Plainview1981 Posted July 11, 2023 Report Share Posted July 11, 2023 15 minutes ago, Final_quest said: I’ve been on a couple business trips. Think Toronto would surprise a lot of people. It’s more like NYC. Now I know that I don't want to go to Toronto. Lol 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thecampster Posted July 11, 2023 Report Share Posted July 11, 2023 12 minutes ago, JeffS17 said: I understand the appeal of KAT but we were like #7 offense last year with JC broken shot, no spacing from Capela, and midrange Murray— not to mention outdated offensive principles from Nate. More offense at the expense of defense does not feel like the direction to go… especially at center. Imo its way easier to coach guys into an offensive scheme that gets them them better looks, better efficiency, than it is to teach defensive instincts and awareness. So team Siakam for me So one thing about defensive metrics, they are highly dependent on how the defensive possession begins. Defensive possession stats go like this (in order worst scenario for defense to best). Worst - turnover leads to transition. long rebound leads to transition possession due to offensive rebound change of possession due to jump shot rebound change of possession due to layup rebound half court out of bounds Full court out of bounds off made layup best - full court out of bounds play off jump shot, 3 point shot, made free throw By efficiency, turnovers lead to the most points by the other team (on average). Made shots where the team gets a chance to run down and set up on defense are the best. So there is a benefit to offensive efficiency and better 3 point shooting. It leads to more set defensive sets, which does make defense easier to play. Its minor but it is a consideration. Many times things aren't as easy as they seem. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
txsting Posted July 11, 2023 Report Share Posted July 11, 2023 1 hour ago, Hawkish said: I hope Indiana wins the sweepstakes at this point. We should not try and top that offer. I think Indiana has a better offer potentially. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NBASupes Posted July 11, 2023 Report Share Posted July 11, 2023 36 minutes ago, GameTime said: Man, Raps fans want AJ Griffin BADLY. Raps fans want rape deals. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member MarylandHawk Posted July 11, 2023 Premium Member Report Share Posted July 11, 2023 1 hour ago, theheroatl said: This feels like a Hawks-Knicks Murray last ditch smokescreen. As for the KAT fans, if ya'll got more smoke out there to show us lemme know cause I ain't seeing nothing except for this: So I'm confused ya'll tooting your horns about KAT He hasn’t spoken to his agent yet. Lol. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post TheNorthCydeRises Posted July 11, 2023 Popular Post Report Share Posted July 11, 2023 AJ Griffin CANNOT be the reason why we don't try to pull this trade off. If AJ has to be included, you do it in a heartbeat. Keep and sign Bey . . . and include AJ in the deal. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hawkish Posted July 11, 2023 Report Share Posted July 11, 2023 (edited) Since we are just having fun in anticipation: Trae : (Vet TBD) : Bufkin Murray : Bogi : Vit Green : Griffin Siakam : JJ : Gueye Okongwu : Bagley : Bruno The team is rather small, so that probably wouldn’t work. Just throwing ideas around for conversation; feel free to blast away… Green is smaller than Hunter and Bey, but he refills some of the lost 3-point shooting. After watching more of his game, I’m intrigued. Resigning him at a reasonable cost could be problematic. Edited July 11, 2023 by Hawkish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheNorthCydeRises Posted July 11, 2023 Report Share Posted July 11, 2023 Hunter + AJ + 1st + Capela ( dealt somewhere else ) If that's what will get Siakam, you pull the trigger and do it. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marco102 Posted July 11, 2023 Report Share Posted July 11, 2023 1 hour ago, MarylandHawk said: Alright let’s declare our allegiance now. Team KAT stand up. Team Siakim show yourselves. Lol. I am on the KAT train. Toot toot. Team KAT. I'm more about roster fit. KAT will not hurt our defensive ranking from last year and I think Quinn would get some improvement there. With the offense we will have we'd only have to be top 15 defensively to make a run. Just getting Siakim will cause roster construction problems which I can not over look. I prefer KAT. 1 hour ago, Wretch said: I'm 100% team KAT. Shoot first, ask questions (about defense) later This! 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member MarylandHawk Posted July 11, 2023 Premium Member Report Share Posted July 11, 2023 3 minutes ago, marco102 said: Team KAT. I'm more about roster fit. KAT will not hurt our defensive ranking from last year and I think Quinn would get some improvement there. With the offense we will have we'd only have to be top 15 defensively to make a run. Just getting Siakim will cause roster construction problems which I can not over look. I prefer KAT. This! I don’t disagree, but what about those 50 million buckaroos next year. Lol. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheNorthCydeRises Posted July 11, 2023 Report Share Posted July 11, 2023 Has the Bruno signing been made official yet? Even if they deal him off, I want that man to get paid. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terrell Posted July 11, 2023 Report Share Posted July 11, 2023 5 minutes ago, TheNorthCydeRises said: Hunter + AJ + 1st + Capela ( dealt somewhere else ) If that's what will get Siakam, you pull the trigger and do it. As long as its not Dallas.. Fk the Mavs.. lol 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
txsting Posted July 11, 2023 Report Share Posted July 11, 2023 4 minutes ago, TheNorthCydeRises said: Hunter + AJ + 1st + Capela ( dealt somewhere else ) If that's what will get Siakam, you pull the trigger and do it. Way too much. Siakam contract situation lowers the price. Hunter plus 1 other asset (AJ, 1st, Capela, JJ). Could add multiple second rounders, but that would be my final offer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member JeffS17 Posted July 11, 2023 Premium Member Report Share Posted July 11, 2023 10 minutes ago, thecampster said: Defensive possession stats go like this (in order worst scenario for defense to best). Worst - turnover leads to transition. long rebound leads to transition possession due to offensive rebound change of possession due to jump shot rebound change of possession due to layup rebound half court out of bounds Full court out of bounds off made layup best - full court out of bounds play off jump shot, 3 point shot, made free throw Good post. Not intending to get into a back and forth but I'm home and have more time to type . The two worst outcomes above were VERY FAVORABLE for us last year (3rd least turnovers, we took 3rd lowest 3PA as well) and our defense was still bottom 10. We just have so much room to improve on defense and in my opinion, it's largely personnel related. Whereas on offense, getting rid of JC and his broken shot is already a plus, adding Quin into the mix and his staff is another big plus, Bey starting over Hunter (in Siakam trade scenario) is a plus, and Siakam is a much better offensive talent than JC. OO starting will also be a plus to offense over CC. So our 7th rated offense is already primed to easily be top 5 imo. We need to improve on the defensive side!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marco102 Posted July 11, 2023 Report Share Posted July 11, 2023 5 minutes ago, MarylandHawk said: I don’t disagree, but what about those 50 million buckaroos next year. Lol. Not my money. The Cap is being smooth, but it's still going to go up more than it has before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member JayBirdHawk Posted July 11, 2023 Premium Member Report Share Posted July 11, 2023 9 minutes ago, TheNorthCydeRises said: Has the Bruno signing been made official yet? Even if they deal him off, I want that man to get paid. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member MarylandHawk Posted July 11, 2023 Premium Member Report Share Posted July 11, 2023 17 minutes ago, marco102 said: Not my money. The Cap is being smooth, but it's still going to go up more than it has before. I feel ya. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bleachkit Posted July 11, 2023 Report Share Posted July 11, 2023 A raptors blogger is claiming Deandre Hunter took down all his Hawks stuff on his IG, is this true? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post kg01 Posted July 11, 2023 Popular Post Report Share Posted July 11, 2023 2 minutes ago, bleachkit said: A raptors blogger is claiming Deandre Hunter took down all his Hawks stuff on his IG, is this true? The outsiders reported this around lunchtime, bro. 2 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bleachkit Posted July 11, 2023 Report Share Posted July 11, 2023 Just now, kg01 said: The outsiders reported this around lunchtime, bro. Oh ok, I didn't know Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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