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[NBASupes]

Just now, JayBirdHawk said:

Maybe Minny can trade Embiid to GSW for #2, Wiggins  and get their 2021 1st rounder back plus additional assets.

They would want a lot more for Embiid. I am thinking personally JJJ/Big Val from Memphis. Memphis signs Gallo in FA. Gives them a legit contending squad around Morant and Embiid is still very young not into his prime yet. 

[bleachkit]

Doc fired in Los Angeles.

[Dean Walker]

24 minutes ago, bleachkit said:

Doc fired in Los Angeles.

Wow

[thecampster]

Rumblings are that if Minnesota passes on Ball at 1, expect the Knicks to trade up for Ball, GS to trade down for Hayes or a project big.

Edwards is no lock at 1 either.

Wiseman is falling right now and may go as low as 8.

Okoro is starting to get more serious attention.

[thecampster]

14 hours ago, Dean Walker said:

Wow

14 hours ago, bleachkit said:

Doc fired in Los Angeles.

Already talk he's headed to N.O.

[macdaddy]

5 minutes ago, thecampster said:

Already talk he's headed to N.O.

when's the last time Doc coached a team that young?  maybe never.  

[NBASupes]

1 hour ago, thecampster said:

Rumblings are that if Minnesota passes on Ball at 1, expect the Knicks to trade up for Ball, GS to trade down for Hayes or a project big.

Edwards is no lock at 1 either.

Wiseman is falling right now and may go as low as 8.

Okoro is starting to get more serious attention.

Those rumblings are on deaf ears. It seems MIN is drafting Ball regardless because his trade value is by far the highest. This might be the Wiggins pick of this draft where Ball might be a Wolves on paper but might start the season elsewhere. 

Edwards isn't going in the top 2. GS is a major lean for Deni. They really have decided that's their guy. I found out today that they are trying to do a deal where they trade MIN 1st 2021, Wiggins for Turner and Oladipo. They really want Turner a lot more than they want Warren or Oladipo. It seems like they will probably meet half way where it's Turner and neither one of these guys but it's likely they will take Deni. They like him a lot and sold on his fit with the squad. Edwards is the guy teams are over the place on. I am hearing his sweet spot is 5. No one knows what Charlotte will do at #3. 

Chicago has been said to be a PG lean if Deni is not available. Hayes and Haliburton are their top guys. He mentioned there is some interest in Maxey. 

Cleveland is a major Okoro lean. There is also thought this is where Edwards could fall at the lowest. 

Atlanta is said to be the most gettable piece but very costly. He was told that it's too expensive for this draft. That's been said a lot. Everyone wants where they want to go to be cheap but the other team to be expensive. He said Atlanta is an Okoro lean

DET has been said to be a PG lean. 

NY has been a BPA for Thibs system. Okongwu is the guy most projected here. If NY moves up, it's expected that Okoro is the target. 

WAS has been a center lean. This is Wiseman's draft floor. 

PHX has been stated to be a Jalen Smith lean. 

 

Other news: 

Atlanta is planning on targeting Jae Crowder, KCP, Goran Dragic and their own FA's in Jeff Teague and Skal. Obviously Atlanta has previously mention interest in both Joe Harris and Davis Bertrans who appear as less likely targets. Atlanta wants to add a couple key vets with winning experience. Especially championship or NBA Finals experience. They are targeting similar players for trade if the price is right. 

Charlotte and Cleveland are considering spending in FA as well as trades. They are open to deals that help them win games. Cleveland even wants to add an MLE player. Every team has been said to trying to win in 2020-21 and not tank. 

 

 

 

[kg01]

32 minutes ago, macdaddy said:

when's the last time Doc coached a team that young?  maybe never.  

ORL and BOS.  The results?  He "coached" both to their franchise longest losing streaks, which is saying something especially in Boston where they've played basketball for 143 years.

[NBASupes]

2 minutes ago, kg01 said:

ORL and BOS.  The results?  He "coached" both to their franchise longest losing streaks, which is saying something especially in Boston where they've played basketball for 143 years.

He won coach of the year with both teams. He literally took T-Mac and scrubs to the playoffs and won a title with Boston. Don't be a hater. 

[kg01]

1 minute ago, NBASupes said:

He won coach of the year with both teams. He literally took T-Mac and scrubs to the playoffs and won a title with Boston. Don't be a hater. 

Nothing I said was untrue.  My opinion is he's a bad coach with a stellar reputation.  If not for the Garnett trade, he would've been fired in Boston and this myth of him as a coach would've ended there.

[Dean Walker]

2 hours ago, thecampster said:

Rumblings are that if Minnesota passes on Ball at 1, expect the Knicks to trade up for Ball, GS to trade down for Hayes or a project big.

Edwards is no lock at 1 either.

Wiseman is falling right now and may go as low as 8.

Okoro is starting to get more serious attention.

Interesting so the Knicks want ball??

[NBASupes]

Just now, kg01 said:

Nothing I said was untrue.  My opinion is he's a bad coach with a stellar reputation.  If not for the Garnett trade, he would've been fired in Boston and this myth of him as a coach would've ended there.

I disagree. He's a very good coach. He's just rigid. We seen very good rigid coaches before in Atlanta. 

[Dean Walker]

1 minute ago, NBASupes said:

I disagree. He's a very good coach. He's just rigid. We seen very good rigid coaches before in Atlanta. 

As a leader he is the best there is, but as an in game coach(x’s&o’s etc) he is supremely overrated.

[kg01]

10 minutes ago, NBASupes said:

I disagree. He's a very good coach. He's just rigid. We seen very good rigid coaches before in Atlanta. 

If a guy's rigidity leads to failure, why should he still be considered a good coach?

I just heard a guy ask the question.  "Which LA coach has won more playoff series?  Vogel for the Lakers or Doc for the Clippers?"

Answer: Right now they're tied.  Yes, that's Lebron but how many years was Doc doing it with lob city?  It shouldn't be close enough for one playoff run to eclipse everything he's done there.

Time to start giving some new blood chances as coaches, man.  You're telling me Silas doesn't deserve a chance?  Even Cassell.  I can't stand retreads.

5 minutes ago, Dean Walker said:

As a leader he is the best there is, but as an in game coach(x’s&o’s etc) he is supremely overrated.

Is he?  Because all of his teams implode due to personality issues.

[High5]

I'm not going to say Doc is a bad coach, but he's definitely overrated. Anyone could have won a championship with those Celtics. Most probably wouldn't have needed 26 games to do it. 

[macdaddy]

2 minutes ago, kg01 said:

Time to start giving some new blood chances as coaches, man.  You're telling me Silas doesn't deserve a chance?  Even Cassell.  I can't stand retreads.

hell yes.  We have a whole thread on 'bud isn't a good coach'.  He's taken 6/7 mostly average teams to the playoffs and 2 ECFs.   Doc has one championship and i think 1 conference finals in 20 years and those were with 3 HOFs.  D'antoni's record is much worse.   Not sure why these guys are so coveted.  

[JayBirdHawk]

3 minutes ago, macdaddy said:

hell yes.  We have a whole thread on 'bud isn't a good coach'.  He's taken 6/7 mostly average teams to the playoffs and 2 ECFs.   Doc has one championship and i think 1 conference finals in 20 years and those were with 3 HOFs.  D'antoni's record is much worse.   Not sure why these guys are so coveted.  

Because they are the shiny hood ornament on the other side of the tracks.

7 minutes ago, High5 said:

I'm not going to say Doc is a bad coach, but he's definitely overrated. Anyone could have won a championship with those Celtics. Most probably wouldn't have needed 26 games to do it. 

This more than anything.

[bleachkit]

It's difficult to rank coaches. Pop is honesty the only one who has consistently overachieved over their career.

[NBASupes]

34 minutes ago, macdaddy said:

hell yes.  We have a whole thread on 'bud isn't a good coach'.  He's taken 6/7 mostly average teams to the playoffs and 2 ECFs.   Doc has one championship and i think 1 conference finals in 20 years and those were with 3 HOFs.  D'antoni's record is much worse.   Not sure why these guys are so coveted.  

Bud is a very good coach but this talk of him being elite has always been a massive lie. 

[macdaddy]

43 minutes ago, NBASupes said:

Bud is a very good coach but this talk of him being elite has always been a massive lie. 

I'm only arguing that he's already being accused of not being any good yet these guys, especially d'antoni, have been floating around for 2 decades with little to show for it and everytime they wear out their welcome some fans scream for them like they are special.