Official Game Thread: Cavaliers at Hawks GAME 4

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15 minutes ago, cavsfan said:

I was at Game 2 in Cleveland.. It looked like the Hawks were in the same defense they did against boston.   leaving 3 point shooters open.  they were so worried about LBJ.  IMO  man up on LBJ  if he scores 40 he scores 40,, take his pass options away.   also hack a Thompson back fired on them.. he hit at least one shot each time they did that..    to me the coaching wasn't very good by Atlanta.   it took him to game three to make any adjustments...  or so it seemed.

 

anyways go Cavs!

Well I'd say that's pretty accurate. 

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27 minutes ago, cavsfan said:

I was at Game 2 in Cleveland.. It looked like the Hawks were in the same defense they did against boston.   leaving 3 point shooters open.  they were so worried about LBJ.  IMO  man up on LBJ  if he scores 40 he scores 40,, take his pass options away.   also hack a Thompson back fired on them.. he hit at least one shot each time they did that..    to me the coaching wasn't very good by Atlanta.   it took him to game three to make any adjustments...  or so it seemed.

 

anyways go Cavs!

I saw adjustments made after every game, but the only one that lessens the problems SOMEWHAT was never come to (it was go big, play straight up defense and live with what happens, and look for early offense). The two changes with game 2 was "let's look to get Korver going early instead of him only taking one shot" (just like last year, BAAAADDDD), and put Bazemore on Love earlier (which requires double teaming).

I still don't really understand how of all of the lesser of evils things the Hawks could've come to it was "let Love shoot threes". Because 3>2.

This team is hard wired to help when the man defending the ball handler gets beat, and it wasn't just James and Irving they were getting beat by, an old Richard Jefferson was (along with Shumpert and Dellavedova). If Richard Jefferson is beating you off of the dribble, it's time to significantly upgrade the wings.

Edited May 10, 2016 by Lurker

[BrazilianHawk]

On 10/05/2016 at 10:20 PM, Hawkmoor said:

Horford is a better OVERALL player than d12. The problem is THE skillset the Hawks need, rebounding and blocking shots, is the skill that d12 still brings. If the Hawks had him, it would FORCE bud to alter systems to take advantage of d12's skillset.  As long as Horford is on the team, the bigs are gonna stay out in 3 point land.

In Houston, Harden can pick and pop or roll all day with Horford.

Oh, I definitely see what Houston would have with Horford on that roster. Alas, I'm no Rockets fan.

As for our bigs shooting 3s... well, it wasn't that what made us get swept, really. We had problems catching defensive boards, not the offensive ones. See, Channing Frye is a big, Love is a big, and the Cavs needed their triples to win games. I'm not opposed to our bigs shooting 3s (Josh isn't in Atlanta anymore). Coaching lost us games twice, at the very least. Millsap, Horford and Humphries can all shoot the 3 ball, it was on Bud not going big against the Cavs.

Rebounding wins games, but it is what it is. Cleveland has superb rebounders, we don't. Howard could help solve this. Who knows. I just don't believe we'll be better as a team with him in Horford's place.

It's up to our coach/GM to solve this mess. It's up to the GM bringing Humphries back so we can go big when we need it. It's up to the GM to draft a big if he feels like it, or to trade for one or to sign someone (hell, it can't be that hard to trade for an Ajinca/Mozgov type). It's up to the coaching staff to develop Tavares.

This Howard to ATL idea just makes me think of those old threads advocating Horford for Asik straight up. 

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1 hour ago, BrazilianHawk said:

Oh, I definitely see what Houston would have with Horford on that roster. Alas, I'm no Rockets fan.

As for our bigs shooting 3s... well, it wasn't that what made us get swept, really. We had problems catching defensive boards, not the offensive ones. See, Channing Frye is a big, Love is a big, and the Cavs needed their triples to win games. I'm not opposed to our bigs shooting 3s (Josh isn't in Atlanta anymore). Coaching lost us games twice, at the very least. Millsap, Horford and Humphries can all shoot the 3 ball, it was on Bud not going big against the Cavs.

Rebounding wins games, but it is what it is. Cleveland has superb rebounders, we don't. Howard could help solve this. Who knows. I just don't believe we'll be better as a team with him in Horford's place.

It's up to our coach/GM to solve this mess. It's up to the GM bringing Humphries back so we can go big when we need it. It's up to the GM to draft a big if he feels like it, or to trade for one or to sign someone (hell, it can't be that hard to trade for an Ajinca/Mozgov type). It's up to the coaching staff to develop Tavares.

This Howard to ATL idea just makes me think of those old threads advocating Horford for Asik straight up. 

What frustrates me about Bud is the fact that he is taking San Antionio's offense, and NEEDLESSLY extending the plays to the perimeter.  Like ive posted a couple of times, Tim Duncan stays around the paint area at all times.  He will set a pick and stay right there.  Horford will run the same play and Bud will have him set the pick and then float out to 3 point line.

 If the Hawks had d12, it would FORCE Bud to run the exact same plays that San Antonio does, which isnt a bad thing.  D12 would set the pick and stay right there, ready to get any rebounds or dumps back into the paint.  Horford doesnt shoot well enough to validate what Bud is doing. If he was a young Dirk, thats one thing, but he is not.

Edited May 11, 2016 by Hawkmoor

[NBASupes]

If we need shot blocking, rebounding and size, just trade for Tyson Chandler. Dwight isn't worth any deal over 12 million right now and he's actually underrated outside of the board.

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8 minutes ago, NBASupes said:

If we need shot blocking, rebounding and size, just trade for Tyson Chandler. Dwight isn't worth any deal over 12 million right now and he's actually underrated outside of the board.

I'd prefer that considering Chandler has been a leader everywhere but PHX and he has a rang.

Still, I'm sticking with my new conspiracy theory of us getting RFA Boban from SA as payment for us giving them the means to get LMA last year.

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2 hours ago, NBASupes said:

If we need shot blocking, rebounding and size, just trade for Tyson Chandler. Dwight isn't worth any deal over 12 million right now and he's actually underrated outside of the board.

Can't  like this enough.

Tyson is unhappy  in Phoenix and I think  has 3 years left on deal at $13 mil/per.  Trade for Tyson using Splitter (1year left) and filler. Phoenix gets out of Tyson's deal.

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52 minutes ago, JayBirdHawk said:

Can't  like this enough.

Tyson is unhappy  in Phoenix and I think  has 3 years left on deal at $13 mil/per.  Trade for Tyson using Splitter (1year left) and filler. Phoenix gets out of Tyson's deal.

Yeah I like this head. Tyson is getting old but I'd rather have him than the stiff that is Splitter. We need a center that can board AND block shots. Horford seems capable of only doing one of those.

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6 hours ago, NBASupes said:

If we need shot blocking, rebounding and size, just trade for Tyson Chandler. Dwight isn't worth any deal over 12 million right now and he's actually underrated outside of the board.

Very nice idea indeed.

[Gray Mule]

Come on, Hawksquawk posters.  Do the math.  In spite of everything else that happened

in our last playoff game of the post season, the final score was Cavs 100 \ Hawks 99.

Check the box score.  I know what happened. I was watching every play and re-play.

Millsap missed 2 free throws.

Sefolosha missed his only 2 free throws.

That adds up to 4 points and Hawks lost by one.  Aren't you proud of me for figuring this out !!!

Note:  This Saturday night the Dream open their WNBA season.

GO ATLANTA DREAM !!