Official 2019 Draft thread

[Spud2nique]

31 minutes ago, AHF said:

I think you and capstone may be right on this.  

If they wanted Cam, the right move would have been to trade with us for us to draft Hunter but then take Cam at 8.  Much better than getting Cam at 4 even if we wouldn't have given them the same deal in this scenario (assuming we paid them a premium to agree not to take Cam at 8).

Yup. Ur right sorry some confusion. 8 is where they should have grabbed Cam, not 4. If they stayed at 4, possibly Culver. But I still think Cam would have helped ease Zion into the NBA with some teammate familiarity and comfort.

[Atlantaholic]

9 minutes ago, AHF said:

I wouldn't read it that way.  In his mind, we could easily have been extremely lucky to see him passed on at the 5, 6, 7, and 9 spots even if we paid the Pelicans in part not to draft him at 8.  Given the price we paid NO, I hope that was part of the deal.  

If it wasn't, I think the Pels made a bad call at 8 in not taking Reddish.  (I think Hayes wasn't the way to go either way.  Should have traded down again if you wanted a big.)

Yea, good point. My assumption is that while there probably wasn't an explicit agreement on New Orleans' end to not draft Reddish Schlenk had a pretty good sense stemming from the trade negotiations that the Pelicans were probably not looking to go that route when he made the move.  

[REHawksFan]

49 minutes ago, Atlantaholic said:

Yea, good point. My assumption is that while there probably wasn't an explicit agreement on New Orleans' end to not draft Reddish Schlenk had a pretty good sense stemming from the trade negotiations that the Pelicans were probably not looking to go that route when he made the move.  

THIS.

It doesn't make a lot of sense to me that NO would have agreed to NOT take Cam at 8 as part of the deal.  Otherwise, why not just trade 10 instead.  It wasn't like Wash was going to take Cam.  

I think Travis knew NO wasn't looking in Cam's direction and he knew Wash was unlikely to take Cam as well so he gambled that no one 5-7 would take him.  

[kg01]

Just some general insights from Fraschila on why Bol dropped:

- Foot injury was a red flag

- Based on intel: questioned his work ethic and love for the game.

- Went to 4 high schools in 4 years, questions on attitude (I think that's what he was hinting at)

- Some folks don't know what he is at the NBA-level, position-wise, body-type wise.

Nothing new but interesting to hear someone spell it out.

[AHF]

2 hours ago, REHawksFan said:

THIS.

It doesn't make a lot of sense to me that NO would have agreed to NOT take Cam at 8 as part of the deal.  Otherwise, why not just trade 10 instead.  It wasn't like Wash was going to take Cam.  

I think Travis knew NO wasn't looking in Cam's direction and he knew Wash was unlikely to take Cam as well so he gambled that no one 5-7 would take him.  

I don't follow this logic at all.  You only trade 8 instead of 10 if you need to do it to get the deal done.  You trade it because New Orleans wants 8 because it is a better pick and they won't do the deal for 10.  It has nothing to do with whether we thought NO wouldn't take Cam or not - you simply have to pay New Orleans enough to get the deal done and they wanted pick 8 for sure.  It is in the more marginal pieces of the trade that you can get into whether you are paying to get them to agree not to take someone.  You are giving up 8 either way.

[Thomas]

A lot of times the water under the bridge comment doesn't mean much of anything but for us we end up with Hunter, Cam and Bruno with no ritual sacrifice of our future. Only possibility at all there would be if the Cavs first rounder conveyed which is incredibly unlikely to me. Two second rounders we would possibly sell off anyway down the road. Semantics being tossed around but would rather just enjoy this right now myself. Everything is good right now. Will add that I do believe Bruno is going to make some GMs think "what if" down the road. 

[NBASupes]

From SI:

Charlie Brown:

46. CHARLIE BROWN, G/F, ST. JOSEPH’S | SOPHOMORE

Height: 6’7” | Weight: 200 | Age: 21

Presently draining threes at a blistering clip, Brown has established firm NBA buzz with his efficient play and profiles as a useful wing shooter with size in the vein of Allen Crabbe. He’s got a clean, sweet release, can shoot it off the bounce or catch, and figures to translate that skill neatly at the next level. He moves well defensively, has some length to him, and has a chance to become a valuable role player. Brown is an easy eye-test guy and has started to put everything together, and as teams seek shooting help in the middle of the draft, he may have an opportunity to rise from here.

[JayBirdHawk]

8 hours ago, kg01 said:

Real question: Considering we've dealt contingent on an untrustworthy guy keeping his word (Pelinka), is there any way this trade falls through?

So Pelinka gotta tell LBJ, that Davis isn't joining him in LAL. Good luck to him.

[Spud2nique]

To me, this 2019 draft mirrored 1991. 

UNLV

1. LJ

9. Plastic

12. Greg Ant  

 

Duke

1. Zion

3. RJ

10. Cam

 

eerie stuff..

 

[AHF]

Just now, Spud2nique said:

To me, this 2019 draft mirrored 1991. 

UNLV

1. LJ

9. Plastic

12. Greg Ant  

 

Duke

1. Zion

3. RJ

10. Cam

 

eerie stuff..

 

Boy, I hope not.  

All-Star - LJ

6th Man - Plastic

Role-Player - Greg Ant

[NBASupes]

2 minutes ago, Spud2nique said:

To me, this 2019 draft mirrored 1991. 

UNLV

1. LJ

9. Plastic

12. Greg Ant  

 

Duke

1. Zion

3. RJ

10. Cam

 

eerie stuff..

 

Except the Duke three is miles better than UNLV 3 for the NBA 

The UNLV three was much better for the NCAA and it wasn't close

Edited June 25, 2019 by NBASupes

[Spud2nique]

Just now, AHF said:

Boy, I hope not.  

All-Star - LJ

6th Man - Plastic

Role-Player - Greg Ant

No plastic was our starting 2 with Mookie in that stellar series vs the Heat in 94. But he didn’t live up to his college D hype. Still one of my fav Hawks of all time. He brought a certain energy to the building.

[Spud2nique]

2 minutes ago, NBASupes said:

Except the Duke three is miles better than UNLV 3 for the NBA 

Hope so. Zion watches his weight, Cam get psyche strong and RJ learns how to shoot... it’d be all good.

[NBASupes]

1 minute ago, Spud2nique said:

Hope so. Zion watches his weight, Cam get psyche strong and RJ learns how to shoot... it’d be all good.

Zion can get fat and still be a better pro than LJ. He is a lot more skilled, athletic, defensive abilities are elite. Its like comparing Michael Jordan to Jerry Stackhouse 

[AHF]

Just now, Spud2nique said:

No plastic was our starting 2 with Mookie in that stellar series vs the Heat in 94. But he didn’t live up to his college D hype. Still one of my fav Hawks of all time. He brought a certain energy to the building.

He started for us out of necessity.  The alternatives were like Paul Graham (who should never be starting anywhere) and past-his-prime Craig Ehlo.  His proper role was a 6th man, imo.  I'd compare him to Tony Allen.  Both can start if necessary but if you have a viable alternative you'd sure rather do that and have the defensive specialist as your 6th man.  

I won't argue that he wasn't a starter with us.  But we've had some guys who shouldn't have been starting (Ty Corbin?) and he was one of them.

[Spud2nique]

1 minute ago, NBASupes said:

Zion can get fat and still be a better pro than LJ. He is a lot more skilled, athletic, defensive abilities are elite. Its like comparing Michael Jordan to Jerry Stackhouse 

No. I didn’t compare Zion directly to LJ don’t get my words twisted here. Just the similarities of 3 big names all coming out from one school early on. I knows it happened with Kentucky over the last few years but they don’t count.

Ashley just gave me a death stare..

@AHF I’m kidding don’t ban me.

[Spud2nique]

2 minutes ago, AHF said:

He started for us out of necessity.  The alternatives were like Paul Graham (who should never be starting anywhere) and past-his-prime Craig Ehlo.  His proper role was a 6th man, imo.  I'd compare him to Tony Allen.  Both can start if necessary but if you have a viable alternative you'd sure rather do that and have the defensive specialist as your 6th man.  

I won't argue that he wasn't a starter with us.  But we've had some guys who shouldn't have been starting (Ty Corbin?) and he was one of them.

As a diehard Augmon fan that’s tough to swallow but I understand ur point. You could probably argue the same about my other boy Grant Long. I guess you can argue that about many Hawks over the years. Minus the great Nique...and others.

[AHF]

2 minutes ago, Spud2nique said:

No. I didn’t compare Zion directly to LJ don’t get my words twisted here. Just the similarities of 3 big names all coming out from one school early on. I knows it happened with Kentucky over the last few years but they don’t count.

Ashley just gave me a death stare..

@AHF I’m kidding don’t ban me.

There have been a few:

Towns #1

WCS #6

Booker #13

 

Wall #1

Cousins #5

Patterson #14 / Bledsoe #18

 

Antony #1

MKG #2

Terrence Jones #18

4 minutes ago, Spud2nique said:

As a diehard Augmon fan that’s tough to swallow but I understand ur point. You could probably argue the same about my other boy Grant Long. I guess you can argue that about many Hawks over the years. Minus the great Nique...and others.

That trade for Smith and Long was so good.  But I'd agree that the same applies to Long.

[hawkman]

On 6/25/2019 at 12:50 PM, AHF said:

He started for us out of necessity.  The alternatives were like Paul Graham (who should never be starting anywhere) and past-his-prime Craig Ehlo.  His proper role was a 6th man, imo.  I'd compare him to Tony Allen.  Both can start if necessary but if you have a viable alternative you'd sure rather do that and have the defensive specialist as your 6th man.  

I won't argue that he wasn't a starter with us.  But we've had some guys who shouldn't have been starting (Ty Corbin?) and he was one of them.

Paul "Snoop" Graham was one of my favorite Hawks as a kid. He's like the street baller that goes to an open tryout and ends up making the team. I loved that guy. 

[Spud2nique]

1 hour ago, hawkman said:

Paul "Snoop" Graham was one of my favorite Hawks as a kid. He's like the street baller that goes to an open tryout and ends up making the team. I loved that guy. 

I don’t know if I loved him too much but it was quite a story to make the league that way. He was our Lloyd Daniels for sure.