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[JTB]

2 minutes ago, thecampster said:

NO!

Dammit! Lol 

2 minutes ago, JayBirdHawk said:

I guess the question is - does this deal make sense for Toronto in taking Oladipo and Turner, where both Dipo and Lowry both become FAs next offseason?

Honestly the reason I felt like raptors may do the deal is because it would free up even more cap for Ujiri to go after Giannis but it doesn’t matter now since @thecampster said that’s not the deal 

[LucastheThird]

1 minute ago, marco102 said:

I'd push back.  Pascal is definetly a better defender than John and he can decently spread the floor with Capela.  He shoots about 36% from three on six attempts per game.  He's much better defender than John and he wouldn't be looked at as the number 1 or 2 option here. He's a perfectly good #3 option.

The only thing he is better at is defense. I just don't see him as clearly better in any other category. That role can be filled by JC just fine and he can be #3 behind Trae and Hayward if we sign him.

[JayBirdHawk]

Just now, GameTime said:

I'm more afraid of us paying Gordon Hayward 30+ million year on a multi year deal, but I want to keep JC.

That's not happening and it should not.

[marco102]

Just now, GameTime said:

I'm more afraid of us paying Gordon Hayward 30+ million year on a multi year deal, but I want to keep JC.

 

These little details are moving a TON of capscase. At  a minimum moving Caris Lavert, Tauren Prince, AND Spencer Dwinddle.

[LucastheThird]

Just now, JayBirdHawk said:

But the fun is in guessing and watching the meltdowns of trades that haven't actually happened 

Right. I stayed out of the meltdowns until now, but I really don't want Spicy P

[marco102]

1 minute ago, JayBirdHawk said:

That's not happening and it should not.

The deal should be 3 years about $85 million per year and declining salaries.  I think that's a solid deal for both teams and it doesn't kill the Hawks cap sheet.

[thecampster]

 

Teams that need to shed salary. 

 

Team                                                                           Practical cap space

1	Philadelphia 76ers	-								$-39,003,765
2	Golden State Warriors	-								$-36,597,266
3	Boston Celtics	-								$-25,986,327
4	Brooklyn Nets	-								$-25,588,935
5	Houston Rockets	-								$-19,680,493
6	Indiana Pacers	-								$-16,127,028
7	Milwaukee Bucks	-								$-14,426,979
8	Orlando Magic	-								$-7,914,210
9	Utah Jazz	-								$-7,437,199
10	Los Angeles Clippers	-								$-6,701,023
11	San Antonio Spurs	-								$-6,065,150
12	Los Angeles Lakers	-								$-5,714,478
13	Memphis Grizzlies	-								$-4,197,964
14	Cleveland Cavaliers	-								$-1,054,828

[marco102]

Just now, thecampster said:

 

Teams that need to shed salary. 

 

Team                                                                           Practical cap space

1	Philadelphia 76ers	-								$-39,003,765
2	Golden State Warriors	-								$-36,597,266
3	Boston Celtics	-								$-25,986,327
4	Brooklyn Nets	-								$-25,588,935
5	Houston Rockets	-								$-19,680,493
6	Indiana Pacers	-								$-16,127,028
7	Milwaukee Bucks	-								$-14,426,979
8	Orlando Magic	-								$-7,914,210
9	Utah Jazz	-								$-7,437,199
10	Los Angeles Clippers	-								$-6,701,023
11	San Antonio Spurs	-								$-6,065,150
12	Los Angeles Lakers	-								$-5,714,478
13	Memphis Grizzlies	-								$-4,197,964
14	Cleveland Cavaliers	-								$-1,054,828

Which means James Harden to the Nets would probably be a three or four team deal and most likely not going to happen.

[LucastheThird]

3 minutes ago, marco102 said:

These little details are moving a TON of capscase. At  a minimum moving Caris Lavert, Tauren Prince, AND Spencer Dwinddle.

And that still doesn't feel like a good value for Harden. Houston is getting fleeced in that hypothetical deal. 

[h4wkfan]

I know it’s already been shot down, so it’s not really trade related, but I feel like a lot of you are overrating JC’s impact to winning basketball and underrating Pascal’s.

[JayBirdHawk]

Here's a really CRAZY one from out of left field:

Dipo and Turner to Jazz (Jazz don't have to pay Rudy the max)

Rudy Gobert to Indy (Indy prefers paying Rudy a max vs Dipo)

Bogdanovic plus salary to Hawks.

 

[JayBirdHawk]

3 minutes ago, LucastheThird said:

And that still doesn't feel like a good value for Harden. Houston is getting fleeced in that hypothetical deal. 

Plus Houston traded their 1sts in the Westbrook deal, so why tank now?

[JayBirdHawk]

1 minute ago, h4wkfan said:

I know it’s already been shot down, so it’s not really trade related, but I feel like a lot of you are overrating JC’s impact to winning basketball and underrating Pascal’s.

Here's how I see it.  Toronto paid Siakam as a #1 option that would take over after Kawhi left, turns out he isn't.  JC is a piece of the puzzle here and I don't think he'll be paid a max contract. At the start of the season, I had Pascal ranked high above JC, now he may still be higher just not as much since JC has added his 3 point shot with improving defense and just turned 23.

[bleachkit]

6 minutes ago, JayBirdHawk said:

Here's a really CRAZY one from out of left field:

Dipo and Turner to Jazz (Jazz don't have to pay Rudy the max)

Rudy Gobert to Indy (Indy prefers paying Rudy a max vs Dipo)

Bogdanovic plus salary to Hawks.

 

I'm fine with taking bad money, just waive them this time, dont let them linger on our bench.

[JayBirdHawk]

6 minutes ago, bleachkit said:

I'm fine with taking bad money, just waive them this time, dont let them linger on our bench.

Bogdanovic isn't bad money, I added plus salary since I haven't thoroughly checked the cap.

[thecampster]

10 minutes ago, JayBirdHawk said:

Here's how I see it.  Toronto paid Siakam as a #1 option that would take over after Kawhi left, turns out he isn't.  JC is a piece of the puzzle here and I don't think he'll be paid a max contract. At the start of the season, I had Pascal ranked high above JC, now he may still be higher just not as much since JC has added his 3 point shot with improving defense and just turned 23.

JC is under contract to the Hawks for this year. Hawks have the right to match any deal next year. Teams offering an RFA tend to either offer less because they worry the team will match or over offer. There will only be a few teams who will be able to over offer for JC next year. We control his fate for 5 years if you look at it right.

[h4wkfan]

10 minutes ago, JayBirdHawk said:

Here's how I see it.  Toronto paid Siakam as a #1 option that would take over after Kawhi left, turns out he isn't.  JC is a piece of the puzzle here and I don't think he'll be paid a max contract. At the start of the season, I had Pascal ranked high above JC, now he may still be higher just not as much since JC has added his 3 point shot with improving defense and just turned 23.

I’m not a fan of contract either. I guess ultimately (especially with Trae) I don’t know if (and am really hoping I’m wrong like more times than not) we could win it all with JC. I’m a huge JC fan, but the raptors don’t win their ring If they switched teams. Even if it was Collins from last year on that team. 
 

I guess we could. Just a lot more has to go right for Trae + JC to win than something like Trae + P would in my opinion. Like I said. I’m more wrong than I am right. Hope JC stays and proves me wrong. 

[JeffS17]

39 minutes ago, marco102 said:

These little details are moving a TON of capscase. At  a minimum moving Caris Lavert, Tauren Prince, AND Spencer Dwinddle.

Nets might be negotiating for an extra ball to be added to the court next season before they run a harden kyrie KD lineup

[bleachkit]

17 minutes ago, JayBirdHawk said:

Bogdanovic isn't bad money, I added plus salary since I haven't thoroughly checked the cap.

I didnt say we has. I thought you meant that's what we were doing to complete the trade.

[mrhonline]

48 minutes ago, thecampster said:

Teams that need to shed salary. 

Practical cap space

Not the same thing.