The Mega Super Rumor Thread (Part 2)

[ABH]

27 minutes ago, terrell said:

We forgot abput Cam real quick.. I expect the same for Kev..

Cam didn't want to be here..I believe Kev velvet did

[RandomFan]

 

[ABH]

Miles bridges??

[GameTime]

The R'ant has spoken......

 

[sturt]

1 hour ago, Final_quest said:

An argument can be won with velocity and volume of words,

No, it really can't. It can only be won with substance.

 

1 hour ago, Final_quest said:

We lost a lot of games not due to injury or Covid.

That's any season, any team.

 

1 hour ago, Final_quest said:

Players called the team out.  The media.  The GM.  The owner.  This board.

Think just one layer deep. Just one.

Why?

The expectations pre-Dec 1 were that this team would be dominant.

And pre-Dec 1 we were essentially playing .500 ball.

Then came December 1. For the next six count-em weeks and 22 count-em games, every friggin night our head coach would put together a starting line-up that was a mish-mash... a gumbo Hawks line-up... starting.

How do you then end up going from .500 ball to 6-16 over those 22 games, and have the balls to say this team wasn't suffering from a depletion of talent and an NBA HQ that should have suspended many, many games but didn't?

That would be taken as "excuse making," of course.

It wouldn't have actually been "excuse making" but it would have been taken that way due to lazy logic.

 

It was reason.

Reason that employs scientific method... human kind's best capacity to analyze reasonably and gain solid conclusions.

Graduate school level... not high school level... reason.

 

1 hour ago, Final_quest said:

 I don’t know anyone who shares your view,

 

I haven't polled anyone. Maybe you're right. I'm aware that you and Random are dismissive. That's two.

But.

Your premise of saying that would seem to be "what is most rational is also popular, and what is popular is also most rational."

Nope. I don't have to tell you, an intelligent human being, that history is saturated with examples of that being a false premise.

 

1 hour ago, Final_quest said:

“real Hawks” are gone so it’s really not worth talking about.  

We agree... except... people keep bringing up things that allude to the Real Hawks as-if they weren't actually performing at a .653 rate, which is what they commonly use to justify their want for big moves.

The line of reason is stout... the numbers are the numbers.

When you conflate Gumbo Hawks' record with Real Hawks record that's not being intellectually honest. It's just not. It's pushing a preferred conclusion when you should know better since you've (supposedly) heard the logic a dozen times. I'm skeptical that you've done anymore than read the words... because if you'd let yourself argue with yourself about it, you would have actually heard it and acknowledge now the validity of it.

 

I'm obviously going to proudly die on this hill.

I'm right about it. Not because it comes from me, but because it comes from stone cold logic.

[TheNorthCydeRises]

13 hours ago, Peoriabird said:

By the way, We literally had no back up 3 the entire season

 

"What?  I played 3 positions last season! 

I  . . . WAS the depth.   There's no one deeper than me!

Look at my accomplishments last season:

• 40.2% FG . . . better than Lou Williams ( 39.1% FG )
• 36.1% 3FG . . . that's league average!!
• 85.4% FT . . . that's above average!!
• 4.3 rebs/36 min . . . that's better than Kevin Huerter ( 4.2 ) and De'Andre Hunter ( 4.0 ) !!!!!!!!
• 9.3 PER . . . that's deceptive!!  Don't believe that 9.3!!

 

I am DEPTH!!"

 

[Peoriabird]

Just now, TheNorthCydeRises said:

 

"What?  I played 3 positions last season! 

I  . . . WAS the depth.   There's no one deeper than me!

Look at my accomplishments last season:

• 40.2% FG . . . better than Lou Williams ( 39.1% FG )
• 36.1% 3FG . . . that's league average!!
• 85.4% FT . . . that's above average!!
• 4.3 rebs/36 min . . . that's better than Kevin Huerter ( 4.2 ) and De'Andre Hunter ( 4.0 ) !!!!!!!!
• 9.3 PER . . . that's deceptive!!  Don't believe that 9.3!!

 

I am DEPTH!!"

 

Do you even have a job now? Lol!

[sturt]

8 minutes ago, GameTime said:

The R'ant has spoken......

 

KD, you are such the diva.

We know who you are.

You proved who you are when you took the shortcut to get a ring (GSW).

You proved who you are when you thought you had another ring sewn up by your Brooklyn episode.

You're proving it even now by attempting to manipulate however you can possibly manipulate to go to PHX or another destination where you can piggyback on other talents to try to get another.

 

Have nothing for you. You're a great talent, sure, and I'm sure you're a nice guy... but you haven't the character to play a team game.

[TheNorthCydeRises]

10 minutes ago, GameTime said:

The R'ant has spoken......

 

 

Isn't that a Rick Ross / Drake song?

[Plainview1981]

2 minutes ago, sturt said:

KD, you are such the diva.

We know who you are.

You proved who you are when you took the shortcut to get a ring (GSW).

You proved who you are when you thought you had another ring sewn up by your Brooklyn episode.

You're proving it even now by attempting to manipulate however you can possibly manipulate to go to PHX or another destination where you can piggyback on other talents to try to get another.

 

Have nothing for you. You're a great talent, sure, and I'm sure you're a nice guy... but you haven't the character to play a team game.

Nice guy? Like when he told that kid that his game sucked? 

I don't think KD is nice at all. Just my opinion.

[TheNorthCydeRises]

 

Thought so

[MarylandHawk]

On 6/30/2022 at 10:47 PM, RandomFan said:

Then next time don't argue with meh 

 

At this point it is Ayton or stand pat for me. 

[Hawkmoor]

19 minutes ago, sturt said:

KD, you are such the diva.

We know who you are.

You proved who you are when you took the shortcut to get a ring (GSW).

You proved who you are when you thought you had another ring sewn up by your Brooklyn episode.

You're proving it even now by attempting to manipulate however you can possibly manipulate to go to PHX or another destination where you can piggyback on other talents to try to get another.

 

Have nothing for you. You're a great talent, sure, and I'm sure you're a nice guy... but you haven't the character to play a team game.

Kevin Durant was the best player on that Golden State team.  He is the best pure shooter I've ever seen.  Somehow Lebron James, who started this mega superstars teaming up on one team madness, is getting passes from the media. He is the one who bolted from that Cleveland team because he couldn't carry them to a championship, and stacked that Miami roster.  When he went back to the Cavaliers, they had gotten stacked thru the lottery so suddenly, they were attractive to Lebron.  He then goes and stacks the Lakers into yet another chip.  The media don't like Durant because he knows how foul the media can be so he doesn't talk to them.  This trickles down into the "fans" not liking him.

 

Edited July 2, 2022 by Hawkmoor

[LucastheThird]

I would love a big 3 of Trae, KD, and Murray. I'm chasing a ring and nearly everyone is available for trade if I'm Schlenk/Landry. 

[TRW]

1 hour ago, theheroatl said:

Not surprised at all. Miami and Phoenix will not work. A 3 team trade is more dicey, but it depends if they want Ayton which where is his market???????

 

Durant going to have to rethink his favorite things list.

 For better or worse, Hawks and Toronto have the next best packages.

Likely Nets Preferred Partners (if and only if Durant changes his tude):

Toronto, Atlanta, Nets keep him (Kobe style)

Maybe - Depends if they let go of a #2 player

Miami, Portland, Phoenix, Dallas, LAL, Memphis, New Orleans, OKC, Cleveland, Washington, Nuggets, Jazz, Portland

No Chance:

LAC, GSW, Sac, Boston, Knicks, Magic, Rockets, SAS, Bucks, Wolves, Sixers, Charlotte, Pistons, Pacers

I have the sneaky suspicion he stays with Nets

Last night I heard Utah was that third team to help facilitate the KD trade to Phoenix. Utah would send Patrick Beverly and some of those picks they received from the Gobert trade to Phoenix for DeAndre Ayton. Then Phoenix would send Mikal Bridges, Cam Johnson, Pat Beverly and at least four or five of those 1st round picks to Brooklyn for KD. Other players would be involved but I don't know the names. Brian Windhorst was talking about something to watch for after Utah surprisingly traded Royce O'Neal to Brooklyn for a 1st round pick.

[enrique]

13 hours ago, sturt said:

I'd never heard of it. And skepticism is just my nature. Would want to study it further to see its strengths/weaknesses.

Thanks for the link.

 

Not sure if you've happened to come across the handful of times I've posted this... so forgive if you've seen it already, and especially forgive if you've already ascended to the logic of it...

 

 

Wow, I can't like this enough! Thanks. I am rarely on the Squawk due to job, family, and other items. I still love the Hawks and all, but miss this community. It is interesting that last season we had the most Winshare games lost to injury of any other team in the NBA. I will see if I can pull that stat for this season (can't remember where that data was available...always book mark and download the data). It would help quantify a bit, it just takes a long, long time to compile in a spreadsheet to actually quantify what the rest of the league dealt with compared to our Hawks. 

Regardless, your thinking is clear and your language concise. You are on point!!! So thanks!!!

[AHF]

2 hours ago, sturt said:

Didn't forget him. Just don't think he's a credible rotation player at this stage of his career. He had his 3-4 years of that, but as North suggested, he's at that place where, pragmatically, you can't really expect him to do anything more than maybe not regress from his previous season.

I’m taking bets from anyone who thinks Nate will play JJ, Coop, or Griffin more minutes than Justin Holiday (even with his sub-8 PER with the Kings last season).  He strikes me as someone that Nate will keep playing regardless of results.

[theheroatl]

34 minutes ago, TRW said:

Last night I heard Utah was that third team to help facilitate the KD trade to Phoenix. Utah would send Patrick Beverly and some of those picks they received from the Gobert trade to Phoenix for DeAndre Ayton. Then Phoenix would send Mikal Bridges, Cam Johnson, Pat Beverly and at least four or five of those 1st round picks to Brooklyn for KD. Other players would be involved but I don't know the names. Brian Windhorst was talking about something to watch for after Utah surprisingly traded Royce O'Neal to Brooklyn for a 1st round pick.

Windhorst and the hoop collective are manifesting that… Is Danny Ainge the guy that sends money to Ayton?

What’s being ignored is that Brooklyn doesn’t get win now players that Sean Marks is obsessed with.

 

They have Steve Nash as a coach.

Indiana is the one that’s quiet they could be a third team. But what is Indiana’s plan?

 

Edited July 2, 2022 by theheroatl

[sturt]

17 minutes ago, enrique said:

Wow, I can't like this enough! Thanks. I am rarely on the Squawk due to job, family, and other items. I still love the Hawks and all, but miss this community. It is interesting that last season we had the most Winshare games lost to injury of any other team in the NBA. I will see if I can pull that stat for this season (can't remember where that data was available...always book mark and download the data). It would help quantify a bit, it just takes a long, long time to compile in a spreadsheet to actually quantify what the rest of the league dealt with compared to our Hawks. 

Regardless, your thinking is clear and your language concise. You are on point!!! So thanks!!!

 

 

Damn.

And I believe that might be the first time that the term "concise" has ever been used in describing something I wrote... hehe.

 

And my hidden cams have detected the following reaction toward you from a couple of friends here...

[sturt]

18 minutes ago, AHF said:

I’m taking bets from anyone who thinks Nate will play JJ, Coop, or Griffin more minutes than Justin Holiday

Um.

JJ???

Isn't it a given that JJ's going to be granted the chance to take Gallo's minutes? Think that's even a McM or Schlenk quote (???).