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[kg01]

1 hour ago, thecampster said:

The assumption is those things are mutually exclusive. I'll submit my vote when you offer something substantive to back up the assumption.

Sorry, brutha.  I'm just good at strawmann'n.  I offer nothing substantive.  

[AHF]

We are heading off the road here into personal shots.  Knock it off and get back on topic.  These are your fellow Squawkers so let's focus on the topic and treat each other with some mutual respect and 99% of issues will take care of themselves.

[AHF]

4 hours ago, thecampster said:

The assumption is those things are mutually exclusive. 

I'm not even sure anyone here is arguing that they are mutually exclusive.  High volume scorers can be a problem when they are not efficient and when they disrupt the offense for the rest of the team.  Trae actually improved his efficiency last season and has obvious gifts for making an offense purr.  This will come into sharper relief as we get more viable options on offense.  Obviously, JC is a great option but Huerter (.536% TS%), Hunter (.521%) and Cam (.500%) have work to do to push themselves above average.  All have shown enough encouraging signs to make me think that is a matter of time and age.  As they improve the "cost" of Trae forcing a tough shot versus feeding a teammate may change the good stats posted by @TheNorthCydeRises above from a situation where the team essentially does better the more Trae does to one where the optimal balance may be a situation where Trae takes fewer shots than last season. 

Right now, though, we have very few players who represent a better offensive return than Trae scoring himself.  I think the idea of his scoring having cost the team any wins to date is just flat out ridiculous.

The issue of how the media perceives him is...probably both less important and less interesting.  Fundamentally, they won't give him respect until the team wins.  I think this is partly about him being a Hawk (if he was playing in Boston, NY, LA, etc. I think it would be a different story) and partly just a reality that many young players can only overcome when they actually win (see Michael Jordan for an example of someone unfairly dismissed as a stat hog).  Add in the fact that many of these same media people predicted him to be a bust and so are inclined to stick with that ("well, he is better than I projected but he isn't a real winner so my prediction was kind of right").

[capstone21]

All this time and I just realized AHF stands for Atlanta Hawks Fan 

[JayBirdHawk]

34 minutes ago, capstone21 said:

All this time and I just realized AHF stands for Atlanta Hawks Fan 

I always find that soooo funny when it's realized by Squawkers 

[thecampster]

5 hours ago, kg01 said:

There's about 2 or 3 people here who act like they're above the rest of us.  It's annoying.

What if it's not acting? Some of us just ooze spiffy!

[NBASupes]

1 hour ago, JayBirdHawk said:

I always find that soooo funny when it's realized by Squawkers 

It took me awhile on RealGM, it was like former moderator. I was like, AHF? AHF! Lol

[AHF]

2 hours ago, capstone21 said:

All this time and I just realized AHF stands for Atlanta Hawks Fan 

[Cwell]

3 hours ago, capstone21 said:

All this time and I just realized AHF stands for Atlanta Hawks Fan 

I was definitely today years old when I found out lol

[terrell]

17 hours ago, bleachkit said:

I know we get defensive about it as Hawks fans, but general managers, coaches, agents seem to be kinda skeptical of Trae, and his 30 and 10 gets the stink eye from them. He's gotta show he can play winning team ball this year. I think he will.

We started out winning last season..2-0 and almost beat Philly in the 3rd game..Then it all went downhill pretty much..lol

[AHF]

I downsized when I basically moved from RealGM to here:

Not really on RealGM anymore.

[Peoriabird]

8 hours ago, kg01 said:

There's about 2 or 3 people here who act like they're above the rest of us.  It's annoying.

So who are the other 1 or2?

[Peoriabird]

6 hours ago, AHF said:

Fundamentally, they won't give him respect until the team wins.  I think this is partly about him being a Hawk (if he was playing in Boston, NY, LA, etc. I think it would be a different story) and partly just a reality that many young players can only overcome when they actually win (see Michael Jordan for an example of someone unfairly dismissed as a stat hog).  Add in the fact that many of these same media people predicted him to be a bust and so are inclined to stick with that ("well, he is better than I projected but he isn't a real winner so my prediction was kind of right").

Plus they don't take into account that huge weight around Trae's ankles!

[Sothron]

I have to ask: why don't we hire Kenny Atkinson to be head coach and get rid of Pierce? We all know how great Kenny is at developing players and he kinda got screwed with the Nets. I think he'd be a great addition over Pierce.

[Peoriabird]

2 minutes ago, Sothron said:

I have to ask: why don't we hire Kenny Atkinson to be head coach and get rid of Pierce? We all know how great Kenny is at developing players and he kinda got screwed with the Nets. I think he'd be a great addition over Pierce.

Or anybody else over Pierce!  Thank you!  Except maybe Boylen I guess

[JayBirdHawk]

7 minutes ago, Sothron said:

I have to ask: why don't we hire Kenny Atkinson to be head coach and get rid of Pierce? We all know how great Kenny is at developing players and he kinda got screwed with the Nets. I think he'd be a great addition over Pierce.

You can read all about it here, and it's a good one:

 

 

[JayBirdHawk]

12 minutes ago, Sothron said:

I have to ask: why don't we hire Kenny Atkinson to be head coach and get rid of Pierce? We all know how great Kenny is at developing players and he kinda got screwed with the Nets. I think he'd be a great addition over Pierce.

Or this one...

 

 

[JayBirdHawk]

@NBASupes  it's been 2 days

 

What can you tell us about the rumors (started by an NY guy, could they have interest in Dipo) about Indy interested in trading for Hayward?  I see a lot of Boston fans  thinking they can get a haul for him........delusions Like Rudy Gobert or  Brogdon and Sabonis.

[kg01]

1 hour ago, Sothron said:

I have to ask: why don't we hire Kenny Atkinson to be head coach and get rid of Pierce? We all know how great Kenny is at developing players and he kinda got screwed with the Nets. I think he'd be a great addition over Pierce.

This is such an intelligent positioning of the question.  Much more cerebral than what we usually encounter on this topic.

I have questions about CLP, but I'm not at the point where I think it's beneficial to pull the chute.  Certainly not for a guy like Atkinson who, if we really look into it, hasn't proven much more than CLP has.

I know we remember him fondly from his work here but his head coaching prowess is very much in question.   If it weren't .... I mean there were quite a few openings around the league this cycle and not a sniff his way.

[marco102]

20 minutes ago, kg01 said:

This is such an intelligent positioning of the question.  Much more cerebral than what we usually encounter on this topic.

I have questions about CLP, but I'm not at the point where I think it's beneficial to pull the chute.  Certainly not for a guy like Atkinson who, if we really look into it, hasn't proven much more than CLP has.

I know we remember him fondly from his work here but his head coaching prowess is very much in question.   If it weren't .... I mean there were quite a few openings around the league this cycle and not a sniff his way.

I'm open to Kenny coming back as an assistant.

Edited October 22, 2020 by marco102