Official Game Thread: Hawks at Magic

[macdaddy]

36 minutes ago, Spud2nique said:

Tighten his play and make his shots. The passing has been there and possibly even better this year. His fg% is just not good.

I'm not a Nate hater really but just seems like when you have a weapon like Trae has shown to be you do more to get him clear paths to the lane where he is pretty deadly.   This year more than any seems like a lot of standing around for everyone.  

But in the end we can't just keep going with the inconsistency.   When every week you show up at the presser and say 'we didn't bring the energy and focus' then there is only one thing to do and it's not fire the players. 

[macdaddy]

7 minutes ago, macdaddy said:

I'm not a Nate hater really but just seems like when you have a weapon like Trae has shown to be you do more to get him clear paths to the lane where he is pretty deadly.   This year more than any seems like a lot of standing around for everyone.  

But in the end we can't just keep going with the inconsistency.   When every week you show up at the presser and say 'we didn't bring the energy and focus' then there is only one thing to do and it's not fire the players. 

This is what i'm talking about right here.  I hate to post a Ja video but we rarely see anyone clear out for Trae this well.

 

 

[JeffS17]

23 hours ago, Diesel said:

Orlando is not a bad team (by the last few times out).   I think our team probably went into the game thinking this was going to be an easy Dub.. and then got busted in the mouth in the first quarter.     It kinda seemed that way, up until the techs came out.   That's when it looked like we started playing.   We're not the only ones who may have looked pasted Orlando. 

They beat LAC. 

They beat Toronto twice.  Back to back.  That means that in the second game, Toronto knew what to expect and they still loss.   And in that second game, Toronto played Hard...  Hell, in the first game  F. Wagner scored 34 points on 80% shooting. 

It seems that they are not doing themselves any favors in the Wimby sweepstakes but the way Bol Bol is playing... they don't need Wimby.   My hat is off to coach Mosley because he gave Bol Bol a chance to do what he does.  Had we gotten Bol Bol, we damn sure wouldn't have let him shoot threes. 

These Jokers are young and don't know that they ain't supposed to be winning.   I'm guessing that they are going to give Boston a handful. I might have to watch. 

 

• Yes, Orlando is not a bad team...
• I've also heard the Rockets are not a bad team...
• And the Thunder are not a bad team...
• Looks like the Knicks are not a bad team either...
• Tonight we will find out if Charlotte is also not a bad team (again)...

It's becoming more and more clear we are the bad team.  We skated by early in the season playing hobbled teams and winning tight games.  I believe we had a negative net rating at one point but a +4 win differential on our record.  Now that has all caught up.  We are 24th in the NBA in net rating and sinking.  We've lost to 3 of the worst teams in the NBA by record and net rating.  We show no signs right now of improving our standing, despite having one of the softest remaining schedules in the league as of 2 weeks ago.  

I don't really know what the answer is right now because the team has so many issues, including injuries, Trae underperforming, roster construction, coaching, chemistry, historically bad bench... the only thing that has been better than expected this season is Griffin's emergence.

[macdaddy]

8 minutes ago, JeffS17 said:

• Yes, Orlando is not a bad team...
• I've also heard the Rockets are not a bad team...
• And the Thunder are not a bad team...
• Looks like the Knicks are not a bad team either...
• Tonight we will find out if Charlotte is also not a bad team (again)...

It's becoming more and more clear we are the bad team.  We skated by early in the season playing hobbled teams and winning tight games.  I believe we had a negative net rating at one point but a +4 win differential on our record.  Now that has all caught up.  We are 24th in the NBA in net rating and sinking.  We've lost to 3 of the worst teams in the NBA by record and net rating.  We show no signs right now of improving our standing, despite having one of the softest remaining schedules in the league as of 2 weeks ago.  

I don't really know what the answer is right now because the team has so many issues, including injuries, Trae underperforming, roster construction, coaching, chemistry, historically bad bench... the only thing that has been better than expected this season is Griffin's emergence.

I think the issue is the same as it has been.  We have subpar wings.   Trae has covered that up some in the past with his scoring but when he can't it becomes obvious.  We're so used to wings who might have one hot quarter every few games and that's it.  

I have hope for AJ but he's still a rookie with a lot of ups and downs.   Murray should help but as it stands now Murray/AJ/Hunter/Bogi is only good enough if Trae/JC/Capela are all healthy and balling.   And if Murray or Bogi is out, which has been all season, then the wing rotation just flat sucks. 

[Diesel]

20 minutes ago, macdaddy said:

This is what i'm talking about right here.  I hate to post a Ja video but we rarely see anyone clear out for Trae this well.

 

 

I would like to point out that that's a moving screen...

Refs don't like Trae and will call that each and everytime we do it. 

 

[macdaddy]

4 minutes ago, Diesel said:

I would like to point out that that's a moving screen...

Refs don't like Trae and will call that each and everytime we do it. 

 

I disagree.  These types of screens in the lane rarely get called.  

[shakes]

3 minutes ago, Diesel said:

I would like to point out that that's a moving screen...

Refs don't like Trae and will call that each and everytime we do it. 

 

definitely some moving screens, but at least Adams is making an effort to clear out room for his point guard.   None of our bigs do that at all.  Every one of them slips the screen before Trae has even used it.    I don't think our bigs even touch the player they are screening before they say F it and head to the rim for an oop.

[JeffS17]

Just now, macdaddy said:

I disagree.  These types of screens in the lane rarely get called.  

You both are correct lol this wouldn't work for Capela anyways because if Capela was Adams in that play it's an easy lob all day.  Defenses don't play our PnRs so loose like that

[JeffS17]

Also Middleton or Grayson would have collapsed hard on Trae knowing our shooters won't be able to knock down an open 3

[Diesel]

14 minutes ago, JeffS17 said:

• Yes, Orlando is not a bad team...
• I've also heard the Rockets are not a bad team...
• And the Thunder are not a bad team...
• Looks like the Knicks are not a bad team either...
• Tonight we will find out if Charlotte is also not a bad team (again)...

It's becoming more and more clear we are the bad team.  We skated by early in the season playing hobbled teams and winning tight games.  I believe we had a negative net rating at one point but a +4 win differential on our record.  Now that has all caught up.  We are 24th in the NBA in net rating and sinking.  We've lost to 3 of the worst teams in the NBA by record and net rating.  We show no signs right now of improving our standing, despite having one of the softest remaining schedules in the league as of 2 weeks ago.  

I don't really know what the answer is right now because the team has so many issues, including injuries, Trae underperforming, roster construction, coaching, chemistry, historically bad bench... the only thing that has been better than expected this season is Griffin's emergence.

I'll say it this way.  Our lack of size is a problem.   Orlando is one of the biggest teams in the game and their OR shows.

We will struggle without Clint.

 

[Diesel]

13 minutes ago, macdaddy said:

I disagree.  These types of screens in the lane rarely get called.  

Ahmm...  He's clearly moving.  I thought he was a pulling guard.   Hell Ja doesn't get called for travelling either but he's hands are too small and they are always under the ball. 

 

[Diesel]

14 minutes ago, shakes said:

definitely some moving screens, but at least Adams is making an effort to clear out room for his point guard.   None of our bigs do that at all.  Every one of them slips the screen before Trae has even used it.    I don't think our bigs even touch the player they are screening before they say F it and head to the rim for an oop.

Have you seen what happens when our Bigs don't slip the screen?  They get the offensive foul.   Watch.   OO has been called with this more than most.   Clint is seasoned enough to just go with the slip immediately.  JC, doesn't really even set a screen. 

Here's the thing.  The Refs don't like Trae so he doesn't get the benefit that others get.   And neither does his bigs. 

[Spud2nique]

52 minutes ago, macdaddy said:

I'm not a Nate hater

Why not, I have a seat right next to me on the “Nate hate” bus . Let’s talk! 

[Diesel]

37 minutes ago, JeffS17 said:

• Yes, Orlando is not a bad team...
• I've also heard the Rockets are not a bad team...
• And the Thunder are not a bad team...
• Looks like the Knicks are not a bad team either...
• Tonight we will find out if Charlotte is also not a bad team (again)...

It's becoming more and more clear we are the bad team.  We skated by early in the season playing hobbled teams and winning tight games.  I believe we had a negative net rating at one point but a +4 win differential on our record.  Now that has all caught up.  We are 24th in the NBA in net rating and sinking.  We've lost to 3 of the worst teams in the NBA by record and net rating.  We show no signs right now of improving our standing, despite having one of the softest remaining schedules in the league as of 2 weeks ago.  

I don't really know what the answer is right now because the team has so many issues, including injuries, Trae underperforming, roster construction, coaching, chemistry, historically bad bench... the only thing that has been better than expected this season is Griffin's emergence.

When we show up missing key players.. we are a bad team.  But so is everybody else. 

What world do most of you live on where we can be missing our 2nd and 3rd scoring options and we still win all the time?

What world do most of you live on where we can be missing our 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th scoring option, our best two rebounders and defenders and we still win?

 When those things happen.. guess what.. we're a bad team... But so is everybody else. 

Let's take the Celts for instance.

Take away Brown and Smart ... and the Celts are very deep.. they will still have some struggles. 

We are not as deep as the Celts... but you can see us devolve into a bad team quicky lwithout key players. 

 

[shakes]

15 minutes ago, Diesel said:

Have you seen what happens when our Bigs don't slip the screen?  They get the offensive foul.   Watch.   OO has been called with this more than most.   Clint is seasoned enough to just go with the slip immediately.  JC, doesn't really even set a screen. 

Here's the thing.  The Refs don't like Trae so he doesn't get the benefit that others get.   And neither does his bigs. 

I've definitely see OO be guilty of setting moving screens.   The timing between him and Trae is terrible.

[bleachkit]

1 hour ago, benhillboy said:

His size is pretty obvious to us bleach lol.  I was saying the meme listed him at 180.  You must’ve missed that part.

Um, I was concurring with your statement that his listed height is not accurate.

[terrell]

1 hour ago, Diesel said:

I would like to point out that that's a moving screen...

Refs don't like Trae and will call that each and everytime we do it. 

 

Well whos fault is that? he wanted to be the "villian" didnt he? 

Edited December 16, 2022 by terrell

[Diesel]

22 minutes ago, shakes said:

I've definitely see OO be guilty of setting moving screens.   The timing between him and Trae is terrible.

I've said over and over again that OO is terrible in the PNR and it doesn't matter who is the PG.   He was so terrible with DJM that DJM would just waive him off.   OO's instinct is to bring the ball down and jump hop...  That's why he gets stripped a lot.   When OO does go up and catch a Trae lob, he's the most surprised person in the arena.   But it's going to take a lot of work.  I would suggest that OO takes a summer and instead of working on his outside shooting, find a PNR specialist and learn from him.  

[Diesel]

1 minute ago, terrell said:

Well whos fault is that? he wanted to be the "villian" didnt he? 

Wasn't he already the villian?

Didn't NY say F  Trae Young before he actually accepted that he's the villian?  Didn't they drop the F bombs and spit on him well before he Bowed?

Hasn't the refs been targetting Trae way before he made it to a playoff game?

Whose Fault?  I dunno. 

 

[Gray Mule]

3 minutes ago, Diesel said:

Wasn't he already the villian?

Didn't NY say F  Trae Young before he actually accepted that he's the villian?  Didn't they drop the F bombs and spit on him well before he Bowed?

Hasn't the refs been targetting Trae way before he made it to a playoff game?

Whose Fault?  I dunno. 

 

Remember, last season was when they inserted the Trae rule.  This was designed to stop him from getting fouls.  Seems that the entire NBA had decided who the real villan was.

"Watch him close.  Don't let him draw a foul if there is any way to prevent it."  When the entire NBA puts in a new rule, just for you, then the refs are admonished to strictly enforce it, you must be something special!  Our own Ice Trae!