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[Thomas]

Guess that is why trusting sportswriters requires so much salt. More than one source had said the Hawk's talks for Drummond were done and the Hawks had moved on. Personally I would be very ok with those Drummond trade talks being over and with no deal. 

[kg01]

15 minutes ago, Thomas said:

Guess that is why trusting sportswriters requires so much salt. More than one source had said the Hawk's talks for Drummond were done and the Hawks had moved on. Personally I would be very ok with those Drummond trade talks being over and with no deal. 

What, you have a problem paying a guy $30mil per year even though he probably can't finish close games on the court?

[Thomas]

3 minutes ago, kg01 said:

What, you have a problem paying a guy $30mil per year even though he probably can't finish close games on the court?

You see right through me. Thats really weird man.

[JTB]

Ok it’s the weekend! Update please sir! @NBASupes  

[JayBirdHawk]

19 hours ago, JayBirdHawk said:

Still here! 

[High5]

1 hour ago, kg01 said:

A brief break for comedy ....

.. this is from HOU's board http://bbs.clutchfans.net/index.php?threads/shams-hawks-interested-in-capela.303506/page-10

("clutch" fans? really?)

So, to recap, Collins is a backup, he's a "knucklehead", probably gonna get banned for life.

And, if that's not enough, guy wants to trade Hunter, Reddish (yes, that's and not or), plus a 1st ... for Clint freaking Capela?

Do we sound like this to opposing fans?

He said he would be generous enough to add a 1st, not ask for one of ours. Schlenk should have had that deal done yesterday!

[kg01]

6 minutes ago, High5 said:

He said he would be generous enough to add a 1st, not ask for one of ours. Schlenk should have had that deal done yesterday!

Hunter and Reddish for Capela and a 1st?

Are you serious?

[High5]

58 minutes ago, kg01 said:

Hunter and Reddish for Capela and a 1st?

Are you serious?

Obviously not. (or so I thought)

[thecampster]

I am very much looking forward to summer league this year. Here's to hoping Humter works on his handles and rotation awareness. Summer league this year should feature Goodwin, redfish, hunter, fernando, 2 firsts.

[JayBirdHawk]

9 minutes ago, thecampster said:

I am very much looking forward to summer league this year. Here's to hoping Humter works on his handles and rotation awareness. Summer league this year should feature Goodwin, redfish, hunter, fernando, 2 firsts.

I hope the NBA fix the whole 'draft trade thing.' Hunter missed SL since the trade couldn't be concluded until later.

[kg01]

10 minutes ago, High5 said:

Obviously not. (or so I thought)

Ok, I see it now.  My bad.

I was streaking up the court.   You hit me with a perfect no-look and I let it hit my hands, bounce off the rim, off my face and outta bounds.

[JayBirdHawk]

 

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The Hawks have several expiring contracts, several young players and all of their draft capital, which could make Atlanta one of the most intriguing teams to watch as the Feb. 6 trade deadline approaches.

What we know about Schlenk is he’s not going to make any move just to say he made a trade to satisfy a fan base that wants an improved roster as soon as possible. He could have done that last year at the deadline when Prince, Dewayne Dedmon and Jeremy Lin were available. None of those players ultimately was traded before the deadline. 

Atlanta is 5-5 in its past 10 games and has been playing much better lately, but the team is still expected to remain patient at the deadline and not make a panicked trade to get out of the Eastern Conference cellar, something that was discussed a few weeks ago when Andre Drummond was mentioned as a possible target.

The untouchables

Trae Young ($6.3 million):

Young is the first Hawks player to be voted in as an All-Star starter since Dikembe Mutombo in 1998. The Hawks went more than two decades without having an All-Star starter voted in. Young is a star, and the Hawks are going to build around him for the years to come. 

Own first-round pick:

It’s possible the Hawks could end up trading their own first-round draft pick this summer, but they would not include that selection in a deal at the deadline without knowing where that pick will be before the lottery occurs in May.

Also untouchable, but not for talent reasons:

Vince Carter ($1.6 million)

No, the Hawks would not trade Carter to any team unless the 43-year-old requested a move. Carter doesn’t have much on-court value anymore anyway and wouldn’t make sense for any team to acquire.

 

Could move if a superstar would be in return

Kevin Huerter ($2.6 million)

The main questions that need to be answered during the rest of the season are what, exactly, Huerter’s value is and where he fits in best with this team. Is he actually the starting shooting guard of the future, or does he project as the team’s sixth man? Out of the current six core members, Huerter would be the most likely to be dealt if a move for a star needed to be made.

De’Andre Hunter ($7.1 million)

Hunter is a better shooter than he has shown so far in his career. His defense has been fine, but Reddish has been better on that end of the floor. It’s early, but it looks like the Hawks gave up too much capital to move up to No. 4 to draft him, but they have to be committed and give him time to show what he can be. Like Reddish, he does have the potential to be a legit two-way player.

Cam Reddish ($4.3 million)

What a turnaround it was for Reddish in January. He ended up shooting 40 percent from 3 and looked much more confident on offense. He looked like a totally different player on offense from what he was in his first three months in the NBA. His game is clearly maturing, which is massive for the Hawks and their outlook.

Reddish is already a good defensive player, and if he’s the kind of player on offense he showed during January, the Hawks have the makings of a legitimate two-way threat, which is exactly what they need.

John Collins ($2.7 million)

Collins has elevated his game on defense, which, as with Reddish, is massively important for the Hawks. Collins is playing out of position as a center, in my opinion. He’s fine playing there against smaller lineups, but he shouldn’t be there nightly. His defense is clearly better than it was last season. His 3-point shooting has taken a dip from last season, but he’s still enough of a threat to be a spacing big man. Collins is still a 20-10 machine, and now that he’s legitimately good on defense, he has to be listed as the second-most-important player for the Hawks.

 

The expiring contracts that could help facilitate a trade for a marquee player

Evan Turner ($18.6 million)

Jeff Teague ($19 million)

Teague has played almost half his minutes alongside Young, and it hasn’t been a role he has looked all that comfortable in. He told The Athletic in Toronto earlier this week that part of the reason he has struggled so far is the adjustment to his new role. “I’m a point guard. I’m comfortable with the ball in my hands,” Teague said. “I don’t have a problem playing off the ball. It’s difficult, but it’s different.

 

Maybe these players have a future with the Hawks

Alex Len ($4.2 million)

After being moved to the bench, Len has played well on both ends of the floor and certainly has the most value out of all the expiring contracts. If Len is not traded, the Hawks could decide to bring him back this summer. 

DeAndre’ Bembry ($2.6 million)

Bembry doesn’t perfectly fit with how the Hawks want to play — he’s a wing who can’t shoot — but he theoretically has value because of his effort on defense.

The Hawks likely will let Bembry test free agency this summer if he’s not traded.

Jabari Parker ($6.5 million) 

Those few weeks when it looked like a lock that Parker would opt out of his player option this summer because of his level of offense seem like they happened in a different season. Parker has missed 16 of the past 17 games with a shoulder injury.....When healthy, Parker could give a playoff team more scoring off the bench and a player who is efficient in pushing the pace and getting to the rim with efficiency. 

Brooklyn’s lottery-protected first-round pick

The Hawks are not opposed to moving this pick, especially if it can bring back a high-level player who can help for the rest of this season and beyond. 

 

Salary filler

Treveon Graham ($1.6 million)

Damian Jones ($2.3 million)

Bruno Fernando ($1.4 million)

Fernando doesn’t necessarily fit in any of these tiers. He’s kind of in a category on his own, but because of his salary, he would have to be included in the salary-filler tier. He doesn’t fit under the core six players just yet, but his value has certainly grown the past few weeks. The first couple of months of the season it was clear that he was nowhere near making any sort of meaningful impact, but he was better in January.

 

Would trade for bags of balls totaling $25 million, if they could

Chandler Parsons ($25.1 million)

 

[bleachkit]

3 hours ago, kg01 said:

A brief break for comedy ....

.. this is from HOU's board http://bbs.clutchfans.net/index.php?threads/shams-hawks-interested-in-capela.303506/page-10

("clutch" fans? really?)

So, to recap, Collins is a backup, he's a "knucklehead", probably gonna get banned for life.

And, if that's not enough, guy wants to trade Hunter, Reddish (yes, that's and not or), plus a 1st ... for Clint freaking Capela?

Do we sound like this to opposing fans?

Yes we do sound as dumb as this at times, not all posters but some. I can pull up many posts from here that are patently absurd, that would be roundly rejected by basically any objective NBA fan, that were accepted as reasonable on this board. I can list a few for you if you want to hear them. Homerism is a disease, a disease of the mind. 

Edited February 1, 2020 by bleachkit

[JayBirdHawk]

Follow up Re: John Collins -

 

[NBASupes]

I will post it soon. Probably 11:30AM CST. I still got a personal section to add. But I got all of the details last night, confirmed some sections this morning so I can post it right now. No names are left off. All deals on the table. 

Also, Chris value list is wrong. 

They consider Trae, Hunter, and Reddish to be untouchables. Trae for the obvious. Reddish, they think he will be a superstar and they need him around Trae. They see Hunter as a future role playing superstar like a Horford and they want him around Trae and Reddish.

They also consider Kevin to be a core piece. He's not available unless you massively overpay.

They consider Collins to be a core piece and a building block unless he can net them another building block.

Jeff is still someone they want to keep. The fact that the offense without Trae has been more competent of late is a testament to Teague. He hasn't played well all year so I don't know if Atlanta sees a big future in him but there has been interest in resigning him nonetheless. 

[kg01]

39 minutes ago, bleachkit said:

Yes we do sound as dumb as this at times, not all posters but some. I can pull up many posts from here that are patently absurd, that would be roundly rejected by basically any objective NBA fan, that were accepted as reasonable on this board. I can list a few for you if you want to hear them. Homerism is a disease, a disease of the mind. 

That's not true, that's just your weird narrative against us.

You seriously think we're this unaware:

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Collins can't defend at all and outside of catching lobs and competing on the glass is actually very limited. Roxs would be crazy to give up Capela for him.

Rockets fans have a rep for being extreme homers.

[NBASupes]

My dad called about family items regarding international stuff. Sorry, give me about 20-30 more mins. 

Edited February 1, 2020 by NBASupes

[capstone21]

14 minutes ago, NBASupes said:

My dad called about family items regarding international stuff. Sorry, give me about 20-30 more mins. 

[bleachkit]

21 minutes ago, NBASupes said:

My dad called about family items regarding international stuff. Sorry, give me about 20-30 more mins. 

Call him back. We need it now.

[NBASupes]

Major Updates:

Last one till the trade deadline: 

The deals that everyone wants to know about.

Hawks

Steven Adams

Steven Adams and Gallo to Atlanta for BRK 1^st, Parsons, and Jones.

The Gallo part has seemed to cool off as has the BRK 1^st part.

It seems to be OKC 1^st and Adams for Parsons is the framework.

OKC would like Bruno in this deal. Atlanta seems lukewarm at best on this request.

This is will be a final day bonanza to me.  80-85% chance of happening.

 

Davis Bertrans

Dead. They want Brooklyn’s 1^st for Bertrans. No Parker/two 2nds. I was told they were holding out for a 1^st but not one this high. Derrick Rose isn’t the only one overpriced. 0% chance of happening

 

Marvin Williams

Hawks offered a protected future 2^nd rounder for Marvin Williams for Evan Turner who will request a buyout and go to Portland from what he’s heard.

Hawks want another shooting 4. 90% chance of happening

 

Nic Batum

Hawks are willing to take a protected 1^st for Nic Batum. Hornets decline and would be open to trading Batum and future 2^nd rounders. All teams have reneged. 0% chance of happening

 

Jakob Poeltl

Hawks have been watching Poeltl and thinks he would fit what they want to do long term. They have offered OKC 1^st for him. SA has not been interested and wants Brooklyn’s 1^st. Atlanta has reneged. 0% chance of happening

 

Hassan Whiteside

Atlanta has been in talks with Portland about Whiteside. They are willing to trade a protected future 2^nd for Whiteside and Parsons. Portland wants a quality 2^nd which Atlanta doesn’t have. Right now, talks have stalled. Portland is in heavy talks with Cleveland for Kevin Love. The issue is the price. Portland is willing to offer two 2^nd but no 1sts whatsoever. Cleveland been headstrong on getting a 1^st back which won’t happen. I think this deal like Steven Adams will go down to the end. Portland like Atlanta isn’t budging but will CLE or OKC? 5% chance of happening

 

Reggie Bullock

Atlanta has reached out to NYK about a Trevon Graham and a future 2^nd rounder for Reggie Bullock. Knicks have been lukewarm. There is a chance: 35% chance of happening

Jordan McRae

We have interest and have made an offer for McRae for a future 2^nd rounder similar offer to Bullock. Wizards been more open than NYK but not greatly.  50% chance of happening

 

 

Thad Young

Hawks offered Evan Turner’s expiring for Thad Young. Bulls don’t want to trade Young for cap room at this time but there might be interest in the off-season for this type of trade. 25% chance of happening

 

 

DeWayne Dedmon

Hawks offered two future 2nds for Dedmon and were declined and SAC wanted to trade two 2^nd for our Brooklyn 1^st. Atlanta declined. 1% chance of happening

 

Andre Drummond

Failed to agree to a reasonable cost-controlled contract. DET still wants similar value even for a rental. LOL! 0% chance of happening

 

Nicola Vucevic

Hawks called about Vooch but it didn’t get far. Orlando wants to improve their squad, and they are building around Issac and Vooch. 0% chance of happening

 

Al Horford

There is still a four-team deal going on where Horford would be coming to Atlanta on the table, but he is hearing it’s further from happening close we get to the trade deadline. 35% chance of happening

Mo Bamba

Orlando wasn’t interested in moving Bamba for what we had available. They have interest but not in anything Atlanta was open to trading. 0% chance of happening

Clint Capela

Atlanta checked in and are open to moving the Brooklyn pick for Capela. Was told Atlanta had no interest as Houston wanted John Collins. A mistake that’s going on out there is Atlanta wants a center for Collins when they don’t. They want to pair Collins with a center. Now they also want a center they REALLY covet for him. That’s guys like JJJ, Ayton, or proven stars like Embiid or KAT.  Because you got some teams, i.e. Minny saying Collins is available for a center, they need to be honest about the center being KAT. 5% chance of happening

Trades for our players:

Alex Len Market

I was told his market has died. It wasn’t ever going to be worthwhile for Atlanta anyway. Memphis, Philly, and Orlando have interest but nothing major.

DeAndre Bembry Market

Dead as a main piece, has interest as a throw-in.

Kevin Huerter Market

He’s too expensive of those teams who asked.

Trae Young/De’Andre Hunter/Cam Reddish Market:

Not available

Damian Jones Market

Dead as a main piece, has interest as a throw-in.

 

Players with Trade Value:

Jabari Parker:

Utah Jazz have a lot of interest in Parker. Willing to trade two 2nds and Ed Davis for Parker.

Dallas had interest but Atlanta wanted GSW 2^nd.

Kings have had interest in Parker, but it’s seemed to have dwindled in time. 

Parker has the highest chance of being moved of all players: 95% chance of happening

 

John Collins market value

John is a guy most teams called about and was quickly told NO, but some teams weren’t.

Of those teams:

Indiana – Atlanta has been trying to work out a deal for Myles Turner. Atlanta wants the centerpiece to be Brooklyn’s 1^st and Bruno. They are really focused on placing Collins next to Turner. From what I was told, Indy was lukewarm to the idea but wanted John Collins to pair with Sabonis. I was told Atlanta been lukewarm to the idea. 20-25% chance of happening. They weren’t told no and both teams are optimistic that the other team will eventually see the light.

Memphis – Memphis contacted Atlanta about Collins. Obviously, Atlanta was interested as Jaren Jackson Jr. is still someone they highly covet even if Supes doesn’t. I was told that talks are ongoing and likely won’t conclude to the offseason. The fear in Memphis is that JJJ is more of a 4 and they want a real 4 who excel at the PnR with Morant. That said, JJJ has ample potential and it will cost a lot to move him from MEM. Likely our Brooklyn 1^st and Collins. This one is ongoing. 50% chance of happening.

Minnesota – This one ended as soon as it begins. Atlanta was interested when they asked about Collins. Atlanta wanted KAT. Minny wanted to add John to KAT. Atlanta quickly became uninterested. 0% chance of happening.

Philadelphia – Philly has major interest in Collins. Atlanta has major interest in Embiid. This one has potential even if Philly wanted to see if Harris or Horford would interest Atlanta which it didn’t. 25% chance of happening.

Phoenix – PHX needs a 4 and has two quality centers. Atlanta really covets Ayton. So does PHX. This one ended as quickly as MIN. 0% chance of happening.

This is it for Collins. Don’t have too much expectations on this one. The highest is 50% and that one will likely not pick up till the draft.

 

Atlanta has been looking to add shooting off the bench, but the cost is very high across the league right now. It’s a seller market right now if the cost is reasonable.

 

Around the NBA:

Boston: They have been open to major moves that would make them better, but no such offer exists to them. Summer is what they are waiting for.

Brooklyn: Looking into the summer for making moves. Not interested in the current market prices.

Charlotte: They are open to taking assets for expiring’s.

Chicago: They are open to moves but they want a clear improvement move which currently isn’t available.

Cleveland: Open for business and is willing to take an asset for an expiring player of your choice. Issue is, no one wants to give them an asset for what they currently have on the market outside of Love who they want too much for. Clarkson already gone.

Detroit: A lot of teams hate this mfers. They want way too much for their players. Like I said, I do not believe they want to rebuild at all. They just want to retool. Get a young PG like Ball, Anthony, or Hayes and continue the process.

Indy: Looking for some minor gem moves but it’s not available during this period. Belief is Troy Daniels will be available from LA for trade and Indy is an interested team. Chances are, LA moves Daniels with another larger deal if they choose to.

Miami: Waiting for the summer when the trade market is better.

Bucks: Want one more rotation guy but the market is too expensive.

Knicks: Open for business but wants MAJOR assets in return. Teams are put off at this time.

Magic: They are in talks of a major four team deal where DeRozan could be going to Orlando. It seems far from happening at this point.

Philly: Been active trying to make moves but are having the same issue as many teams are where the market price is very high. I expect a move or two of higher quality than Dallas recent moves just since they have the 2^nd round assets.

Toronto: Been looking into adding DeRozan back into the fray. They are looking for a reasonable price as they really want a shot a 2021 (Giannis). SA been lukewarm on the offers so far, but we will see. Toronto has a lot of player capital.

Washington: Bertrans is still available for a lottery level 1^st which means he’s no longer available. McRae has suitors, including the Hawks. Washington reports are real, they have prioritize bringing him back and he has interest in returning.

Dallas: There is talk about Dallas for Iggy, but he been hearing it’s not a lock. He mentions that he heard Dallas is done with major moves. They do want a shot a minor move with Michael Kidd-Gilchrest.

Denver: They will try to hold on to their guys. They do not mind overpaying either.

GS: Nothing for now. They are interested in moving D’Lo and their pick for a star. The issue there having is the teams with D’Lo interest want to add him to their setup, not move him for that player. They will have options. Alec Burks is available for cheap.

Houston: The lack of assets is killing them. They are on the market for another cheap wing. 

LAL: Talks been dying down with them since Kobe’s death. Maybe we get more next week.

LAC: Wants Iggy for Harkless and two 2^nd. No interest from MEM. They are looking at MKG from Charlotte right now for Harkless.

Memphis: There not looking to move up or down. They have interest in John Collins. JJJ has a lot of interest from the Hawks brass. I can’t imagine a trade being done right now but there is some doubt JJJ is the perfect fit for Morant and there is interest in getting another high end 1^st rounder to build around Morant as Morant is the franchise.

Minny: They are shopping Covington, but his price is legit high but deserved unlike Rose. He’s likely not getting traded till the off-season. He mentioned that they want him to be the big piece with picks for D’Angelo Russell for GS.

NO: They will likely be active in the summer but for now, things have died with Zion back.

OKC: With Adams-ATL, Gallo market, and Moose being someone they would like a small asset for, it seems like OKC is a lock to make a major move. I was told Gallo is extremely likely(95%), that the rest is still up in the air. They would like to move Adams now as they know Atlanta has big plans and the interest in Adams is very limited when it comes to receiving value. Most teams want him for free but OKC does value Adams a lot. It will be interested to see how they move forward.

PHX could be open to trading Baynes if they can get a 1^st. Crazy but they might just get it from LAC. Because teams want a quality center for a reasonable price with BR. Other than that, nothing for now.

Portland: Other than Whiteside/Love which was mentioned above… Nothing really.

SAC: SAC is looking at obvious improvement moves only right now. Those simply aren’t available currently.

SA: DeRozan is available if the price is right. Everyone is available, just not for a reasonable price. The price for DD is more reasonable than for any of their young players.

Utah: They are targeting Parker right now. They would like a cheap backup center who’s productive. The market just isn’t there at this moment. Texas Hold Em’ right now across the league.

 

 

Supes Take: From what I got; I expect Parker to be traded. I expect Atlanta to potentially add Marvin Williams and decision time for Steven Adams.

Deals that are extremely or highly likely:

Evan Turner and 2^nd rounder for Marvin Williams

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=tckgzye

Jabari Parker for Ed Davis and two future 2^nd rounders. Ed Davis will likely be flipped in another deal.

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=s74hjzh

Parsons, OKC 1^st for Steven Adams

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yyf4qnc8

 

Potential Deals: Not likely or unlikely

Jordan McRae

2^nd rounder and Graham for McRae

John Collins for JJJ

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=uc42gwe

The rest are unlikely.