Official Game Thread: Hawks at Knicks

[Spud2nique]

48 minutes ago, benhillboy said:

I didn’t see any that were especially poignant but this one looks like they’re in a long distance relationship with Jimmy jumping into Traes less-than-enthused arms.

No the one they getting busy on the floor choking each other  

[Spud2nique]

1 hour ago, kg01 said:

Fax! 

Why people can't be happy we have them both?

Same reason SOME (cough cough, no really I do have a horrible cough it won’t end) folks around here think we not ready for Crowder. We ready, we are at THAT stage. 

 

[Spud2nique]

21 minutes ago, JayBirdHawk said:

 

 

@NBASupes your boy needed the ball there he was wide open. RJ got that Cam tunnel vision, prolly a Duke thang  (excluding AJ)…

And JJ  

Edited November 3, 2022 by Spud2nique

[JeffS17]

54 minutes ago, sturt said:

You send the message to other current and future players, "You're not the boss, and we will not be manipulated." That has some value.

You also send the message across the league, "We're not going to settle for anything less than our price, so you might as well forget your visions of a steep discount." That has some value.

Unfortauntely, that's the opposite kind of message you want to send if your goal is to attract talent to your organization.  That messaging might work for running a factory where workers, who have no other employment options, are trying to unionize -- but these are NBA players making millions; they're not interested in joining that type of culture.  Why would they be?

The messaging to other owners might have some long term value, but they also might just see you as an unreasonable trade partner.

[NBASupes]

26 minutes ago, JayBirdHawk said:

 

 

Trae isn't a bad screener. He needs to do it more. Stockton was great at screening 

[JeffS17]

2 minutes ago, Spud2nique said:

@NBASupes your boy needed the ball there he was wide open. RJ got that Cam tunnel vision, prolly a Duke thang  (excluding AJ)…

And JJ  

lol this is exactly why I was down but not hopeless in the first half -- Knicks just play ugly selfish basketball all around.  You can always count on Barrett and Randles shot selection to give you a chance to get back in the game. 

[JayBirdHawk]

 

 

[Spud2nique]

3 minutes ago, JeffS17 said:

but they also might just see you as an unreasonable trade partner.

Ya like me in fantasy, I rejected so many trades that people don’t offer me trades anymore. Well except for Eddie, he’s a tenacious one for sure. You don’t wanna get left outside the party as a GM though or get a bad rep I agree. 

[Hawkmoor]

1 hour ago, bleachkit said:

This was a DJM win period. Trae didn't do the "little things" to help us win this game. If anything our defense finally had a chance to clamp down when Trae went out. 

This is not hard. When players are involved on offense, their defense will step up.  They respond to Murray because not only does he play hard defense, the offense isn't a black hole when he runs the point.  Its a more cohesive offense with continuity. The Hawks would be best served to let Murray run the point the majority of the time from here on out. 

Trae got back into his game as the shooting guard against the Knicks which is where he should be.  Murray feed him at spots on the floor that played very well into Trae's game.  There are points in a game where the other team gets on a run and you want Trae to be the old Trae and you let him bring it up, but you do that in spots, not the entire game.

 

Edited November 3, 2022 by Hawkmoor

[kg01]

Just now, Spud2nique said:

Same reason SOME (cough cough, no really I do have a horrible cough it won’t end) folks around here think we not ready for Crowder. We ready, we are at THAT stage. 

 

So AJ plus what for Crowder?

(Get some tea and lemons, squd.  Mix in a cough drop or 3.)

[sturt]

6 minutes ago, JeffS17 said:

Unfortauntely, that's the opposite kind of message you want to send if your goal is to attract talent to your organization.  That messaging might work for running a factory where workers, who have no other employment options, are trying to unionize -- but these are NBA players making millions; they're not interested in joining that type of culture.  Why would they be?

Well, first... like I said...

  

1 hour ago, sturt said:

Wise?

I don't claim the omniscience to know. But it's a legitimate question.

 

But, that said, I don't agree that it's something that would be taken as out-of-bounds for a GM to want to discourage his players from not honoring their contracts if they happen to disagree with what is rightfully a management decision.

To the contrary, we teach people how to treat us, and that applies to the employer/employee relationship too. If the lesson from Crowder's episode were to become that there's no downside to pouting, that tends to push the team culture toward more pouting, whether to the degree that Crowder's done it, or something less (or more).

[kg01]

9 minutes ago, JayBirdHawk said:

 

 

Yeah that's basically basketball p*rn.  The blocks were down right disrespectful.  

[Hawkmoor]

13 minutes ago, JayBirdHawk said:

 

 

Best game the Hawks have played in decades and I'm serious about that.

[Spud2nique]

3 minutes ago, kg01 said:

So AJ plus what for Crowder?

I’m glad your having fun here but stress is very bad for the epidermis…  

hummmmmmmmmmmhummmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

Ya I had cough DM OTC stuff. You know it’s JJ… why you gotta bring junior into it. 
 

JHol and a 2024 2nd round pick.

   

[Spud2nique]

1 minute ago, Hawkmoor said:

Best game the Hawks have played in decades and I'm serious about that.

You missed the 2014-15 campaign? We had some pretty good games that year. Awesome game though, wait you look familiar Hawkmoor…. Hawkmoor…. Hawkmoor… AH! Got it! You the Kyrie guy! Should we still get him you think? (Asking for a friend named @kg01).

They were just discussing on NBA radio how Meyers Leonard basically got dumped by the league for the antisemitic comment while playing a video game but Kyrie won’t get the same treatment. They did mention though that Kyrie never said it himself like Meyers he just agree with things. 

Players that made the league crap :

Dwight Howard (who is begging the scrubs for a job or anyone, sad)

Kyrie Irving (all about him, look at me, love me, watch me)

Ben Simmons (I wish god gave his basketball talents to someone who liked the game)

…. And others…  

[AHF]

18 minutes ago, JeffS17 said:

Unfortauntely, that's the opposite kind of message you want to send if your goal is to attract talent to your organization.  That messaging might work for running a factory where workers, who have no other employment options, are trying to unionize -- but these are NBA players making millions; they're not interested in joining that type of culture.  Why would they be?

The messaging to other owners might have some long term value, but they also might just see you as an unreasonable trade partner.

I think you are reading it a bit too narrowly.  For many years, teams like LA do their best to send the message that they are royalty and nobody's b****.  Miami sends that message today.  Do players try to avoid Miami and similar teams like that?  No.  They respect that these teams don't give up talent without getting a good return just because someone wants to leave.  That doesn't mean it can't go sour for teams who mistreat their players but Crowder isn't being mistreated.  He is just being asked to play out the rest of his contract.  That isn't exactly a bullying message.  It is more of one to stand up for yourself.

I'd tell TS/LF to go **** themselves if they offered me JH and a second for Crowder.  Phoenix has plenty of time to work the trade lines.  A whole bunch of other players will become potential trade targets on December 15.  No need for them to rush just to pick up a 2nd round pick.

[Dejay]

On an aside, am I still banned from watching Hawks basketball games?

[MarylandHawk]

4 hours ago, benhillboy said:

Damn.  My favorite flick of Trae ever.  If you’re a fan of Traes this should be your avatar forever more.

I like this but the no look alley oop to clint would be my avatar if I was that technically savvy. 

[MarylandHawk]

59 minutes ago, Hawkmoor said:

This is not hard. When players are involved on offense, their defense will step up.  They respond to Murray because not only does he play hard defense, the offense isn't a black hole when he runs the point.  Its a more cohesive offense with continuity. The Hawks would be best served to let Murray run the point the majority of the time from here on out. 

Trae got back into his game as the shooting guard against the Knicks which is where he should be.  Murray feed him at spots on the floor that played very well into Trae's game.  There are points in a game where the other team gets on a run and you want Trae to be the old Trae and you let him bring it up, but you do that in spots, not the entire game.

 

This is off-base. Trae has had more success running the show his way than Murray has. To relegate Trae to a spot up shooter would be crazy.  Let’s stop trying to put these guys into an old mold that is no longer relevant. They are figuring out a way to merge their games so they can maximize what both do best.  I’m snuffing out all the Trae shade around here. Lol. 

[Spud2nique]

55 minutes ago, AHF said:

nobody's b****.

Whoa AHol you get hacked? You rarely let the explicits fly like that. How’d it feel?