Ennis SchrOer

[lethalweapon3]

More from HoopShype, coloring around the margins of stuff we already sorta know about The Braunschweig Bomber. I dunno if it's just the winning ways of late, but my eye test suggests he's improved with his effort on that end of the floor over the past couple of weeks.

And what happened with his one defensive blip (see Ben Falk's tweet below) in the 2015-16 season? A greater commitment to help-rebounding and steals seems to explain it, although I don't know how his on-ball and P&R defensive values look from that season compared to others.

http://hoopshype.com/2018/01/18/atlanta-hawks-dennis-Schröder-analysis-offense-defense/

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[Dennis'] assist rate (36.4 percent) is the fifth-best among players who have logged at least 32 minutes per game. His assist-to-turnover pace (2.61) is also the third-best among guards with as many minutes played.

As a scorer, he has also proven successful on mid-range shot attempts. He is shooting 98-of-217 (45.2 percent) from this zone, which ranks seventh-best among those with at least 150 attempts.

His accuracy on shots from within eight feet and sixteen feet of the basket (48.8 percent) is the third-best among those with as many opportunities. He leads all player in field goals made (77) from between fifteen and nineteen feet of the basket.

 

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Atlanta has allowed 111.3 points per 100 possessions when he is on the court, which is the most out of anyone on the squad. His block rate (2.6 percent) is the second-lowest in the league among those who have played as many minutes.

Opposing shooters have had significantly more success when he is guarding them. The difference in field goal percentage on shot attempts less than 10 feet from the basket when he is their defender compared to when he is not is worse than all but all but one player in the league.

Expect the guard to spend a tremendous amount of his effort and attention working on fixing his defensive efficiency moving forward.

 

~lw3

[TheFuzz]

This to me says that with a better supporting cast he'll be a hell of a guard. He needs to improve on D, but less energy spent on offense should help.

[High5]

That's an impressive group of shooters to be in the middle of. 

[AHF]

Man.  Those D numbers are consistent and brutal even in years we had a good defense.  Ouch.

[benhillboy]

He looked good in 2015 because he could conserve energy for pressing full court and was the 7th man on a #2 rated defensive team.  Now there is much less pressure of getting his minutes cut for not defending because he’s such an offensive stud.  Bud will still pull him late as we’ve seen twice this year.

I died a little inside when we failed to get Butler last season because he’s the perfect compliment to all of Dennis’ shortcomings (off ball play, on ball defense).  Baze’s good play lately has been a revelation as he also excels in those areas but he certainly ain’t no Jimmy. A standout BU defender like Dejounte Murray or Marcus Smart is needed to back him up.  Then I’d be on board with Dennis as a franchise piece all day. His current role is simply far too big to be even a decent defender.

I promise, last time I’m gonna mention it.  But we all saw Steph shout out Jack at his first MVP acceptance.  He damn sure didn’t learn anything about shooting from him.  He wouldn’t be the ball deflector, screen setter, and off ball runner he is without Jack in his ear about toughness.  Dennis missed a great opportunity for tutelage.

Edited January 20, 2018 by benhillboy

[ISOJOE]

I don't think that's a big deal. He is the only NBA ballhandler on the team since he took over the starting spot and because of the tank there is really no reason for him to actually play solid defense. Why would he do that? Every Hawks fan who followed the Hawks during the 14/15 and 15/16 season knows that he is capable of playing above average defense.

Put him next to a star wing who can also handle the ball and he would play some very solid defense in the regular season and excellent defense in the POs. pretty simple

Edited January 20, 2018 by ISOJOE

[ISOJOE]

yeah, Butler is that type of star wing I meant.

[Lurker]

35 minutes ago, ISOJOE said:

Every Hawks fan who followed the Hawks during the 14/15 and 15/16 season knows that he is capable of playing above average defense.

Except he only actually rated well on defense in one season according to I think this article. I'm guessing without looking, that it was 15/16. In 14/15, he was overrated on defense. The only good thing about his defense with 14/15 was he'd try to press lead guards and this led to fouls most of the time.

70% of defense is effort and want to and you can't suddenly click it on and off. 

Edited January 20, 2018 by Lurker

[ISOJOE]

There are no 100% valid stats for defense, especially for perimeter defense. The only "real" defensive stat is opponent fg% at the rim if you evaluate the defense of Centers. 

 

[Blunt91]

23 hours ago, ISOJOE said:

I don't think that's a big deal. He is the only NBA ballhandler on the team since he took over the starting spot and because of the tank there is really no reason for him to actually play solid defense. Why would he do that? Every Hawks fan who followed the Hawks during the 14/15 and 15/16 season knows that he is capable of playing above average defense.

Put him next to a star wing who can also handle the ball and he would play some very solid defense in the regular season and excellent defense in the POs. pretty simple

So basically the Hawks shouldn't draft someone like Luka Doncic to play alongside Dennis cause  his Defense is suspect as well.

[bleachkit]

37 minutes ago, Blunt91 said:

So basically the Hawks shouldn't draft someone like Luka Doncic to play alongside Dennis cause  his Defense is suspect as well.

All offense baby, 8 seconds or less dirty south style.

[benhillboy]

On 1/20/2018 at 1:32 PM, ISOJOE said:

There are no 100% valid stats for defense, especially for perimeter defense. The only "real" defensive stat is opponent fg% at the rim if you evaluate the defense of Centers. 

 

I don’t know about 100% but you can get a damn good idea from all the numbers out there now.  NBA.com hustle stats are major (deflections, distance run, and screen assists my favorites), FG% allowed at various lengths, rebounds, steals, and blocks percentages, DBPM, DWS, defensive rating.  There are some super nerds on Reddit who I’m not sure even watch basketball but have extensive scientific tracking data on drives allowed. Teamrankings.com also does a good job, I’m always up on defensive plays per foul, a seemingly great indicator of defensive savvy based on minutes. Butler is always at the top, Leonard is usually Top 3 if healthy.  

Belinelli at a surprising 11th.  He does get a lot of deflections and poke aways but I didn’t realize he only fouls .7 times a game.    That’s classic Spurs teaching.  I don’t get to see how poor Dennis is (only 2 fouls per) because the list stops at 100 with Iced Teague.

Edited January 21, 2018 by benhillboy

[TheFuzz]

7 hours ago, Blunt91 said:

So basically the Hawks shouldn't draft someone like Luka Doncic to play alongside Dennis cause  his Defense is suspect as well.

Doncic will be a good team defender at least, Korver style. He's got effort and size at the 2 position.

Edit: With potential to be better.

Edited January 21, 2018 by TheFuzz

[NBASupes]

2 hours ago, TheFuzz said:

Doncic will be a good team defender at least, Korver style. He's got effort and size at the 2 position.

Edit: With potential to be better.

That is a potential thing, he's not that good at that part right now. That's what we hope he can develop into defensively. Korver like 

[TheFuzz]

1 hour ago, NBASupes said:

That is a potential thing, he's not that good at that part right now. That's what we hope he can develop into defensively. Korver like 

Sure, but I'm talking tools. Kids 18 and plays hard. I assume he's coachable. He won't be a good defender out of the gate but very few rooks are.

[bleachkit]

Korver was a great Hawk. I consider him most symbolic of the 60 win season.

Edited January 22, 2018 by bleachkit

[Sothron]

Defense is about effort. You don't have to be a shot blocker or a steals guy to play good on ball and off screen defense. I love Dennis but his defense is bad. You can't coach effort. Considering how long he's been under Bud there's just no getting around it: he is who he is. A good to very good offensive player who doesn't play hardly a lick of defense.

[benhillboy]

This man hit a rookie wall lately?  Being grossly outplayed by competing BUs, 3 point shooting free-falling to a team worst.

[JTB]

4 hours ago, benhillboy said:

This man hit a rookie wall lately?  Being grossly outplayed by competing BUs, 3 point shooting free-falling to a team worst.

Hate to say it but he’s playing his way to a sure trade. I was confident as long as he was efficient taking all these shots and still shooting league avg at least from the field (wasn’t worried that about the 3ball) but lately he has dropped badly on a shooting stand point all together and is making his haters around here right about him which they weren’t able to fully back up the first 3 months of the season.

i still believe Schröder is a good mid range shooter and driver despite the stats but let’s face it!...Schlenk is trading his ass for sure if he doesn’t step it back up, even in a tank year.