2020-21 The Current Ask Supes

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The view from up north...

https://raptorsrapture.com/2021/06/26/toronto-raptors-keep-malachi-flynn-draft-pg/

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What were "they" saying about Flynn this time last draft go-round?... which actually wasn't that long ago, of course ...

 

 

... and his college numbers...

 

[NBASupes]

As usual, Atlanta been active on the phones. Just about everyone has been offered or called about. Hunter, Reddish, Huerter, Okongwu, etc. 

It unlikely any trades involving the core happen. Atlanta has what is seen as an exceptionally high price for each player and teams don't see eye to eye with Atlanta. Atlanta and Golden State have been having deep trade talks for years. Last year, Atlanta wanted to trade JC and 6 for 2 and GS balked. This year, GS asked for Reddish/20 for a pick swap and Atlanta countered Kevin which GS balked. 

It seems like Atlanta is only willing to trade Reddish if they can land a legit star who's younger or restart the rookie cycle with a prospect of similar upside. Atlanta has been one of the teams who's reached out to Cleveland about Evan Mobley. That said, Cleveland rejected the offer. 

Hunter has been offered for Beal as a main piece. This wasn't declined but Washington wants more premium players and Atlanta isn't willing which is good. 

It seems like TS is leaving no stone unturned but he's not going to make a decision he regrets either. 

If we do see one of the core players traded, best believe, we will like what we are getting in return. It won't be some bullshit you see on RealGM where Atlanta loses from the offset. Its gonna be a Jalen Green, Mobley type prospect or Beal type player and for Huerter, an excellent pick with more value then what we paid for. 

 

That said, I am expecting a fairly uneventful 1st round for the Hawks based on what he's hearing. 

That said, I would be shocked if we pick at 48. A very good chance the pick is moved and packaged with Dunn and maybe Bruno for a young player. 

A player that Atlanta is targeting is Marvin Bagley III. I asked about Culver, it didn't seem like Atlanta was that interested in Culver. Seems like what they do at 20 and Solo return will likely mean Atlanta isn't interested in another wing. OO injury and lack of big depth has Atlanta looking to add another big and to take some of the leverage JC has in negotiations. 

JC is still Atlanta highest priority and while Atlanta knows they can't keep everyone, they want to keep everyone in their core. 

[AHF]

I guess I'm still not sure if Flynn can shoot.  The college shooting numbers look suspect.  The notion that he averaged much better per game totals from April on is not necessarily evidence of a big development other than noting that he went from 10 mpg to just under 30 mpg.

His per minute scoring production changed for the positive but still wasn't great.  For April and May alone, he averaged a 51.45% TS%.  Not very good but also not terrible like his December - March numbers. 40.1% fg% over April and May is what holds that back. 

[Wretch]

1 hour ago, NBASupes said:

As usual, Atlanta been active on the phones. Just about everyone has been offered or called about. Hunter, Reddish, Huerter, Okongwu, etc. 

It unlikely any trades involving the core happen. Atlanta has what is seen as an exceptionally high price for each player and teams don't see eye to eye with Atlanta. Atlanta and Golden State have been having deep trade talks for years. Last year, Atlanta wanted to trade JC and 6 for 2 and GS balked. This year, GS asked for Reddish/20 for a pick swap and Atlanta countered Kevin which GS balked. 

It seems like Atlanta is only willing to trade Reddish if they can land a legit star who's younger or restart the rookie cycle with a prospect of similar upside. Atlanta has been one of the teams who's reached out to Cleveland about Evan Mobley. That said, Cleveland rejected the offer. 

Hunter has been offered for Beal as a main piece. This wasn't declined but Washington wants more premium players and Atlanta isn't willing which is good. 

It seems like TS is leaving no stone unturned but he's not going to make a decision he regrets either. 

If we do see one of the core players traded, best believe, we will like what we are getting in return. It won't be some bullshit you see on RealGM where Atlanta loses from the offset. Its gonna be a Jalen Green, Mobley type prospect or Beal type player and for Huerter, an excellent pick with more value then what we paid for. 

 

That said, I am expecting a fairly uneventful 1st round for the Hawks based on what he's hearing. 

That said, I would be shocked if we pick at 48. A very good chance the pick is moved and packaged with Dunn and maybe Bruno for a young player. 

A player that Atlanta is targeting is Marvin Bagley III. I asked about Culver, it didn't seem like Atlanta was that interested in Culver. Seems like what they do at 20 and Solo return will likely mean Atlanta isn't interested in another wing. OO injury and lack of big depth has Atlanta looking to add another big and to take some of the leverage JC has in negotiations. 

JC is still Atlanta highest priority and while Atlanta knows they can't keep everyone, they want to keep everyone in their core. 

As usual, thanks for your insight dude. I've been wondering about these Cam rumors and this makes a lot more sense now. I'm a little put off by the Beal piece.  I see a lot of people, intelligent bball fans at that, saying Beal is a good pickup for us.  I used to think so too until I found out how short he is...  His size doesn't deter me outright, but I'd think you'd need a bigger (and defensive minded) backcourt mate for him.

For us, like...I get it.  He is a walking bucket, we need a legit 2nd option, and he slides right in at SG.  But DAMN...he's almost the same height as Trae and by all accounts is ass or ass-like on defense.  It just makes no sense to me.  Trae needs all the help on D that he can get and this seems like a terrible fit.  For all the good we'd gain offensively, seems like we would literally lose it all on the other end of this.

...what am I missing here?

[NBASupes]

9 minutes ago, Wretch said:

As usual, thanks for your insight dude. I've been wondering about these Cam rumors and this makes a lot more sense now. I'm a little put off by the Beal piece.  I see a lot of people, intelligent bball fans at that, saying Beal is a good pickup for us.  I used to think so too until I found out how short he is...  His size doesn't deter me outright, but I'd think you'd need a bigger (and defensive minded) backcourt mate for him.

For us, like...I get it.  He is a walking bucket, we need a legit 2nd option, and he slides right in at SG.  But DAMN...he's almost the same height as Trae and by all accounts is ass or ass-like on defense.  It just makes no sense to me.  Trae needs all the help on D that he can get and this seems like a terrible fit.  For all the good we'd gain offensively, seems like we would literally lose it all on the other end of this.

...what am I missing here?

If it matters, we seem to be much higher on our guys than others are.

[JayBirdHawk]

2 minutes ago, NBASupes said:

If it matters, we seem to be much higher on our guys than others are.

So they're pretty much trying to low ball us. We'll keep our guys then.

[Spud2nique]

8 minutes ago, JayBirdHawk said:

So they're pretty much trying to low ball us. We'll keep our guys then.

This was my plan the whole summer. It’s just such a long summer lol.

[Wretch]

3 minutes ago, NBASupes said:

If it matters, we seem to be much higher on our guys than others are.

This is really good to know and in the context of high upside young player for an established star, Hunter/Beal makes sense.  It's also good for setting the market value for our assets.  Just hurts my soul to see Hunter in these rumors.  Cam too.  If I'm being honest, unless a can't refuse offer came along, I'd ride it out with both of them for better or worse.

 

[NBASupes]

5 minutes ago, Wretch said:

This is really good to know and in the context of high upside young player for an established star, Hunter/Beal makes sense.  It's also good for setting the market value for our assets.  Just hurts my soul to see Hunter in these rumors.  Cam too.  If I'm being honest, unless a can't refuse offer came along, I'd ride it out with both of them for better or worse.

 

That's what the plan seems but you always have to see what's out there if you are truly doing your job

[marco102]

2 hours ago, NBASupes said:

 

JC is still Atlanta highest priority and while Atlanta knows they can't keep everyone, they want to keep everyone in their core. 

I think this portion gets lost in translation with outside fans.  The Bogis, Gallos and Clints may be traded in the next few seasons, but I believe Travis and his management team will try to keep our young core together as long as possible or until a blockbuster trade comes along. 

Edit: I'll also add. A Hunter for Beal deal is a no go for me.  Beal's defense probably will be better in a winning situation, but he doesn't provide the defensive flexibility of a Hunter.  Maybe I'm understating Beal's offensive impact, but once Hunter reaches his prime, I don't believe the difference in their offensive impact will be that great. 

Edited July 28, 2021 by marco102

[frosgrim]

11 minutes ago, marco102 said:

I think this portion gets lost in translation with outside fans.  The Bogis, Gallos and Clints may be traded in the next few seasons, but I believe Travis and his management team will try to keep our young core together as long as possible or until a blockbuster trade comes along. 

Edit: I'll also add. A Hunter for Beal deal is a no go for me.  Beal's defense probably will be better in a winning situation, but he doesn't provide the defensive flexibility of a Hunter.  Maybe I'm understating Beal's offensive impact, but once Hunter reaches his prime, I don't believe the difference in their offensive impact will be that great. 

Have to agree with this.  Young needs a Klay-like guy next to him. Not another small guard.  I still have hopes Cam develops into that guy. 

[AHF]

1 hour ago, NBASupes said:

If it matters, we seem to be much higher on our guys than others are.

A lot of people weren't high on us going into the playoffs until we beat NY, Philly and had Milwaukee in a fight for their lives before Trae got hurt.  Underrating Hawks is just another day at the office.

[h4wkfan]

@NBASupes

any conversations with the Spurs for white? I feel like depending my the cost, he’d be an excellent fit on this team. 

[NBASupes]

6 minutes ago, h4wkfan said:

@NBASupes

any conversations with the Spurs for white? I feel like depending my the cost, he’d be an excellent fit on this team. 

They want a core piece, that was the beginning and the end of the conversation 

[georgia]

@NBASupes

I'm ok with it, but where would Bagley play if we got him and kept JC?

[RandomFan]

8 minutes ago, georgia said:

@NBASupes

I'm ok with it, but where would Bagley play if we got him and kept JC?

PF. During the time of the year OO will miss, half the season at least, we only have 3 bigs in rotation at the moment. JC and even Gallo can play some at center if Bagley was added and we don't add another backup C (likely that we do though). 

[Sothron]

A healthy Hunter is worth two Beals to me. Not joking. We can't have two non defense playing starting guards on this team. We aren't the 80's Nuggets that literally just tried to run everyone to death and score just one more point and give no &*() about defense. Hunter has Pippen level vibes to his game. No way I move him unless we get a true superstar back. I'm talking top 10 player at least.

[gurpilo]

hace 5 horas, NBASupes dijo:

As usual, Atlanta been active on the phones. Just about everyone has been offered or called about. Hunter, Reddish, Huerter, Okongwu, etc. 

It unlikely any trades involving the core happen. Atlanta has what is seen as an exceptionally high price for each player and teams don't see eye to eye with Atlanta. Atlanta and Golden State have been having deep trade talks for years. Last year, Atlanta wanted to trade JC and 6 for 2 and GS balked. This year, GS asked for Reddish/20 for a pick swap and Atlanta countered Kevin which GS balked. 

It seems like Atlanta is only willing to trade Reddish if they can land a legit star who's younger or restart the rookie cycle with a prospect of similar upside. Atlanta has been one of the teams who's reached out to Cleveland about Evan Mobley. That said, Cleveland rejected the offer. 

Hunter has been offered for Beal as a main piece. This wasn't declined but Washington wants more premium players and Atlanta isn't willing which is good. 

It seems like TS is leaving no stone unturned but he's not going to make a decision he regrets either. 

If we do see one of the core players traded, best believe, we will like what we are getting in return. It won't be some bullshit you see on RealGM where Atlanta loses from the offset. Its gonna be a Jalen Green, Mobley type prospect or Beal type player and for Huerter, an excellent pick with more value then what we paid for. 

 

That said, I am expecting a fairly uneventful 1st round for the Hawks based on what he's hearing. 

That said, I would be shocked if we pick at 48. A very good chance the pick is moved and packaged with Dunn and maybe Bruno for a young player. 

A player that Atlanta is targeting is Marvin Bagley III. I asked about Culver, it didn't seem like Atlanta was that interested in Culver. Seems like what they do at 20 and Solo return will likely mean Atlanta isn't interested in another wing. OO injury and lack of big depth has Atlanta looking to add another big and to take some of the leverage JC has in negotiations. 

JC is still Atlanta highest priority and while Atlanta knows they can't keep everyone, they want to keep everyone in their core. 

Thanks for the update. I like Beal but he is a terrible fit. I agree Beal today is better player than Hunter but I am not sure long term, if we are confident on his health I am not trading Hunter, he is perfect for for us and I think he can be a star, that kind of star that allows you winning a ring.

Is so rare to get to Conference finals with such a Young team that It would be foolish to trade any of the Young fellas.

About the draft if we are going big I think we might go with Kai Jones if he is available or Usman Garuba and honestly speaking I would be ok with them, I really like Kai.

About Bagley I think he could be a good conzolation prize if we finnally lose Collins. I don't know what is going on with him and injuries but I still believe in his talent.

[gurpilo]

WoW just checked Bagley's stats, they are terrible, has not improved since first season, injuries are worst than expected and advanced stats are terrible.