLK%, 1.5 STL%

 

Fifth Coach

“Scorer’s mentality. He had no interest in guarding. He had an interest in gambling and going for steals. He’s very left-hand dominant. In my scout, I thought Reddish had a higher ceiling.”

 

CAM REDDISH, DUKE

Relevant Measurements: 6-8, 220 pounds. 7-1 wingspan

Relevant Per-Game Stats: 13.8 PPG, 3.5 RPG, 2.2 APG, 2.0 SPG, 0.4 BPG, 35.6 FG%, 34.0 3P%, 78.7 FT%

Relevant Per-40 Stats: 19.6 PPG, 4.5 RPG, 3.1 APG, 2.8 SPG, 0.6 BPG

Advanced Numbers: 25.5 PER, 50.5 TS%, 46.6 eFG%, 12.4 AST%, 10.5 DEFREB%, 15.9 TO%, 26.2 USG%, 1.4 BLK%, 3.8 STL%

First Coach

“In my scout, I wrote that I thought Reddish had a higher ceiling than all of Duke’s guys. That might be crazy, but his skill level is off the charts. He doesn’t have the killer mentality of a Zion or Barrett. I just think he’s so highly skilled. He can pass, dribble, shoot. He can score from all three levels. He might not have great percentages, but you can just tell this dude is an elite level shooter. It’ll take maybe two years to develop his body with his overall strength. But I think he has a high, high ceiling for the next level.”

“I think he’s going to be a really good pro based off of that body development. He’s going to fill out, and he’ll be stronger. He’ll always have that skill. Maybe he can’t be a superstar necessarily, but I see him being in the league a long time due to his skill set.”

Second Coach

“I think they’ve helped change his mindset a bit. Cam, as talented as he was in high school, when he got around other really good players he would defer a lot. On that team, he’s not the 1 or 2 option, but in every situation he’s 2A or 2B. He’s playing with more confidence. The question for him is whether he’s tough enough. Is he tough enough to compete in the league with the top 3-men? That’s what he’ll be. In terms of his skill, ability to make shots, he shoots at the NBA line, not the college line. We know he has NBA range. It’s a matter of: Is he tough enough to be guarded by NBA 3s, and tough enough to guard them?

“The loose handle has surprised me a little bit because I thought he handled it a little bit better. But in high school, with his talent level, and being kind of like a point forward, you don’t see it until now. Now, with defenses, there’s a scouting report every game. Guys will crawl up in him. But this is helping him in the long run by being guarded this way now, because I think he’s a worker. To me, it looks like it the way his game has improved. I don’t think you can be in their program and not be a worker. (Coach K would) sit you on the bench.

“I don’t think he’s a high-level finisher because it goes back to how tough is he? Is he willing to take the hits? Even in college every now and then, when you’re super athletic and you’re tough, you’re going to get some charges called on you because you’re going through guys. I’m not saying he’s soft, I just don’t know if he has a tough guys’ mentality. He’s not going to go through your chin.”

Third Coach

“I think he’s the guy that gets screwed in this deal. He has no space to do anything. And when he does do stuff, he seems to maybe do a little too much. But you can’t question his catch-and-shoot ability. It’s phenomenal. I think he can make a huge impact in the NBA. I’m a big Reddish guy. I really am. It’s not easy for him, because he’s not getting much outside of the kick-out catch and shoot stuff.

“I don’t know his ability to playmake. I don’t know his abilities to make plays for others. But that Louisville comeback, I know he shot an awful percentage, but he’s the guy who spearheaded that comeback. He just seems to me like a guy that can make an impact if his game keeps coming better. I’m a big fan.

“A little quiet for me on the court. Maybe doesn’t show enough passion. But again, I think he understands that he’s the third, sometimes the fourth guy. And he’s okay with that. I’d like him to be a little bit more forthright, a little bit more passionate, a little bit more aggressive when he can be. But I just don’t know what he can be there. Those other dudes are so good that he’s a catch-and-shoot guy. Now, if he was playing with a different team, or one those guys even, what does he look like? I don’t know, but I think he looks very different.

“I didn’t see him much in high school, so I don’t know if he did more of that in high school or not. But his ability to catch and shoot, and shoot off of angles and off of screens, it is top-notch. I think he’s a pretty good prospect. If you told me in four years that Cam Reddish is a better player than De’Andre Hunter, that wouldn’t shock me at all. Maybe even two years. I don’t know if he knows what he wants to be yet. I don’t know if he knows how good he can be yet.”

Fourth Coach

“He struggled in our game. We knew that if we could stay in front of him and be solid, he wasn’t great off the bounce. But he’s big. He’s huge. Obviously, he can really shoot the ball with space. The most impressive thing was just his size on the floor. His body was good. I was like, holy cow, his body looks good.

“The thing with him is, the way they play doesn’t benefit him. It benefits the other two guys, but not him. He doesn’t (get to) play off the bounce one-on-one as much as those guys. He gets somewhere, and just kinda spot-up shoots. I think he’d be able to do more at the next level. If you put him in some ball-screens, he could be a problem. But they don’t do that, they run that weave action.”

Fifth Coach

“I like his upside in the NBA more than Barrett. Because he doesn’t have the toughness of R.J. and Zion, he’s definitely getting overshadowed. And rightfully so. Those guys play harder, they’re more ready.

“But he doesn’t get to play with the ball in his hands, which is what he’s really good at. In the NBA, he has kind of a Tracy McGrady type talent base. He can handle the ball, he can shoot off the bounce. But he’s just cool. And that’s the scary thing. If he doesn’t get that fire or sense of urgency, he’ll end up being just a regular player. But if he gets it, he’ll be an NBA All-Star.”

Sixth Coach

“He’s got the look of a great NBA player. I’m not sure he’s got enough of the mentality to bring it every day, but he is talented. My goodness, he’s got the tools for sure.”

Seventh Coach

“I think he’s as good as it comes. His IQ of the game is good. His ability to get shots. He’s fairly tough. He’s got a chance to be really good. A lot of this stuff depends on where he goes. He needs to develop and adjust. I think all three guys probably have the ability to defend.”

The Athletic's Take: 

Reddish is obviously something of a wild card in this process, and that’s in large part due to the contextual issues that I highlighted earlier this season. From a skill perspective, there is a lot to like. In spite of the numbers, I feel good about Reddish becoming a terrific catch-and-shoot scorer in time, as his body matures and his consistency gets ironed out. His stroke is pure, and his balance is terrific. The increased spacing of the NBA court geometrically, as well as in terms of having better-shooting teammates, will also help him. He’s shooting just 38.5 percent on 2-point shots this season, a remarkably low number. Despite being 6-8 with good length and terrific body control, he’s in the 33rd percentile according to Synergy in finishing at the basket in the halfcourt, making just 48.6 percent. However, given that none of his most common teammates (Barrett, Williamson, Jones, Javin DeLaurier, Marques Bolden and Jack White) are hitting even 34 percent from 3—all but Barrett are under 30 percent—there is just absolutely no space for him to attack in the paint.

Currently, Reddish is fourth on my draft board. I think the increased space offensively and the improved defensive acumen he’s shown this year give him a pretty solid floor in the NBA. It’s hard to imagine a big wing with size, athleticism, and shooting ability like Reddish not at least becoming a good role player. And if the light clicks on, and he starts figuring out just how aggressive he can be and how hard he needs to play regularly, there is legit star upside here.

 

Edited August 26, 2019 by NBASupes

[Thomas]

More ready to see what NBA coaches think of Cam ten months from now. Expecting a lot myself but still trying to be reasonable...seriously...he is still a kid. Believe he will be an instrumental swing for us and probably pretty soon but lets let him, the roster and staff gel here for a few live season games at least. 

[TheNorthCydeRises]

On 7/18/2019 at 8:03 PM, NBASupes said:

 

@AHF, you know what it is? People just don't think he is that talented. They think, oh, he must just look like the part. They don't realize this guy is extremely talented. More talented than PG as a prospect. He just doesn't have a normal skill-set for a G/F of his size. He has a modern analytic based game. 

That would me my view of Cam.  I think he can be OK, but I don't think he's that talented.  I don't even think he'll be as good as your old homie O.J. Mayo, and OJ at least showed flashes that he could ball.

OJ's first 2 years in the league were more than solid.  He had the year that people expect Kevin Huerter is going to have this year.  So if Reddish plays like a 21 year old OJ Mayo, I'll be hella impressed.

[NBASupes]

5) Stats Mirror 4: Cam Reddish and Klay Thompson.

 

It’s strange that people have come around on Reddish’s total lack of burst athleticism and yet still claim he’s not assertive enough. He’s shooting 22 true shooting attempts per 40, an insanely high number for any player, let alone a freshman. How much more assertive do you want him to be?

In other words, and as I’ve said before, he doesn’t attack the basket more aggressively and more effectively because he simply isn’t blessed with the athleticism to do so. What he is blessed with is a jumper, the ability to find shots from distance and incredible length. Indeed, the only two major college players to get 3s off like Cam are Marshall Henderson and Trae Young, and I believe the only guy to get 12+ 3-point attempts per 40 with 3 steals per 40 is Stephen Curry.

And it’s not just context that allows him to do so. Or if it is,  you’d figure there’d be another 6-foot-4 + shooter to have done so in the past, since plenty have been on loaded teams as 2nd or 3rd options and with the green light to shoot whenever open to include Kyle Korver, Doug McDermott, JJ Redick, Shane Battier, Shan Foster, Buddy Hield, Ray Allen, Richard Hamilton (he shot threes in college),Paul  Pierce, Vince Carter and Klay Thompson, or whoever you want to name. None of them did this. So the ability to get shots up, even if it doesn’t seem like Reddish is doing anything all that special likely does have quite a bit to do with Reddish’s abilities, as most of these other players max out around 9-10 3-point attempts per 40.

All this is to say, Reddish’s avenue to being a high value player is as a 3&D player who breaks the mold, since it’s possible he’ll add volume shooting (ala Klay) to the defensive package. And his defensive skills are potentially much better than pretty much any player considered an elite 3-point threat in the NBA. That’s not just in the NBA now. That’s in NBA history, including Klay, since Reddish has much better defensive size, defensive athleticism (sliding athleticism on D is more than sufficient) and length.

Now consider I’m talking about potential, which is quite a bit different than actuality (i.e. Klay is currently a much better defender than Reddish and Reddish would have to improve a lot to overtake him) and also only talking about the elite or potentially elite shooters. So Kawhi, who was the best 3&D player ever before stepping up to offensive focal point, isn’t involved in the conversation because his 3-point jumper is somewhat less than elite. I’m not talking about the best player of this type, but the best defender who also happens to potentially be an elite 3-point shooter. Reddish could be that.

If you want some sense as to how much that could be worth, watch either the 2016 Golden State-Portland playoff series when Steph was hurt and the Warriors redesigned its offense on the fly around Klay’s jump shot while Klay also disrupted Lillard in multiple games, or the 2013 Finals between Miami and San Antonio in which Danny Green went crazy and Miami simply couldn’t defend him and had to pray for him to miss shots, which he eventually did, in order to win the series.

There’s a lot of potential value in this type of player if the coach understands who he is and puts him in the right scheme. The problem, for a player like Reddish, is that people may expect him to be something he’s not and fail to put him into that context.

Other statistical contenders: Marshall Henderson, Steph Curry, Ray Allen, Danny Green, Shane Battier, Kyle Korver.

https://www.thestepien.com/2018/12/12/draft-notes-shittu-reddish-little-mirror-seasons/

[NBASupes]

1 hour ago, TheNorthCydeRises said:

That would me my view of Cam.  I think he can be OK, but I don't think he's that talented.  I don't even think he'll be as good as your old homie O.J. Mayo, and OJ at least showed flashes that he could ball.

OJ's first 2 years in the league were more than solid.  He had the year that people expect Kevin Huerter is going to have this year.  So if Reddish plays like a 21 year old OJ Mayo, I'll be hella impressed.

O.J. wasn't my guy. He was my guy for that squad and unit for the style of play we had at that time. Let's not say that's my guy. 

It's not my job to convince you otherwise. That's Cam job. Just like it wasn't our job to convince @Sothron Trae Young was good. That was Trae's job. 

[Spud2nique]

6 minutes ago, NBASupes said:

O.J. wasn't my guy. He was my guy for that squad and unit for the style of play we had at that time. Let's not say that's my guy. 

It's not my job to convince you otherwise. That's Cam job. Just like it wasn't our job to convince @Sothron Trae Young was good. That was Trae's job. 

Where is Soth? He’s mile highing himself a good ☝  

[JayBirdHawk]

2 hours ago, Thomas said:

More ready to see what NBA coaches think of Cam ten months from now. Expecting a lot myself but still trying to be reasonable...seriously...he is still a kid. Believe he will be an instrumental swing for us and probably pretty soon but lets let him, the roster and staff gel here for a few live season games at least. 

Well said!

[Sothron]

On 8/26/2019 at 7:36 PM, Spud2nique said:

Where is Soth? He’s mile highing himself a good ☝  

I'm here, just buried in work and life. Definitely looking forward to the upcoming season tho.

[Sothron]

On 8/26/2019 at 7:29 PM, NBASupes said:

O.J. wasn't my guy. He was my guy for that squad and unit for the style of play we had at that time. Let's not say that's my guy. 

It's not my job to convince you otherwise. That's Cam job. Just like it wasn't our job to convince @Sothron Trae Young was good. That was Trae's job. 

This ain't wrong. I said I would give him a chance to prove me wrong and he did. Very glad he did. Hope he keeps on doing that for as long as he's a Hawk.