Official Game Thread: Raptors at Hawks

[bleachkit]

16 minutes ago, JayBirdHawk said:

We missed Trae's effort on defense tonight 

He would have locked up Gary Trent Jr. 

[Diesel]

@Hawkmoor    You wanna see a dead body??

 

Rank	Player	APG
1.	Magic Johnson*	11.19
2.	John Stockton*	10.51
3.	Oscar Robertson*	9.51
4.	Chris Paul	9.47
5.	Isiah Thomas*	9.26
6.	Kevin Johnson	9.13
7.	John Wall	9.07
8.	Jason Kidd*	8.69
9.	Russell Westbrook	8.50
10.	Steve Nash*	8.4

 

These are the top 10 apg players in the HISTORY Of This League..   Right now, Trae doesn't qualify to be on the list because he's only 4 years in... BUT if he did, he would be #8.   His first year he averaged 8.1... without that he would be #5.

 

[Atlantaholic]

FYI Collins averaged 22ppg 10rpg and 53% from the field in the previous three games he played without Trae Young this year before tonight.

[JayBirdHawk]

Just now, bleachkit said:

He would have locked up Gary Trent Jr. 

Trae's best defense is his offense. It changes how Toronto would guard him, maybe affect the legs of Trent and FVV.

[Atlantaholic]

2 minutes ago, Atlantaholic said:

FYI Collins averaged 22ppg 10rpg and 53% from the field in the previous three games he played without Trae Young this year before tonight.

*21.66 and 8.33 

[Diesel]

@Hawkmoor   You said High Usage = High Assists?

Ok...  Top 20 Usage%

1.	Joel Embiid • PHI	36.7
2.	Luka Dončić • DAL	35.8
3.	Giannis Antetokounmpo • MIL	35.4
4.	Trae Young • ATL	35.3
5.	Donovan Mitchell • UTA	33.0
6.	Ja Morant • MEM	32.7
7.	Devin Booker • PHO	32.4
8.	Jayson Tatum • BOS	32.2
9.	Stephen Curry • GSW	31.7
10.	Nikola Jokić • DEN	31.4
11.	LeBron James • LAL	31.2
12.	Kevin Durant • BRK	31.1
13.	Jaylen Brown • BOS	31.0
14.	DeMar DeRozan • CHI	31.0
15.	Bradley Beal • WAS	30.6
16.	Zach LaVine • CHI	30.0
17.	Shai Gilgeous-Alexander • OKC	29.7
18.	Damian Lillard • POR	29.6
19.	Brandon Ingram • NOP	29.4
20.	Tyler Herro • MIA	29.2

 

Top 20 APG

1.	Chris Paul • PHO	10.3
2.	James Harden • BRK	10.1
3.	Trae Young • ATL	9.3
4.	Dejounte Murray • SAS	9.1
5.	Kyle Lowry • MIA	8.3
6.	Darius Garland • CLE	8.2
7.	Nikola Jokić • DEN	7.8
8.	Russell Westbrook • LAL	7.7
9.	LaMelo Ball • CHO	7.7
10.	Tyrese Haliburton • SAC	7.2
11.	Fred VanVleet • TOR	7.0
12.	D'Angelo Russell • MIN	6.9
13.	Ja Morant • MEM	6.8
14.	Bradley Beal • WAS	6.6
15.	Jrue Holiday • MIL	6.6
16.	Stephen Curry • GSW	6.3
17.	Josh Giddey • OKC	6.1
18.	Cole Anthony • ORL	6.0
19.	Giannis Antetokounmpo • MIL	5.8
20.	Kevin Durant • BRK	5

 

Where are all these PGs?  I mean, Ja Maront and Steph Curry are right there with Trae in the Usage top 20.   Why aren't they closer?  How about there's no correlation?

[TheNorthCydeRises]

21 minutes ago, Hawkmoor said:

Top 10 in usage.

 

How many guys with top 10 usage % are also top 10 in assist %?

 

[Sothron]

And here goes AgendaSquawk after a loss, just as predicted.

[bleachkit]

How can someone as talented as JC have a game that awful? 

[TheNorthCydeRises]

1 minute ago, Diesel said:

@Hawkmoor   You said High Usage = High Assists?

Ok...  Top 20 Usage%

1.	Joel Embiid • PHI	36.7
2.	Luka Dončić • DAL	35.8
3.	Giannis Antetokounmpo • MIL	35.4
4.	Trae Young • ATL	35.3
5.	Donovan Mitchell • UTA	33.0
6.	Ja Morant • MEM	32.7
7.	Devin Booker • PHO	32.4
8.	Jayson Tatum • BOS	32.2
9.	Stephen Curry • GSW	31.7
10.	Nikola Jokić • DEN	31.4
11.	LeBron James • LAL	31.2
12.	Kevin Durant • BRK	31.1
13.	Jaylen Brown • BOS	31.0
14.	DeMar DeRozan • CHI	31.0
15.	Bradley Beal • WAS	30.6
16.	Zach LaVine • CHI	30.0
17.	Shai Gilgeous-Alexander • OKC	29.7
18.	Damian Lillard • POR	29.6
19.	Brandon Ingram • NOP	29.4
20.	Tyler Herro • MIA	29.2

 

Top 20 APG

1.	Chris Paul • PHO	10.3
2.	James Harden • BRK	10.1
3.	Trae Young • ATL	9.3
4.	Dejounte Murray • SAS	9.1
5.	Kyle Lowry • MIA	8.3
6.	Darius Garland • CLE	8.2
7.	Nikola Jokić • DEN	7.8
8.	Russell Westbrook • LAL	7.7
9.	LaMelo Ball • CHO	7.7
10.	Tyrese Haliburton • SAC	7.2
11.	Fred VanVleet • TOR	7.0
12.	D'Angelo Russell • MIN	6.9
13.	Ja Morant • MEM	6.8
14.	Bradley Beal • WAS	6.6
15.	Jrue Holiday • MIL	6.6
16.	Stephen Curry • GSW	6.3
17.	Josh Giddey • OKC	6.1
18.	Cole Anthony • ORL	6.0
19.	Giannis Antetokounmpo • MIL	5.8
20.	Kevin Durant • BRK	5

 

Where are all these PGs?  I mean, Ja Maront and Steph Curry are right there with Trae in the Usage top 20.   Why aren't they closer?  How about there's no correlation?

 

This is what I wanted to see.

[aali34]

21 minutes ago, Hawkmoor said:

USAGE.  By default, a player like Trae will accidently have a high number of assists.  When and how you get assists is as important as when you shoot 3 pointers.

His usage is only 2 percentage points higher than Kyrie Irving and Kyrie ain't matching him in points or assists.

How come De'Aaron Fox or Shai Gilgeous-Alexander or any ball dominant gaurd can't do these things? Why is Trae top 6 all time in 30/10-assist games if any high usage gaurd can do it?

I get the guy has flaws, but it's bizarre to me to downplay his ability to accidental. 

[HawkingAwesome]

how the heck you accidentally assist?

[Diesel]

2 minutes ago, bleachkit said:

How can someone as talented as JC have a game that awful? 

Check out the goat in some Playoff games.

If it can happen to the goat... it can happen to anybody.  

[terrell]

12 minutes ago, Atlantaholic said:

FYI Collins averaged 22ppg 10rpg and 53% from the field in the previous three games he played without Trae Young this year before tonight.

How many of those games did we win? JUst curious...

[TheNorthCydeRises]

1 minute ago, HawkingAwesome said:

how the heck you accidentally assist?

 

The internet is undefeated

 

 

[terrell]

4 minutes ago, bleachkit said:

How can someone as talented as JC have a game that awful? 

Talented how?

[aali34]

1 minute ago, HawkingAwesome said:

how the heck you accidentally assist?

He obviously tries to jack up as many shots as possible and his teammates just happen to be in line of his shooting trajectory so they intercept it and score so it gets counted as an assist.

This whole time we thought Trae was a passing wizard but his teammates been bailing him out.

[Atlantaholic]

4 minutes ago, bleachkit said:

How can someone as talented as JC have a game that awful? 

Third time he has been held at 8 points or less this year. Ben Simmons was held under 8 points during 5 straight playoff games. 

3 minutes ago, terrell said:

How many of those games did we win? JUst curious...

We were 1-2

[Diesel]

3 minutes ago, terrell said:

How many of those games did we win? JUst curious...

Last year, Collins without Young. 

Not so bad.

60% FG  50% from 3...

 

[terrell]

8 minutes ago, Sothron said:

And here goes AgendaSquawk after a loss, just as predicted.