8/4 UPDATE: Collins to sign $125 million deal with the Hawks per Woj

[sillent]

17 hours ago, niremetal said:

The impact of a bad salary that "only" eats up ~20% of your salary cap isn't that extreme--the Magic were legit threats to win it all in 2009 and 2010 while paying Rashard Lewis more than a third of the cap when his true value was at best half that. It just makes it essential to find a way to squeeze value out of players on rookie scale contracts (e.g., JJ Redick) and the right role players (e.g., Matt Barnes). I think Schlenk has proven he can do that.

But my hope is that the Hawks find a way to frontload Collins' deal so that the heftiest parts hit this coming season and next, before Trae and 'Dre's deals kick in. By the time his contract is up in 2025, the cap will probably be $120M-125M. If we can "only" pay him, say, $22M in the last year of his contract, that's not gonna sink us even if he goes the way of Chandler Parsons.

Actually I think the perfect deal is just like above that thecampster displayed.

Mainly because John's money will rise as his game rises and he comes into his prime. A young player would more than likely feel demoralized if his money was getting less as he got even better. I think people forget prime age 26-28 is when players really reach the peak of their game because of how fast alot our young players and others in general have been producing.

The biggest reason I'm for the contract though is because the league overall has been pretty good with raising the salary cap every year. That salary (above) should stay in line with the nba salary cap year growth. It might be a bigger bargain than expected after it's all said and done.

Especially when we see the bad 30, 40 and 50mil contracts in 5yrs and counting  

[MarylandHawk]

1 hour ago, sillent said:

Actually I think the perfect deal is just like above that thecampster displayed.

Mainly because John's money will rise as his game rises and he comes into his prime. A young player would more than likely feel demoralized if his money was getting less as he got even better. I think people forget prime age 26-28 is when players really reach the peak of their game because of how fast alot our young players and others in general have been producing.

The biggest reason I'm for the contract though is because the league overall has been pretty good with raising the salary cap every year. That salary (above) should stay in line with the nba salary cap year growth. It might be a bigger bargain than expected after it's all said and done.

Especially when we see the bad 30, 40 and 50mil contracts in 5yrs and counting  

You make a good point. With that in mind, I hope the deal is like Bogi’s where it is flat for 5 years and we still get the benefit of the rising cap. 

[ATLHawks3]

Don't take that meeting John.

 

 

[sturt]

[thecampster]

To @NBASupes point,

If the Hawks gave him more today and peeled a few percent off of his deal every year, it would be friendlier in 2 years when signing Cam/Hunter.  Something like this at $124 million but much friendlier cap wise in season 3,4,5:  This is possible and if I were Travis I might try to sell JC on this as he'd get his money earlier in the deal. Backward scaling to limit the impact years 3/4.  Doing so would also make it easier to trade him down the road as it would be team friendly.

2021-22:

$ 27,000,000

96%

2022-23:

$ 25,650,000

-5%

2023-24:

$ 24,300,000

-5%

2024-25:

$ 22,950,000

-5%

2025-26:

$ 24,300,000

5%

Edited August 2, 2021 by thecampster

[marco102]

1 hour ago, thecampster said:

To @NBASupes point,

If the Hawks gave him more today and peeled a few percent off of his deal every year, it would be friendlier in 2 years when signing Cam/Hunter.  Something like this at $124 million but much friendlier cap wise in season 3,4,5:  This is possible and if I were Travis I might try to sell JC on this as he'd get his money earlier in the deal. Backward scaling to limit the impact years 3/4.  Doing so would also make it easier to trade him down the road as it would be team friendly.

2021-22:

$ 27,000,000

96%

2022-23:

$ 25,650,000

-5%

2023-24:

$ 24,300,000

-5%

2024-25:

$ 22,950,000

-5%

2025-26:

$ 24,300,000

5%

I believe they are allowed to do up to 8% decreases aren't they?  Many should want their contracts structured that way as money now Is worth more than money in the future.

[thecampster]

58 minutes ago, marco102 said:

I believe they are allowed to do up to 8% decreases aren't they?  Many should want their contracts structured that way as money now Is worth more than money in the future.

Yes up to 8%, I was just trying to keep it closer, simpler. Remembering the cap number goes up every year (or in years we aren't shut down from pandemics). So as his salary is decreasing, the cap is rising creating that extra space to sign everyone.

 

[Lurker]

If his contract is 5/120-124, that's expensive but ultimately it's better than him walking for nothing.

[marco102]

7 minutes ago, Lurker said:

If his contract is 5/120-124, that's expensive but ultimately it's better than him walking for nothing.

Just $1.5 million to about $2.5 million per year more than he was offered before the season. 

[marco102]

Uh oh

 

[ATLHawks3]

1 minute ago, marco102 said:

Uh oh

 

Ooooooofff. He's gonna force us to match an offersheet.

[marco102]

1 minute ago, ATLHawks3 said:

Ooooooofff. He's gonna force us to match an offersheet.

Maybe media pressure. The Hawks put put through Woj they would match anything. John puts out they aren't close through Shams.

[ATLHawks3]

3 minutes ago, marco102 said:

Maybe media pressure. The Hawks put put through Woj they would match anything. John puts out they aren't close through Shams.

True. 

[mrhonline]

John, as likable as he is, is not good enough for all this agent/team posturing. Go get your offer and then let the Hawks decide.

[bleachkit]

If I'm the Hawks , 5 yr/120. Final offer. At some point you have to hold your ground.

[RedDawg#8]

We've known all season long that he was going to test the market as an RFA. Schlenk confirmed they would let him go through the process to see what's out there. 
5 minutes before free agency officially begins and guys are ready to throw in the towel on negotiations lol

Patience guys, things are just getting started.

[mrhonline]

@RedDawg#8, there's little left to negotiate at this point. It's "go get offers and come back to us" time. 

[RedDawg#8]

1 minute ago, mrhonline said:

@RedDawg#8, there's little left to negotiate at this point. It's "go get offers and come back to us" time. 

For sure. Either way, this is what we knew was going to happen all along. 

[Wurider05]

Just saw on NBAtv that the Hawks and Collins are not close to a deal. 

[ATLHawks3]

Dallas and Miami's Capspace went poof. That only leaves San Antonio, New York, or OKC that could threaten us.