LucastheThird Posted May 15 Report Share Posted May 15 39 minutes ago, Sothron said: The source cleared me to reveal the name of the superstar. It is Giannis. I am not saying it is going to happen but it is being discussed and it depends on if Giannis wants to come to Atlanta. This is from my source and from @NBASupes source. It also leaves the option to trade for BI and the team would look roughly something like: Trae Bogi/Kobe Ingram/Hunter Giannis OO The longer version of what I've heard can come down to three options for our roster: The above option, the "Push All The Chips In" is what I call it. We will be a good team, no question, but with a scary future with no firsts for a long time. 2nd Option: We trade Murray and AJ to NO for BI and the Lakers 2025 unprotected first We keep Trae. We do NOT trade for Giannis. We use the #1 pick on Sarr. Team would be: Trae Bogi/Kobe Ingram/Hunter Sarr/either Capela or OO 3rd option: We blow it all up. SAS have offered 4, 8 and all our picks back for Trae. We move him. We keep the #1 pick. We move Murray not to the Pelicans but to the Pistons or another team I've been told not to mention that has picks/young guys. Roster would be: (this is my postulating at possible draft results) Reed Sheppard Bogi/Kobe Hunter/#8 pick in this draft Sarr/OO We have all our picks back as well as picks and young guys from moving Murray to either the Pistons or mystery team. Which option do you guys and gal prefer? I think the 3rd option is the best one but the 2nd option is more safe. The first option MIGHT win us a title...but then we'll be in purgatory for years with no draft picks. If someone can make a poll with these three options, please do so, you have my blessing. These are the three big scenarios the Hawks FO is discussing now and in the upcoming time to the draft. I'm all about winning a title. So, I vote for pushing in the chips and trading for Giannis. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Final_quest Posted May 15 Report Share Posted May 15 1 hour ago, Sothron said: The source cleared me to reveal the name of the superstar. It is Giannis. I am not saying it is going to happen but it is being discussed and it depends on if Giannis wants to come to Atlanta. This is from my source and from @NBASupes source. It also leaves the option to trade for BI and the team would look roughly something like: Trae Bogi/Kobe Ingram/Hunter Giannis OO The longer version of what I've heard can come down to three options for our roster: The above option, the "Push All The Chips In" is what I call it. We will be a good team, no question, but with a scary future with no firsts for a long time. 2nd Option: We trade Murray and AJ to NO for BI and the Lakers 2025 unprotected first We keep Trae. We do NOT trade for Giannis. We use the #1 pick on Sarr. Team would be: Trae Bogi/Kobe Ingram/Hunter Sarr/either Capela or OO 3rd option: We blow it all up. SAS have offered 4, 8 and all our picks back for Trae. We move him. We keep the #1 pick. We move Murray not to the Pelicans but to the Pistons or another team I've been told not to mention that has picks/young guys. Roster would be: (this is my postulating at possible draft results) Reed Sheppard Bogi/Kobe Hunter/#8 pick in this draft Sarr/OO We have all our picks back as well as picks and young guys from moving Murray to either the Pistons or mystery team. Which option do you guys and gal prefer? I think the 3rd option is the best one but the 2nd option is more safe. The first option MIGHT win us a title...but then we'll be in purgatory for years with no draft picks. If someone can make a poll with these three options, please do so, you have my blessing. These are the three big scenarios the Hawks FO is discussing now and in the upcoming time to the draft. Amazing to have this intel. I put most of the clues together already, and made my case for Giannis. Especially if we get a pick from New Orleans. Our draft capital is replenished for the most part after the 2027 draft plus we’d still have Trae and Giannis. Any gaps on the roster are covered by ring chasers until then. It would be the first time I can remember where we would consistently be in contender status. Although I get the fear that we risk becoming Phoenix if chemistry is totally off. A valid attempt at a ring is the whole point, let’s take the shot. I like the other two options as well as I’ve kind of bought into Sarr. Just hope Ressler isn’t the devil everyone thinks he is and makes a mess of whichever direction we go. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ryandauwalker Posted May 15 Report Share Posted May 15 3 hours ago, Sothron said: The source cleared me to reveal the name of the superstar. It is Giannis. I am not saying it is going to happen but it is being discussed and it depends on if Giannis wants to come to Atlanta. This is from my source and from @NBASupes source. It also leaves the option to trade for BI and the team would look roughly something like: Trae Bogi/Kobe Ingram/Hunter Giannis OO The longer version of what I've heard can come down to three options for our roster: The above option, the "Push All The Chips In" is what I call it. We will be a good team, no question, but with a scary future with no firsts for a long time. 2nd Option: We trade Murray and AJ to NO for BI and the Lakers 2025 unprotected first We keep Trae. We do NOT trade for Giannis. We use the #1 pick on Sarr. Team would be: Trae Bogi/Kobe Ingram/Hunter Sarr/either Capela or OO 3rd option: We blow it all up. SAS have offered 4, 8 and all our picks back for Trae. We move him. We keep the #1 pick. We move Murray not to the Pelicans but to the Pistons or another team I've been told not to mention that has picks/young guys. Roster would be: (this is my postulating at possible draft results) Reed Sheppard Bogi/Kobe Hunter/#8 pick in this draft Sarr/OO We have all our picks back as well as picks and young guys from moving Murray to either the Pistons or mystery team. Which option do you guys and gal prefer? I think the 3rd option is the best one but the 2nd option is more safe. The first option MIGHT win us a title...but then we'll be in purgatory for years with no draft picks. If someone can make a poll with these three options, please do so, you have my blessing. These are the three big scenarios the Hawks FO is discussing now and in the upcoming time to the draft. Thanks, Sothron. This is great insight. What causes us to choose one scenario over the other? Is the biggest swing factor Trae's desire to be here? Or Tony's desire to play the LT? Or maybe Landry's risk tolerance for a massive swing? All are obviously necessities for scenario 1, but I am curious as to what the biggest internal sticking point right now. Appreciate your intel as always. Makes being a Hawks fan a lot more fun when they continue to underperform on the court. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hawkish Posted May 15 Report Share Posted May 15 4 hours ago, Sothron said: The source cleared me to reveal the name of the superstar. It is Giannis. I am not saying it is going to happen but it is being discussed and it depends on if Giannis wants to come to Atlanta. This is from my source and from @NBASupes source. It also leaves the option to trade for BI and the team would look roughly something like: Trae Bogi/Kobe Ingram/Hunter Giannis OO The longer version of what I've heard can come down to three options for our roster: The above option, the "Push All The Chips In" is what I call it. We will be a good team, no question, but with a scary future with no firsts for a long time. 2nd Option: We trade Murray and AJ to NO for BI and the Lakers 2025 unprotected first We keep Trae. We do NOT trade for Giannis. We use the #1 pick on Sarr. Team would be: Trae Bogi/Kobe Ingram/Hunter Sarr/either Capela or OO 3rd option: We blow it all up. SAS have offered 4, 8 and all our picks back for Trae. We move him. We keep the #1 pick. We move Murray not to the Pelicans but to the Pistons or another team I've been told not to mention that has picks/young guys. Roster would be: (this is my postulating at possible draft results) Reed Sheppard Bogi/Kobe Hunter/#8 pick in this draft Sarr/OO We have all our picks back as well as picks and young guys from moving Murray to either the Pistons or mystery team. Which option do you guys and gal prefer? I think the 3rd option is the best one but the 2nd option is more safe. The first option MIGHT win us a title...but then we'll be in purgatory for years with no draft picks. If someone can make a poll with these three options, please do so, you have my blessing. These are the three big scenarios the Hawks FO is discussing now and in the upcoming time to the draft. Which would Snyder prefer? Do we believe he is a championship coach? Would Snyder stick around for Option 3? Is there an option for Trae to go somewhere other than SA? Did you leave Gueye out of the first option on purpose? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Popular Post JayBirdHawk Posted May 15 Premium Member Popular Post Report Share Posted May 15 1 hour ago, ryandauwalker said: Or Tony's desire to play the LT? It will be this. He's paid lip service in saying he's willing to pay the Luxury Tax for a contender. A Trae/Giannis pairing, in my estimation, would give us the best opportunity to do so. But it cannot be just get Giannis - he has to be willing to invest in the rest of the roster and use all available resources (TPE, MLE, etc) to fill in the rest of the roster. It would be time to put up or shut up. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post KB21 Posted May 15 Popular Post Report Share Posted May 15 5 minutes ago, JayBirdHawk said: It will be this. He's paid lip service in saying he's willing to pay the Luxury Tax for a contender. A Trae/Giannis pairing, in my estimation, would give us the best opportunity to do so. But it cannot be just get Giannis - he has to be willing to invest in the rest of the roster and use all available resources (TPE, MLE, etc) to fill in the rest of the roster. It would be time to put up or shut up. If we do the trade for Giannis, we will absolutely have to use the MLE. The TPEs will likely be unusable because we will not have any picks to give. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NekiEcko Posted May 15 Report Share Posted May 15 4 hours ago, Sothron said: The source cleared me to reveal the name of the superstar. It is Giannis. I am not saying it is going to happen but it is being discussed and it depends on if Giannis wants to come to Atlanta. This is from my source and from @NBASupes source. It also leaves the option to trade for BI and the team would look roughly something like: Trae Bogi/Kobe Ingram/Hunter Giannis OO The longer version of what I've heard can come down to three options for our roster: The above option, the "Push All The Chips In" is what I call it. We will be a good team, no question, but with a scary future with no firsts for a long time. 2nd Option: We trade Murray and AJ to NO for BI and the Lakers 2025 unprotected first We keep Trae. We do NOT trade for Giannis. We use the #1 pick on Sarr. Team would be: Trae Bogi/Kobe Ingram/Hunter Sarr/either Capela or OO 3rd option: We blow it all up. SAS have offered 4, 8 and all our picks back for Trae. We move him. We keep the #1 pick. We move Murray not to the Pelicans but to the Pistons or another team I've been told not to mention that has picks/young guys. Roster would be: (this is my postulating at possible draft results) Reed Sheppard Bogi/Kobe Hunter/#8 pick in this draft Sarr/OO We have all our picks back as well as picks and young guys from moving Murray to either the Pistons or mystery team. Which option do you guys and gal prefer? I think the 3rd option is the best one but the 2nd option is more safe. The first option MIGHT win us a title...but then we'll be in purgatory for years with no draft picks. If someone can make a poll with these three options, please do so, you have my blessing. These are the three big scenarios the Hawks FO is discussing now and in the upcoming time to the draft. Option #1 offers the best chance at the Championship, assuming everyone remains healthy. However, it limits trades and exceptions due to lack of control over draft picks for an extended period and definitely places you in the second apron. This approach has been tried before without success, and there's no assurance Tony will pay the tax. Option #2 is a hybrid of options one and three. As @Sothron mentioned, it's a safer choice, but it's uncertain if Trae would be content with this, knowing he might not accept it, and additional pieces are still needed. Option #3 is the rebuild model. However, for every successful Oklahoma City, there's a struggling Detroit, and for every Houston, there's a Washington. Choosing this path requires patience and a commitment to doing things correctly. I wouldn't want to be in Mr. Fields' position, as he must make a decision that could alter the franchise's direction forever. Personally, I favor Option #1, but it sacrifices the long-term plan for a win-now approach, which often fails. Option #2 seems overly cautious and might upset Trae, leading to his departure as a free agent. Therefore, my choice would be Option #3; while it may be challenging in the short term, it offers draft capital and quality players essential for building the team properly. Additionally, with the Collective Bargaining Agreement and the potential for expansion on the horizon, we will have the opportunity to sculpt this roster and construct a team for both the present and the future. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
REHawksFan Posted May 15 Report Share Posted May 15 4 hours ago, Sothron said: The source cleared me to reveal the name of the superstar. It is Giannis. I am not saying it is going to happen but it is being discussed and it depends on if Giannis wants to come to Atlanta. This is from my source and from @NBASupes source. It also leaves the option to trade for BI and the team would look roughly something like: Trae Bogi/Kobe Ingram/Hunter Giannis OO The longer version of what I've heard can come down to three options for our roster: The above option, the "Push All The Chips In" is what I call it. We will be a good team, no question, but with a scary future with no firsts for a long time. 2nd Option: We trade Murray and AJ to NO for BI and the Lakers 2025 unprotected first We keep Trae. We do NOT trade for Giannis. We use the #1 pick on Sarr. Team would be: Trae Bogi/Kobe Ingram/Hunter Sarr/either Capela or OO 3rd option: We blow it all up. SAS have offered 4, 8 and all our picks back for Trae. We move him. We keep the #1 pick. We move Murray not to the Pelicans but to the Pistons or another team I've been told not to mention that has picks/young guys. Roster would be: (this is my postulating at possible draft results) Reed Sheppard Bogi/Kobe Hunter/#8 pick in this draft Sarr/OO We have all our picks back as well as picks and young guys from moving Murray to either the Pistons or mystery team. Which option do you guys and gal prefer? I think the 3rd option is the best one but the 2nd option is more safe. The first option MIGHT win us a title...but then we'll be in purgatory for years with no draft picks. If someone can make a poll with these three options, please do so, you have my blessing. These are the three big scenarios the Hawks FO is discussing now and in the upcoming time to the draft. Is there any scenario where we can trade for Giannis and keep Sarr? Could we transfer the Lakers unprotected 1st in the Flagg draft to Mil instead of our 1st this year? I would do that. Trade DJ and OO to NOP for Ingram/Daniels/Lakers pick with the pick moving to Bucks as part of Giannis deal. We could have a roster of: Trae / Kobe Bogi / Daniels Ingram / Vit Giannis / Mo Sarr / Bruno Would leave a black hole at center so we'd need to add some vet depth. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Popular Post JayBirdHawk Posted May 15 Premium Member Popular Post Report Share Posted May 15 2 minutes ago, KB21 said: If we do the trade for Giannis, we will absolutely have to use the MLE. The TPEs will likely be unusable because we will not have any picks to give. . There are ways to use it without including picks. You target teams that want to avoid the tax, the second Apron, over the 2nd Apron. And again it doesn't need to be just ONE $23 million player. It can be broken up over several players. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedDawg#8 Posted May 15 Report Share Posted May 15 4 hours ago, Sothron said: The source cleared me to reveal the name of the superstar. It is Giannis. I am not saying it is going to happen but it is being discussed and it depends on if Giannis wants to come to Atlanta. This is from my source and from @NBASupes source. It also leaves the option to trade for BI and the team would look roughly something like: Trae Bogi/Kobe Ingram/Hunter Giannis OO The longer version of what I've heard can come down to three options for our roster: The above option, the "Push All The Chips In" is what I call it. We will be a good team, no question, but with a scary future with no firsts for a long time. 2nd Option: We trade Murray and AJ to NO for BI and the Lakers 2025 unprotected first We keep Trae. We do NOT trade for Giannis. We use the #1 pick on Sarr. Team would be: Trae Bogi/Kobe Ingram/Hunter Sarr/either Capela or OO 3rd option: We blow it all up. SAS have offered 4, 8 and all our picks back for Trae. We move him. We keep the #1 pick. We move Murray not to the Pelicans but to the Pistons or another team I've been told not to mention that has picks/young guys. Roster would be: (this is my postulating at possible draft results) Reed Sheppard Bogi/Kobe Hunter/#8 pick in this draft Sarr/OO We have all our picks back as well as picks and young guys from moving Murray to either the Pistons or mystery team. Which option do you guys and gal prefer? I think the 3rd option is the best one but the 2nd option is more safe. The first option MIGHT win us a title...but then we'll be in purgatory for years with no draft picks. If someone can make a poll with these three options, please do so, you have my blessing. These are the three big scenarios the Hawks FO is discussing now and in the upcoming time to the draft. I understand JJ would be a part of a Giannis trade but is there a reason you left him off the roster in options #2 and #3? Him being on the team is a huge swing of opinion if you ask me and why I am hesitant on trading for Giannis. I like JJ being part of any new core moving forward. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedDawg#8 Posted May 15 Report Share Posted May 15 6 hours ago, marco102 said: Why is everyone thinking some big trade is going to go down and we are going to make wholesale changes to this team? That's most likely not going to happen. Because the insiders are telling us that these changes are being discussed. Their intel is driving the dialogue. Many of us do not wake up wanting to blow up the roster. Myself included. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
REHawksFan Posted May 15 Report Share Posted May 15 Also.....for Option 3, what players come back from SA to match Trae's salary? They have a lot of low salary players. Trading Trae for picks doesn't work so we'd need salary back. If we traded Trae for Keldon Johnson and Zach Collins (plus all the picks), that works. It wouldn't HAVE to be a complete rebuild. You'd still have: DJM / Kobe Bogi / AJ / Vit KJ / Hunter / Bey JJ / Mo OO / Clint / Collins Plus 1, 4, and 8 this year plus all our picks in future years. Draft Sarr, Shepherd and Ron Holland or take Topic instead of Shepherd. I don't know the picks, but this isn't a horrible roster. It wouldn't necessarily mean a complete rebuild. We'd need JJ, Sarr, or one of the draft picks to emerge into a star. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Popular Post AHF Posted May 15 Author Moderators Popular Post Report Share Posted May 15 Options 1 and 2 are way more attractive to me. 3 feels like puking on a window to contend and putting yourself right back in the play-in territory. Don’t think we are so bad that we could count on having top odds for Flagg or anything and don’t think we are good. 5 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShooterSays Posted May 15 Report Share Posted May 15 If Giannis is so available and if SA is really offering all that for Trae, why wouldn’t SA just do the trade for Giannis themselves? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Final_quest Posted May 15 Report Share Posted May 15 3 minutes ago, ShooterSays said: If Giannis is so available and if SA is really offering all that for Trae, why wouldn’t SA just do the trade for Giannis themselves? San Antonio doesn't have Trae Young to feed Giannis lobs all day. Giannis has a say in this, too. Also, Milwaukee might prefer getting Sarr and Jalen over anything San Antonio has to offer. We have an expiring contract in Capela as well. All parties have to want to do the deal. You have to think from Giannis perspective. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theheroatl Posted May 15 Report Share Posted May 15 40 minutes ago, REHawksFan said: Is there any scenario where we can trade for Giannis and keep Sarr? Could we transfer the Lakers unprotected 1st in the Flagg draft to Mil instead of our 1st this year? I would do that. Trade DJ and OO to NOP for Ingram/Daniels/Lakers pick with the pick moving to Bucks as part of Giannis deal. We could have a roster of: Trae / Kobe Bogi / Daniels Ingram / Vit Giannis / Mo Sarr / Bruno Would leave a black hole at center so we'd need to add some vet depth. This is best case scenario 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theheroatl Posted May 15 Report Share Posted May 15 I would love to see the Spurs and Doc Rivers faces if Giannis was traded to Atlanta Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bird_dirt Posted May 15 Report Share Posted May 15 Thanks @Sothron! Man, that’s tough. IDK. I could potentially get behind any of these scenarios, but I could also see all of them blowing up in our faces. My first choice would be any scenario that would allow us to keep Trae, JJ and draft Sarr. I don’t think #1 as listed is enough to win a championship. Maybe room to work around the edges to raise the overall roster to get there, but that’s putting a lot of faith in both the FO to get it done AND in Ressler to spend big on the roster to bring in the necessary players. I don’t have a lot of faith in Ressler allowing the FO to do what needs to be done. Complete reset is a 50/50 crap shoot that we won’t know if it works out for a few years. And it’s putting A LOT of faith in the FO scouting department. Dear Landry & Korver: 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Final_quest Posted May 15 Popular Post Report Share Posted May 15 54 minutes ago, JayBirdHawk said: It will be this. He's paid lip service in saying he's willing to pay the Luxury Tax for a contender. A Trae/Giannis pairing, in my estimation, would give us the best opportunity to do so. But it cannot be just get Giannis - he has to be willing to invest in the rest of the roster and use all available resources (TPE, MLE, etc) to fill in the rest of the roster. It would be time to put up or shut up. We'll easily know by follow up moves. Don't see how he convinces Trae to stay and Giannis to come without this being understood. From a business stand point it actually makes sense to go all in with these guys, that has never been the case before. With Giannis and Trae you would be on national TV all the time, deep playoff runs, tons of jersey sales, and the value of the franchise goes way up. Keeping Kevin Huerter as a guy who's nice to have around, but completely redundant, doesn't have the same gravity as bringing a two time MVP on board. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member JeffS17 Posted May 15 Premium Member Report Share Posted May 15 5 hours ago, Sothron said: The source cleared me to reveal the name of the superstar. It is Giannis. I am not saying it is going to happen but it is being discussed and it depends on if Giannis wants to come to Atlanta. This is from my source and from @NBASupes source. It also leaves the option to trade for BI and the team would look roughly something like: Trae Bogi/Kobe Ingram/Hunter Giannis OO The longer version of what I've heard can come down to three options for our roster: The above option, the "Push All The Chips In" is what I call it. We will be a good team, no question, but with a scary future with no firsts for a long time. 2nd Option: We trade Murray and AJ to NO for BI and the Lakers 2025 unprotected first We keep Trae. We do NOT trade for Giannis. We use the #1 pick on Sarr. Team would be: Trae Bogi/Kobe Ingram/Hunter Sarr/either Capela or OO 3rd option: We blow it all up. SAS have offered 4, 8 and all our picks back for Trae. We move him. We keep the #1 pick. We move Murray not to the Pelicans but to the Pistons or another team I've been told not to mention that has picks/young guys. Roster would be: (this is my postulating at possible draft results) Reed Sheppard Bogi/Kobe Hunter/#8 pick in this draft Sarr/OO We have all our picks back as well as picks and young guys from moving Murray to either the Pistons or mystery team. Which option do you guys and gal prefer? I think the 3rd option is the best one but the 2nd option is more safe. The first option MIGHT win us a title...but then we'll be in purgatory for years with no draft picks. If someone can make a poll with these three options, please do so, you have my blessing. These are the three big scenarios the Hawks FO is discussing now and in the upcoming time to the draft. I would go with an altered third option: it's missing Jalen Johnson in the lineup for starters, but if we trade Trae, I'd rather for it to be for quality rotation players and picks rather than young prospects and picks, so I'm not a fan of a San Antonio trade. Do it with another team like Orlando or New Orleans. And I definitely would not want to dump Murray just because we trade Trae-- the whole allure of doing a soft rebuild would be having DJ's vet leadership in the locker room, establishing the culture for the young players to grow and thrive. If the first option is "Push All The Chips In", the second option should be "Keep Filling Seats and Qualifying For The Play In". Second option sucks in my opinion. Least favorite. First option is exciting and I'll be here for it but I still think my preference is a slightly altered third option. Straight up tanking for Cooper Flagg is just awful, really bad. Loser option, literally and figuratively. It takes immense luck to get the #1 pick, even if you are terrible-- 86% chance you do not get it with one of the worst 4 records. Not to mention the habits you have to try to unwind of losing basketball. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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