The cobbled together, stuff we held on to during the playoffs mega super rumor and team direction thread.

[sturt]

So here's what I've got, Sunday June 5, 2022... fwiw, almost certainly nothing...

 

Two OKC trades, but with a new twist to boost our low post defense in addition to acquiring Roby...

 

Trade 1a

Gallo for Vasilje Micic (ostensibly a contract of no more than the $8.85m/yr for which Gallo could be traded for... (($5m x 1.75)+100K)

Trade 1b

BogBog + #16 pick for Lu Dort, Kenrich Williams, Isaiah Roby and Derrick Favors + #34 pick

 

Free Agent

Get Delon back

 

Outcome

1s: Young, Cooper

1.5s: Wright, Micic, Mays

2s: Dort

2.5s Huerter, Williams

3s Hunter

3.5s: Johnson

4s:

4.5s: Collins, Favors, Roby

5s: Capela, Okongwu

 

 

 

[terrell]

Is this real? lol

 

Edited June 5, 2022 by terrell

[TheNorthCydeRises]

7 hours ago, marco102 said:

That trade is not ideal.  Ivey could be a bust and I'm not down for these  PF guard trade ideas. 

We might eventually get a stronger back court, but teams will probably kill us on the boards again.

 

 

[marco102]

1 minute ago, TheNorthCydeRises said:

 

 

I've seen Ivey play. I'm a big fan of his. I'm not giving up John for Ivey to be good in two to three years.

If you want to do it for a wing on the team, sure. 

NOT JC. 

 

[TheNorthCydeRises]

1 hour ago, terrell said:

Is this real? lol

 

 

Yeah . . . keep that dude away from ATL. 

If he's willing to say that already about Brooklyn, without playing a single game, there's no telling what his mindset will be when he actually IS healthy.  Let that be Brooklyn's headache.  If it works for them, great.  If it doesn't, that's great too.

[marco102]

3 minutes ago, TheNorthCydeRises said:

 

Yeah . . . keep that dude away from ATL. 

If he's willing to say that already about Brooklyn, without playing a single game, there's no telling what his mindset will be when he actually IS healthy.  Let that be Brooklyn's headache.  If it works for them, great.  If it doesn't, that's great too.

Could be that Brooklyn has a toxic culture with Kyrie and Harden.  KD not being happy about the way things are going down. 

If Simmons says he will play in Atlanta, I'll bring him in.  When healthy, he and Trae compliment each other's weaknesses better than any other players.

[kg01]

4 minutes ago, TheNorthCydeRises said:

 

Yeah . . . keep that dude away from ATL. 

If he's willing to say that already about Brooklyn, without playing a single game, there's no telling what his mindset will be when he actually IS healthy.  Let that be Brooklyn's headache.  If it works for them, great.  If it doesn't, that's great too.

Maybe wait for a better source before flaming the guy. That quote sounds made up by someone wanting to make an anti-Simmons point.

[marco102]

2 minutes ago, kg01 said:

Maybe wait for a better source before flaming the guy. That quote sounds made up by someone wanting to make an anti-Simmons point.

just noticed the tweet was from buttcrack sports.

[terrell]

9 minutes ago, TheNorthCydeRises said:

 

Yeah . . . keep that dude away from ATL. 

If he's willing to say that already about Brooklyn, without playing a single game, there's no telling what his mindset will be when he actually IS healthy.  Let that be Brooklyn's headache.  If it works for them, great.  If it doesn't, that's great too.

Not sure if its a real quote or not.. lol

[Peoriabird]

5 hours ago, Hawkmoor said:

No way the Celtics are that much better than the Hawks TALENT wise.  Its coaching, defense, and not letting one player dominate the offense.  Its a complete cohesive unit that swarms on defense AND offense.  Its that simple.  It doesn't matter who the Hawks draft, trade for or sign as a free agent if the first three points are not addressed.  This could've been said 142 pages ago.  The first point is the first problem.  Address the coaching.  What is mostly likely gonna happen is the perfect candidate for the gig, Quinn Synder (who I have been harping for) is gonna replace the Spurs head coach after next season.

Synder has been linked to the Spurs as far back as March as this article explains.  I could care less about his differences with the Jazz front office and how that team is being built.  It works in the Hawks favor. The Pops/Bud system is perfect for how the Hawks are constructed. Synder also isn't afraid to get on his superstar out in Utah.  He has the personality and coaching chops to get this Hawks team where it needs to be.  The Hawks GM should persuade him to not hold out for the Spurs job and come to the Hawks.  They can do that or keep the guy who keeps his arms folded in front of him trying to look tough and don't know what the heck is he doing.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10029741-nba-rumors-jazzs-quin-snyder-seen-as-possible-gregg-popovich-replacement-with-spurs

Utah Jazz head coach Quin Snyder is viewed as a potential candidate to eventually replace Gregg Popovich as head coach of the San Antonio Spurs, according to NBA insider Marc Stein (h/t Sam Quinn of CBS Sports). 

 

 

 

Actually I did address it numerous times even with a mod who told me that front office would prefer to trade players rather than pay 2 coaches

[Peoriabird]

13 minutes ago, marco102 said:

Could be that Brooklyn has a toxic culture with Kyrie and Harden.  KD not being happy about the way things are going down. 

If Simmons says he will play in Atlanta, I'll bring him in.  When healthy, he and Trae compliment each other's weaknesses better than any other players.

Lol!!!

[akay]

Yall, please don't become victim to a buttcrack sports tweet lol.

If Simmons is unhappy we should definitely make a play for him imo, but that tweet doesn't mean anything 

[Q45T]

12 minutes ago, akay said:

Yall, please don't become victim to a buttcrack sports tweet lol.

If Simmons is unhappy we should definitely make a play for him imo, but that tweet doesn't mean anything 

Lmao I was just about to say I know y’all not falling for a buttcrack sports tweet

[nathan2331]

4 hours ago, sturt said:

A couple or three things get very lost in our equations, seems to me.

First, how do you value Jalen Johnson? Is he for real? When you read his G-League coach commenting that he reminds him in terms of skill set and size of LeBron... is that just hype, or do you really see that yourself (... the precise question being "do you see the same skill set"... not if you think he's actually going to become the next LeBron).

He's a valuable trade piece theoretically, if you ascend to the idea that SGA is a legit pursuit.

And then again, he's a valuable asset to have right now for ATL, if you ascend to the idea that he is ready to contribute in the rotation.

Same thought, put another way... just how comfortable are you with penciling JJ into a 22-23 rotation role, and assuming the best/

Second, same idea, different player... should we be more open-minded to trading Big2O? Is he for real? Because he also could be a valuable trade piece, making about the same money as JJ, and with a similar projected upside.

Third, same idea, different player... should we presume Dre is as good as he's ever going to be?... and if so, should we be more open-minded to trading him?

Any or all of those three could be tremendously important pieces to a major trade. Then again, do we move one, only to find that they validated their draft scouting reports after all?

 

If I were going to part with any of the three, it would be JJ. He's not yet been folded into the cake batter, so there's no chemistry/familiarity naturally lost by dealing him.

But then I pause and remind myself that all of the good things he's done in a Hawks or Skyhawks game, he's done having only played 9 games as a HS senior, and only 13 more as a college freshman. I mean, that's slap-yo-mama compelling.

 

 

 

 

Jalen Johnson in my opinion was an absolute steal, and McMillan made a terrible decision by not finding a way to get him into the rotation. His dribbling and passing skills are much better than our other bigs, and he's got the athleticism to play small forward. It's the 3 point shot that's needs to improve, but even without it, he could have heelped us this season. Gallo did not need to get all of Collins minutes when he was injured, and TLC should have never gotten minutes ahead of Johnson.

 

I'd hesitate to trade Okongwu, Hunter or Johnson before we have to because we can't afford to pay them. All three can help us win games, and we have other attractive trade pieces. The main sources of our struggles were health and then coaching. Even if we upgrade the personnel, if the coaching is similar quality and we're still dealing with multiple injuries once the playoffs arrive, we'll see another early exit.

[GameTime]

First domino to fall #JazzFireSale? @NBASupes @Sothron @thecampster

 

[ShooterSays]

6 minutes ago, GameTime said:

First domino to fall #JazzFireSale? @NBASupes @Sothron @thecampster

 

Bring him home!

[sturt]

1 hour ago, TheNorthCydeRises said:

 

Yeah . . . keep that dude away from ATL. 

If he's willing to say that already about Brooklyn, without playing a single game, there's no telling what his mindset will be when he actually IS healthy.  Let that be Brooklyn's headache.  If it works for them, great.  If it doesn't, that's great too.

Ben "Medusa" Simmons... so tempting, yet so dangerous.

 

[warcore]

1 hour ago, marco102 said:

I've seen Ivey play. I'm a big fan of his. I'm not giving up John for Ivey to be good in two to three years.

If you want to do it for a wing on the team, sure. 

NOT JC. 

 

Our wings suck tho.... Ivey doesn't. JC is the only one with value to get something back like this. 

[sturt]

16 minutes ago, nathan2331 said:

Jalen Johnson in my opinion was an absolute steal, and McMillan made a terrible decision by not finding a way to get him into the rotation. His dribbling and passing skills are much better than our other bigs, and he's got the athleticism to play small forward. It's the 3 point shot that's needs to improve, but even without it, he could have heelped us this season. Gallo did not need to get all of Collins minutes when he was injured, and TLC should have never gotten minutes ahead of Johnson.

Thanks for the response. Good thoughts.

I wanted JJ to get those minutes that became available after JC got hurt. With you on that much.

But I get it... you can't assume that a kid who in his previous two years played 9 and 13 games respectively, and then played a few minutes in a few games at a pro level and a few more at a G-league level... and too, midseason had his own health issues curtailing his development... isn't going to be overwhelmed by the expectations. And, in light of the context that McM had to be conscious of a double-whammy that, beyond overwhelming and discouraging him individually, McM wasn't exactly ever able to take the foot off the pedal in the pursuit of a post-season berth... even late, after we'd sealed a play-in slot, there remained some possibility that a better seeding would evolve for us.

I wish it had been different. I may have made a different call if I were the head coach.

But I understand the decision. And I respect the decision... because I just can't know what McM and his staff know, nor even if I did, would I have the credentials to be able to persuade anyone that my conclusions are smarter. They'd worked with JJ and they have some past experiences to draw upon. In all intellectual humility, I have to acquiesce to the belief they had a grasp of what was best.

And.

I would argue differently if, after all that, they still didn't make the post season. Then, it would have been a waste of an opportunity in 20/20 hindsight. It turned out the decision, at least for certain, didn't cost us a post season slot. Maybe JJ will turn out to be so good so fast next season that we all will re-visit the conversation, and wonder if he might have been a difference maker versus MIA. At the moment anyway, though, that seems intensely optimistic.

[Sothron]

29 minutes ago, GameTime said:

First domino to fall #JazzFireSale? @NBASupes @Sothron @thecampster

 

If it was my choice Nate would be out the door for Snyder who is IMO a much better coach. Nate is a top 15 coach in the 10-15 range. Snyder is a top ten 10 coach.