2023-24 Insider Information Thread

[Peoriabird]

4 minutes ago, JayBirdHawk said:

$70 Million Dollars.....good lawt!!!

Jaylen Brown expected to sign biggest contract in NBA history worth up to $304 million, $70 million on final year alone

 

Adrian Wojnarowski on Jaylen Brown extension talks: It’s going to take more time. Brown and his agent have been talking with Brad Stevens, with Boston. Brown is leaving the country on Players’ Association business. They’re expected to re-engage again when he gets back. This is a deal that would be the richest contract in NBA history, it could be worth up to $304 million. In the final year of that deal, Brown will be making $70 million. When you’re negotiating contracts, it isn’t just ‘Hey, are we gonna give him the full amount, the max number?’ There are trade kickers that could be in the deal, player option years in a deal, payment schedule – there are a number of other things that go beyond the super-max Jaylen Brown is eligible for. These sides will continue to talk and they have a lot of runway this summer to get to a deal.

 

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His worth is nowhere near that kind of money

[hylndr11]

He's gonna be the next Matt Ryan with that contract and that's not a knock on Matt or jaylen 

[HawksNWaffles]

38 minutes ago, JayBirdHawk said:

$70 Million Dollars.....good lawt!!!

Jaylen Brown expected to sign biggest contract in NBA history worth up to $304 million, $70 million on final year alone

 

Adrian Wojnarowski on Jaylen Brown extension talks: It’s going to take more time. Brown and his agent have been talking with Brad Stevens, with Boston. Brown is leaving the country on Players’ Association business. They’re expected to re-engage again when he gets back. This is a deal that would be the richest contract in NBA history, it could be worth up to $304 million. In the final year of that deal, Brown will be making $70 million. When you’re negotiating contracts, it isn’t just ‘Hey, are we gonna give him the full amount, the max number?’ There are trade kickers that could be in the deal, player option years in a deal, payment schedule – there are a number of other things that go beyond the super-max Jaylen Brown is eligible for. These sides will continue to talk and they have a lot of runway this summer to get to a deal.

 

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[RandomFan]

42 minutes ago, JayBirdHawk said:

$70 Million Dollars.....good lawt!!!

Jaylen Brown expected to sign biggest contract in NBA history worth up to $304 million, $70 million on final year alone

 

Adrian Wojnarowski on Jaylen Brown extension talks: It’s going to take more time. Brown and his agent have been talking with Brad Stevens, with Boston. Brown is leaving the country on Players’ Association business. They’re expected to re-engage again when he gets back. This is a deal that would be the richest contract in NBA history, it could be worth up to $304 million. In the final year of that deal, Brown will be making $70 million. When you’re negotiating contracts, it isn’t just ‘Hey, are we gonna give him the full amount, the max number?’ There are trade kickers that could be in the deal, player option years in a deal, payment schedule – there are a number of other things that go beyond the super-max Jaylen Brown is eligible for. These sides will continue to talk and they have a lot of runway this summer to get to a deal.

 

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NOPE! NOPE! NOPE!

[Hawkish]

2 hours ago, RandomFan said:

 

NOPE! NOPE! NOPE!

Exactly — no, thank you.  

[RedDawg#8]

What’s sad is, they will sign him to that contract and then he will force his way to us as soon as he is eligible. 

And because Boston wont actually want to pay that kind of money, they will be more willing to move him at that point lol

So yeah. We will likely be dealing with that $70mil at one day lol

Edited July 15, 2023 by RedDawg#8

[capstone21]

70 million is insane and it handcuffs the Celtics

[RedDawg#8]

5 minutes ago, capstone21 said:

70 million is insane and it handcuffs the Celtics

They will want to move him before the latter years kick in. And guess who will be at the top of his preferred destinations list? 

Home sweet home lol

[JeffS17]

11 minutes ago, capstone21 said:

70 million is insane and it handcuffs the Celtics

It’s not, actually.  The first year salary is more burdensome with regard to cap space.  The cap will go up 10% per year which will out scale his 8% increases per year.  Looks crazy now because we’re not comparing to other 2029 salaries or the 2029 cap

[marco102]

9 minutes ago, JeffS17 said:

It’s not, actually.  The first year salary is more burdensome with regard to cap space.  The cap will go up 10% per year which will out scale his 8% increases per year.  Looks crazy now because we’re not comparing to other 2029 salaries or the 2029 cap

But you're against KAT's salary, but can rationalize this foolishness? 

 

[JayBirdHawk]

3 hours ago, JayBirdHawk said:

$70 Million Dollars....

Now that everyone has sticker shock, let's look at the NBA reality.

The salary cap over the next 5 years with a projected 10% increase over the next 5 years with the associated 25%, 30% and 35% max deals looks like this:

2024-25: $149.6 = $37.4, $44.88, $52.36

2025-26: $164.5 = $41.1, $49.3, $57.5

2026-27: $181 = $45.2, $54.3, $63.3

2027-28: $200 = $50, $60, $70

2028-29 : $220 = $55, $66, $77

So if Trae exercises his ETO, he can get a new deal starting at either $60 or $70 million in year 1 of a new deal in 2027-28.

 

[gurpilo]

Now that seems that JB pipe dream is gone and KAT and Siakam look really far, I wonder if we could just try to sign some FAs to complete the team.

Kelly Oubre might be a good addition to our F position. He can be signed by the minimum deal unless someone gives him MLE which is unlikely at this point if you ask me. Can play SF and PF and would add shooting to our team.

Dedmon might be a good option as well, capable defender, stretch 5, is a good fit for our team for limited role that can offer you quality minutes vs big centers.

[ABH]

We still need a big move or few small ones..we just need something 

[TheNorthCydeRises]

11 hours ago, JayBirdHawk said:

$70 Million Dollars

 

 . . . who they think they signed?  Chelsea Clinton?

 

[TheNorthCydeRises]

2 minutes ago, TheNorthCydeRises said:

 

 . . . who they think they signed?  Chelsea Clinton?

 

 

Jalen is gonna be like . . . .

 

"I want 40 million in $50s . . . 20 million in $20s . . . and 10 million in $10s"

[Spud2nique]

3 hours ago, gurpilo said:

Kelly Oubre might be a good addition to our F position.

Oh for the love of god no.. please . When dude stares in the mirror, he falls in love wit eeemmmself. Pass! Remember his shoes on draft night? Pass.. 

[JeffS17]

8 hours ago, marco102 said:

But you're against KAT's salary, but can rationalize this foolishness? 

 

Against both… don’t think I’ve ever supported trading for JB AFTER he signs a supermax deal…

[kg01]

3 hours ago, Spud2nique said:

Oh for the love of god no.. please . When dude stares in the mirror, he falls in love wit eeemmmself. Pass! Remember his shoes on draft night? Pass.. 

Kelly whOubre being a good player has always been a myth. 

[Wretch]

20 hours ago, theheroatl said:

I suggest you deep dive into things. AJ had a top tier rookie season on Per 36.

Also, note his 2p%, FT %, AJ's turnover rate for a ROOKIE.

For example, please review these players...

Bogi

Season	Age	Tm	Lg	Pos	G	GS	MP	FG	FGA	FG%	3P	3PA	3P%	2P	2PA	2P%	FT	FTA	FT%	ORB	DRB	TRB	AST	STL	BLK	TOV	PF	PTS
2017-18	25	SAC	NBA	SG	78	53	2175	5.7	12.8	.446	2.1	5.4	.392	3.6	7.3	.485	1.7	2.0	.840	0.5	3.2	3.7	4.3	1.2	0.3	2.1	2.8	15.2

Deandre Hunter

Season	Age	Tm	Lg	Pos	G	GS	MP	FG	FGA	FG%	3P	3PA	3P%	2P	2PA	2P%	FT	FTA	FT%	ORB	DRB	TRB	AST	STL	BLK	TOV	PF	PTS
2019-20	22	ATL	NBA	SF	63	62	2018	5.0	12.2	.410	1.9	5.4	.355	3.1	6.8	.454	2.0	2.6	.764	0.8	4.3	5.1	2.0	0.8	0.3	1.8	3.2	13.9

Klay

Season	Age	Tm	Lg	Pos	G	GS	MP	FG	FGA	FG%	3P	3PA	3P%	2P	2PA	2P%	FT	FTA	FT%	ORB	DRB	TRB	AST	STL	BLK	TOV	PF	PTS
2011-12	21	GSW	NBA	SG	66	29	1608	7.1	16.1	.443	2.5	6.0	.414	4.6	10.1	.460	1.8	2.0	.868	0.5	3.1	3.6	3.0	1.1	0.4	2.3	3.5	18.5

SGA

Season	Age	Tm	Lg	Pos	G	GS	MP	FG	FGA	FG%	3P	3PA	3P%	2P	2PA	2P%	FT	FTA	FT%	ORB	DRB	TRB	AST	STL	BLK	TOV	PF	PTS
2018-19	20	LAC	NBA	PG	82	73	2174	5.6	11.9	.476	0.8	2.3	.367	4.8	9.6	.503	2.6	3.2	.800	0.9	2.9	3.8	4.5	1.6	0.7	2.3	2.9	14.7

Beal

Season	Age	Tm	Lg	Pos	G	GS	MP	FG	FGA	FG%	3P	3PA	3P%	2P	2PA	2P%	FT	FTA	FT%	ORB	DRB	TRB	AST	STL	BLK	TOV	PF	PTS
2012-13	19	WAS	NBA	SG	56	46	1745	5.8	14.2	.410	1.9	4.9	.386	3.9	9.3	.424	2.6	3.3	.786	0.9	3.5	4.4	2.8	1.0	0.6	1.9	2.3	16.1

AJ

Season	Age	Tm	Lg	Pos	G	GS	MP	FG	FGA	FG%	3P	3PA	3P%	2P	2PA	2P%	FT	FTA	FT%	ORB	DRB	TRB	AST	STL	BLK	TOV	PF	PTS
2022-23	19	ATL	NBA	SF	72	12	1401	6.4	13.7	.465	2.6	6.7	.390	3.8	7.0	.536	1.1	1.2	.894	1.0	3.0	3.9	1.9	1.1	0.3	1.1	2.2	16.4

These are very comforting numbers.  I know that people want to boil this down to "will he/won't he", but player development is an inexact science.  You have to look at a players numbers along with how they play and when they score.  I have no idea if AJ is going to be the next great star.  Nobody knows these things.  He looks as promising as a rookie can and as far as 3pt shooting...he's an eye opener.

That said, AJ is not a player that I would just "include" in any deal.  I would trade AJ only in a package for a player with many years ahead of him, that we hope AJ's impact would mirror and preferably after a coach like Quin has had a good look at him.

[theheroatl]

9 minutes ago, Wretch said:

These are very comforting numbers.  I know that people want to boil this down to "will he/won't he", but player development is an inexact science.  You have to look at a players numbers along with how they play and when they score.  I have no idea if AJ is going to be the next great star.  Nobody knows these things.  He looks as promising as a rookie can and as far as 3pt shooting...he's an eye opener.

That said, AJ is not a player that I would just "include" in any deal.  I would trade AJ only in a package for a player with many years ahead of him, that we hope AJ's impact would mirror and preferably after a coach like Quin has had a good look at him.

I think most people don't want to do the leg work to compare his rookie season to others in the past. If they did they would be surprised how well he did considering he got thrown to the fire as a 19 year old.

The following might open a lot of eyes here on the board. I took out ORB and DRB breakdown to make the columns fit.

Jaylen Brown:

Season	Age	Tm	Lg	Pos	G	GS	MP	FG	FGA	FG%	3P	3PA	3P%	2P	2PA	2P%	FT	FTA	FT%	TRB	AST	STL	BLK	TOV	PF	PTS
2016-17	20	BOS	NBA	SF	78	20	1341	5.2	11.4	.454	1.2	3.6	.341	3.9	7.7	.507	2.3	3.3	.685	5.9	1.7	0.9	0.5	1.8	3.8	13.8

AJ:

Season	Age	Tm	Lg	Pos	G	GS	MP	FG	FGA	FG%	3P	3PA	3P%	2P	2PA	2P%	FT	FTA	FT%	TRB	AST	STL	BLK	TOV	PF	PTS
2022-23	19	ATL	NBA	SF	72	12	1401	6.4	13.7	.465	2.6	6.7	.390	3.8	7.0	.536	1.1	1.2	.894	3.9	1.9	1.1	0.3	1.1	2.2	16.4

 

Edited July 15, 2023 by theheroatl