NBASupes Posted August 9, 2020 Author Report Share Posted August 9, 2020 (edited) 3 minutes ago, bleachkit said: Luka appears to be more impactful in terms of winning, but it's still early in their careers. But Luka might actually be better than Harden, he's certainly a better passer and rebounder. He's more of a LeBron-lite (on offense). As someone who lives in Houston and goes to a lot of their games. He's not even close. Harden is a superior shooter, defender, scorer, slasher, and ball handler. But Luka has a better feel for the game, is a superior decision maker and is only 21. I think Doncic will surpass Harden in the future but it's not close right now, its Harden Edited August 9, 2020 by NBASupes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bleachkit Posted August 9, 2020 Report Share Posted August 9, 2020 2 minutes ago, NBASupes said: As someone who lives in Houston and goes to a lot of their games. He's not even close. Harden is a superior shooter, defender, scorer, slasher, and ball handler. But Luka has a better feel for the game, is a superior decision maker and is only 21. Maybe better is the wrong word, but I just prefer Luka's game overall. I'm big on passing, so that's probably the difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benhillboy Posted August 9, 2020 Report Share Posted August 9, 2020 1 hour ago, NBASupes said: As someone who lives in Houston and goes to a lot of their games. He's not even close. Harden is a superior shooter, defender, scorer, slasher, and ball handler. But Luka has a better feel for the game, is a superior decision maker and is only 21. I think Doncic will surpass Harden in the future but it's not close right now, its Harden It’s surprising you like Harden so much. Nothing wrong with that just sayin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NBASupes Posted August 9, 2020 Author Report Share Posted August 9, 2020 33 minutes ago, bleachkit said: Maybe better is the wrong word, but I just prefer Luka's game overall. I'm big on passing, so that's probably the difference. A lot of people like Luka game because it's more aesthetically pleasing but James is just much more difficult to guard and far more efficient. 4 minutes ago, benhillboy said: It’s surprising you like Harden so much. Nothing wrong with that just sayin. I don't like his game at all. It's not pleasing on the eyes but I am not delusional either. He's extremely effective Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spud2nique Posted August 9, 2020 Report Share Posted August 9, 2020 19 minutes ago, NBASupes said: delusional No not at all just hard to figure sometimes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kg01 Posted August 9, 2020 Report Share Posted August 9, 2020 (edited) 11 hours ago, marco102 said: And Obi Toppin will never be as good as John Collins, but that's a conversation for another day. Youre wrong there. Obi toppin will never be as good as derrick williams or thomas Robinson. He's the 2020 version of Greg Monroe, at best. Eta. All O, no D, can't help you win Edited August 9, 2020 by kg01 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators lethalweapon3 Posted August 9, 2020 Moderators Report Share Posted August 9, 2020 Stashing my longform gamethread thoughts re: Luka vs. Trae+, here for future reference. ~lw3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NBASupes Posted August 9, 2020 Author Report Share Posted August 9, 2020 5 hours ago, kg01 said: Youre wrong there. Obi toppin will never be as good as derrick williams or thomas Robinson. He's the 2020 version of Greg Monroe, at best. Eta. All O, no D, can't help you win Shit posting times 100 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kg01 Posted August 9, 2020 Report Share Posted August 9, 2020 56 minutes ago, NBASupes said: Shit posting times 100 Call it what you want but you can't call it wrong. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators macdaddy Posted August 10, 2020 Moderators Report Share Posted August 10, 2020 My issues are the constant 'the Hawks must really regret trading Luka' sentiments. No we don't because we're doing just fine. Take that shiz to Sactown why don't you. Also, i don't necessarily disagree that Luka is better but the stats don't back up that there is some huge difference between the two. The only reason people think Luka is so much better is his size and he's on a winning team. Time will tell. Last thing on Luka, size is a great gift in the nba but you can't take it for granted. You have to stay in extremely good shape as you get older or it will slow you down. Meanwhile Jamal Crawford is playing at 40. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Popular Post AHF Posted August 10, 2020 Moderators Popular Post Report Share Posted August 10, 2020 1 hour ago, macdaddy said: My issues are the constant 'the Hawks must really regret trading Luka' sentiments. No we don't because we're doing just fine. Take that shiz to Sactown why don't you. Also, i don't necessarily disagree that Luka is better but the stats don't back up that there is some huge difference between the two. The only reason people think Luka is so much better is his size and he's on a winning team. Time will tell. Last thing on Luka, size is a great gift in the nba but you can't take it for granted. You have to stay in extremely good shape as you get older or it will slow you down. Meanwhile Jamal Crawford is playing at 40. This is very close to my view on the situation. Both Atlanta and Dallas should be cheering their draft results from 2018. The one thing I would say is that the stats back up that there is a sizable difference between Luka and Trae career to date. Here a few examples: Luka / Trae 13.7 WS / 9.1 WS (50.5% higher) 0.152 WS/48 / 0.095 WS/48 (60% higher) 23.3 PER / 20.2 PER (15.3% higher) 6.0 BPM / 1.5 BPM (400% higher) 8.7 VORP / 4.0 VORP (217.5% higher) That is their career to date. Both are fantastic for young players who aren't even old enough to have a beer in the US. But there is a real gap to date. What the future holds is an open issue and I think they could flip at some point depending on how they develop, stay in shape, etc. As you say, time will tell. But both teams should be celebrating their good fortune to land these guys. 4 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NBASupes Posted August 10, 2020 Author Report Share Posted August 10, 2020 16 hours ago, kg01 said: Call it what you want but you can't call it wrong. Wrong as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benhillboy Posted August 10, 2020 Report Share Posted August 10, 2020 On 8/9/2020 at 11:34 AM, NBASupes said: A lot of people like Luka game because it's more aesthetically pleasing but James is just much more difficult to guard and far more efficient. I don't like his game at all. It's not pleasing on the eyes but I am not delusional either. He's extremely effective Oh I got you. Yeah he’s effective in wins. I think his style of play is the backbone to most all their losses though when their surrounding players have always filled their streamlined roles for the most part. That first point I’d have to argue. Everyone knows Harden is the FT and 3 attempt king, for 19-20 he has a meager +.007 advantage in eFG over The Don. Luka’s advantage in assist to turn is considerably larger; 2.06:1 to 1.66:1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benhillboy Posted August 10, 2020 Report Share Posted August 10, 2020 (edited) 53 minutes ago, AHF said: This is very close to my view on the situation. Both Atlanta and Dallas should be cheering their draft results from 2018. The one thing I would say is that the stats back up that there is a sizable difference between Luka and Trae career to date. Here a few examples: Luka / Trae 13.7 WS / 9.1 WS (50.5% higher) 0.152 WS/48 / 0.095 WS/48 (60% higher) 23.3 PER / 20.2 PER (15.3% higher) 6.0 BPM / 1.5 BPM (400% higher) 8.7 VORP / 4.0 VORP (217.5% higher) That is their career to date. Both are fantastic for young players who aren't even old enough to have a beer in the US. But there is a real gap to date. What the future holds is an open issue and I think they could flip at some point depending on how they develop, stay in shape, etc. As you say, time will tell. But both teams should be celebrating their good fortune to land these guys. You know I’m one to rarely go against The Ref. These are exactly the numbers I see, most notably the win shares and box due to Luka’s size at least being a good defensive deterrent and Larry Bird type rebounding. That’s not a gap it’s a gulf lol. It’s highly impressive he’s still maintaining MVP-level play without an outstanding PNR lob threat in Powell. Edited August 10, 2020 by benhillboy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kg01 Posted August 10, 2020 Report Share Posted August 10, 2020 Interesting. So the Mavs faced the Jazz today without Porzingo and Luqua. Surely that trash bunch, you know these turds that Luqua is carrying with one hand behind his back, got blown outta the bubble right, Shirley ? Shirley? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spud2nique Posted August 11, 2020 Report Share Posted August 11, 2020 45 minutes ago, kg01 said: turds ? 47 minutes ago, kg01 said: Interesting. So the Mavs faced the Jazz today without Porzingo and Luqua. Surely that trash bunch, you know these turds that Luqua is carrying with one hand behind his back, got blown outta the bubble right, Shirley ? Shirley? Nobody played today bro. It’s ditch day doh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators lethalweapon3 Posted August 13, 2020 Moderators Report Share Posted August 13, 2020 ~lw3 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NBASupes Posted August 18, 2020 Author Report Share Posted August 18, 2020 Lol 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spud2nique Posted August 18, 2020 Report Share Posted August 18, 2020 LUKA DOWNNNNN YESSSSS. Lotta turnovers and boring predictable ball from him. It’s effective or whatever but he bores me to death with the same stuff. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marco102 Posted August 18, 2020 Report Share Posted August 18, 2020 1 hour ago, Spud2nique said: LUKA DOWNNNNN YESSSSS. Lotta turnovers and boring predictable ball from him. It’s effective or whatever but he bores me to death with the same stuff. Is this sarcasm? 1 hour ago, NBASupes said: Lol elaborate? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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