2020-21 The Current Ask Supes

[JayBirdHawk]

32 minutes ago, NBASupes said:

Latest Hawks Update Only: 

My guy was wrong about Bogi. While Atlanta is listening on calls, Bogi had interest in seeing what's available as he did not like his role. I think campster talked about this. But he's seemed to be one that likes things now and wants to stay. Bogi's offers have been, well underwhelming. 

This is interesting - you can see the difference in how he is being used the last 4 or so games.

[gurpilo]

1 hour ago, NBASupes dijo:

Four names have been mentioned by him that Atlanta had interest within a reasonable price: DeMar DeRozan, Otto Porter Jr, Doug McDermott, and Hawks legend, Paul Millsap. These are four guys Atlanta has shown interest too but their willingness to trade anything more Snell has been slim to none. The reason why Snell has been a key mention is because of the obvious, he doesn't fit into their future plans. The options are very limited for the Hawks and it's unlikely we see any moves. Bogi as I mentioned early wants to stay. He's going to be here for awhile. There is a chance he might be moved in the offseason if teams need a starting SG and they are willing to pay what Atlanta finds suitable. 

The only rumor I've heard is Whiteside for Bruno 2nd rounder that might happen. 

I would love to get Whiteside as a backup C to Capela, that would be a fantastic addition.

[thecampster]

2 hours ago, kg01 said:

I do find it funny that both our eggsperts replied but failed to answer the actual question.

.... or did they chose not to?

Aaron Gordon has been available (shopped once that I know of) at the deadline the last 3 years.

[thecampster]

One last thing on Collins. Collins rookie year his numbers were

2017

Hawks

74

24.1

10.5ppg

57.6

% 34.0%

7.3

rpg 1.3

0.6

1.1

 

That is with Head Down every 3rd play try to get a blow by layup Dennis Schröder at the point.  His FG% has only improved a few points with Trae.

 

Last thing on Dennis....The Lakers are shopping him. They've grown tired of his schtick already.

[thecampster]

Usually around 9 or so on trade deadline days, the phones pick back up and people call with their real offers.  It will probably be quiet tonight with a flurry of rumors by noon.

[JayBirdHawk]

16 minutes ago, thecampster said:

 

Last thing on Dennis....The Lakers are shopping him. They've grown tired of his schtick already.

Is it that, or they don't want to pay him the $20 mil he's looking for in FAcy?

[REHawksFan]

1 hour ago, NBASupes said:

Atlanta doesn't like any of the offers. Atlanta haven't exactly been aggressive with offers either. 

If a team gets desperate tomorrow and ups their offers for cam or Kevin would Hawks budge or are they committed to not trading either no matter what?

[JTB]

50 minutes ago, gurpilo said:

I would love to get Whiteside as a backup C to Capela, that would be a fantastic addition.

I agree he would be a very nice addition to the bench! it would be a nice move to say the least.

[sturt]

Any vet big we would add is almost inherently better than adding none.

But. Having said that.

If you're going to add one, do your darnedest to get one who shoots 70%+ at the line... give McM the benefit of an option at the end of games so that hack-a-Capela is neutralized.

And. Having said that.

I would not be at all surprised if Schlenk is looking at all these bigs being discussed as buyout candidates and thinking he's better to not have to give up anything at all... and persuaded that, worst-case, the guys currently available and on the sidelines that cost nothing are a better option than giving up assets.

[kg01]

48 minutes ago, thecampster said:

Aaron Gordon has been available (shopped once that I know of) at the deadline the last 3 years.

... I still suspect foul play.

[Spud2nique]

2 hours ago, NBASupes said:

The only rumor I've heard is Whiteside for Bruno 2nd rounder that might happen. 

This happens I’ll suck it not cuz I want Whiteside cuz you’ll be right! Kidding Supes breathe 

[NBASupes]

1 hour ago, REHawksFan said:

If a team gets desperate tomorrow and ups their offers for cam or Kevin would Hawks budge or are they committed to not trading either no matter what?

There is no up their offers. Atlanta wants a legit all star. Those teams want more than raw player with a lot of potential or a young solid role player for their all star. 

[JayBirdHawk]

Rondo is out tonight, maybe he's getting traded. 

[REHawksFan]

3 minutes ago, JayBirdHawk said:

Rondo is out tonight, maybe he's getting traded. 

Seems weird to trade him since they signed him to be a mentor and leader in the locker room more so than on the court. 

[bleachkit]

3 hours ago, REHawksFan said:

Seems weird to trade him since they signed him to be a mentor and leader in the locker room more so than on the court. 

If he was getting like 2 million, sure. But at 2 year/15 million, he is expected to contribute.

[thecampster]

13 hours ago, REHawksFan said:

If a team gets desperate tomorrow and ups their offers for cam or Kevin would Hawks budge or are they committed to not trading either no matter what?

Both could be had in trade....but there's a catch.

 

The Hawks are substantially over the cap. Both have a salary of less than 5 million.  There isn't really a player of value to send back to us for that salary range. It isn't so much about "they are untouchable", but that there isn't anyone worth trading for with that low of a salary.

Cam Reddish	$ 4,458,000
John Collins	$ 4,137,302
Kevin Huerter	$ 2,761,920

 

You find me a player on the market near their value at a similar salary we can talk. This is why you've heard me say I don't speak on most rumors because they aren't possible are made up.  There are salary considerations and if you hear of a rumor, you need to check the salary matchup.

 

Take the Collins for Smart rumor out of Boston. Marcus Smart has a $13.5 million salary. In order for the Hawks to trade for Smart, they would have had to add about $5 million in salary to the deal. You knew that rumor was bogus because the salaries didn't line up at all. Same with the BB and Collins for Smart and assets.  The Hawks have a full 17 on the roster. Collins + BB is $22 million in salary. Boston could use the traded player exception to fulfill theirs and we wouldn't need to do anything because our salary would go down. But there are other considerations like roster slots, trade kickers, etc. It was far too much talent going out for Smart and would have filled an extra roster slot for Boston making it pretty damn near impossible for them to make any moves.

 

[Spacejam]

11 hours ago, NBASupes said:

There is no up their offers. Atlanta wants a legit all star. Those teams want more than raw player with a lot of potential or a young solid role player for their all star. 

 

Any news around the NBA? This is turning into one big snooze fest. 

[NBASupes]

13 minutes ago, Spacejam said:

 

Any news around the NBA? This is turning into one big snooze fest. 

A lot of weak offers are out there in general. 

[macdaddy]

Whiteside for Bruno would be real nice for us.  Don't know his contract.

Snell for Sap?  intriguing.  Sap maybe done but might be nice to have another backup for JC

[thecampster]

1 hour ago, Spacejam said:

 

Any news around the NBA? This is turning into one big snooze fest. 

Things will hop starting around noon.