No Extension for John Collins

[marco102]

2 hours ago, RedDawg#8 said:

Agreed, and I imagine moving assets for that 1 missing piece at shooting guard is a lot easier to pull off in isolation than trying to find pillars at the 2 and the 4 at the same time.

Its clear where our weakest link is in the starting unit, no need to create another hole just to save a buck when its looking more and more likely that nobody else from the young core will ever be worth what JC and eventually Dre will end up with.

Most definitely I agree

I think we need to be patient with the shooting guard "problem".  Look what Kevin has done in February.  Also has shown some improvement on defense.

DATE	OPP	RESULT	MIN	FG	FG%	3PT	3P%	FT	FT%	REB	AST	BLK	STL	PF	TO	PTS
Wed 2/10	@DAL	L 118-117	35	9-15	60.0	4-7	57.1	1-2	50.0	8	3	0	1	2	0	23
Sat 2/6	vsTOR	W 132-121	37	6-9	66.7	5-8	62.5	2-2	100.0	3	4	0	0	3	2	19
Thu 2/4	vsUTAH	L 112-91	34	7-14	50.0	2-5	40.0	0-0	0.0	1	1	1	3	2	3	16
Wed 2/3	vsDAL	L 122-116	39	8-15	53.3	4-8	50.0	1-1	100.0	5	10	0	2	3	2	21
Mon 2/1	vsLAL	L 107-99	39	3-8	37.5	3-5	60.0	1-2	50.0	4	3	0	0	1	0	10
FEBRUARY			36.6	6.6-12.2	54.1	3.6-6.6	54.5	1.0-1.4	71.4	4.2	4.2	0.2	1.2	2.2	1.4	17.8

Edited February 12, 2021 by marco102

[macdaddy]

1 hour ago, RedDawg#8 said:

Yes, so true.

I too believe we played the best hand from an organization perspective. JC is willing to gamble on his FA value, but if we are comfortable matching regardless, then it wont matter in the end

Yeah i get that.  This is why i just hope that they are communicating with him because this media reporting is only going to ramp up as we get closer to the deadline and true or not the whole 'hawks are listening to offers' has a way of creating distractions at the very least.  

[JayBirdHawk]

6 minutes ago, macdaddy said:

Yeah i get that.  This is why i just hope that they are communicating with him because this media reporting is only going to ramp up as we get closer to the deadline and true or not the whole 'hawks are listening to offers' has a way of creating distractions at the very least.  

There was similar trade chatter last season about JC around the deadline.  He addressed and understood it.

[JTB]

1 hour ago, RedDawg#8 said:

Yes, so true.

I too believe we played the best hand from an organization perspective. JC is willing to gamble on his FA value, but if we are comfortable matching regardless, then it wont matter in the end

This is what I think is going to happen. Schlenk wants to keep I believe. This version of collins is what the hawks needed all along ! 
collins paired with capela defensively allows us to comfortably pay him based on what we’ve seen. They are a very good defensive tandem. Now as far as bigs we just need a more quality center when capela sits.

at the end of the day collins box stats are down but he way more impactful on the game this season and still getting better. If we can somehow add a Zach Levine SG we’d have a very good team.

im not for trading any young core players but I would make a trade for Zach in a heartbeat. Bogi, rondo, Snell + 1st rd draft pick for Zach + filler 

[NBASupes]

What's the news that JC could be traded soon trending on Twitter. 

[AHF]

2 minutes ago, NBASupes said:

What's the news that JC could be traded soon trending on Twitter. 

I'll believe it when I see it.  (An actual trade.  Chatter I expect as he is a desirable player that is perfect for rumors given his RFA status after this season.)

[macdaddy]

16 minutes ago, NBASupes said:

What's the news that JC could be traded soon trending on Twitter. 

It's mostly clickbait but still sucks that it's out there.   Some headlines say 'JC is on the block'

 

 

[bleachkit]

14 minutes ago, AHF said:

I'll believe it when I see it.  (An actual trade.  Chatter I expect as he is a desirable player that is perfect for rumors given his RFA status after this season.)

I'd be shocked if he's traded quite frankly.

[macdaddy]

Just now, bleachkit said:

I'd be shocked if he's traded quite frankly.

Me too.  If for no other reason than i think they know the fans will be pissed.

[bleachkit]

2 minutes ago, macdaddy said:

Me too.  If for no other reason than i think they know the fans will be pissed.

He's offensive efficiency is damn near tops in the league for his number and variety of shots. Good luck replacing that. 

[AHF]

25 minutes ago, bleachkit said:

He's offensive efficiency is damn near tops in the league for his number and variety of shots. Good luck replacing that. 

And with his noticeably improved defense, there is just no reason not to want to keep him.  He would be very tough to replace indeed.  Keep your young, hard working studs and if you have to overpay a bit to do it then so be it.

[bleachkit]

6 minutes ago, AHF said:

And with his noticeably improved defense, there is just no reason not to want to keep him.  He would be very tough to replace indeed.  Keep your young, hard working studs and if you have to overpay a bit to do it then so be it.

Yea, if we let JC go then Ressler is full out it. The only reason to let him walk or trade him is financial, there's no basketball case to be made.

[NBASupes]

9 minutes ago, AHF said:

And with his noticeably improved defense, there is just no reason not to want to keep him.  He would be very tough to replace indeed.  Keep your young, hard working studs and if you have to overpay a bit to do it then so be it.

Even a 4/100 is pretty good considering his improvement. 

[Peoriabird]

I would be done with this team if they traded Collins!

[aali34]

JC has shown season by season growth. He's near max value as it stands and if you feel that a max is an overpay does that mean the Hawks think he won't continue to improve? 

He's transformed from a rim runner who played half of his minutes at center to a 3&D power-forward that can score in the midrange and attack mismatches consistently. The main things he can improve on left are playmaking, self creation, and ball handling. He's shown that he's willing to work and he's been the vocal leader and representative for the Hawks. He's a quality pro.

If you look at him like a stock, he's shown he's a guy worth taking a risk on.

[terrell]

18 minutes ago, Peoriabird said:

I would be done with this team if they traded Collins!

Would you trade Trae before Collins? Just curious..

[Peoriabird]

1 hour ago, terrell said:

Would you trade Trae before Collins? Just curious..

Wouldn't trade either

[GameTime]

43 minutes ago, Peoriabird said:

Wouldn't trade either

Elite scoring and solid defensively big men that shoot 40%+ from 3 don't grow on trees. 

[Gray Mule]

From history, a long time ago, before most of you existed.

Baseball, this was before free agency, Ralph Kiner, was an all star player for the Pirates.  After the season he went to the head honcho, asking for a raise.

Kiner was asked, "Where did the Pirates end up when the season was over?"  "In last place"  was his reply.  "Well, we could have finished in last place without you.  Request for a raise denied."

Collins wants a big raise.  Can't blame him for that.  Just saying, we could lose games like we're doing now without Collins.

Collins is good, borderline great.  Hawks, with Collins right now, is stinking up the NBA.  Our horse keeps getting out of his stable because we don't know how to close the door.  Can't fire the entire team.  Tell me again, what was the name of that coach that Pop thinks so much of?  I forget her name.

[IheartVolt]

GM has the best way of letting everyone know that we are still youngins and have not seen shit