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[gurpilo]

hace 2 horas, AHF dijo:

Noel isn't as good as Adams this season by a number of metrics such as WAR and RAPTOR.  I do like Noel but think the weight is a big issue for him in handling big bodies.  Thus, I like him a lot in the role he is playing for OKC where they simply don't match him up against big bodies.  It puts him in a position to succeed and it inflates his per minutes numbers well above where they would be if he was a team's leading center, IMO.  I'd hate to have to pick between Collins and Noel to match up against someone with a lot of weight / strength in that situation.

By those same metrics (WAR/RAPTOR), Adams is also better than Drummond this season.  The big thing I disagree with you on with Drummond is that he can be had for the "same price."

Drummond will end up with a much longer contract.  If he gets what he wants, it will be something more akin to a $120M+ at 4 years or $150M over 5 years.  If he gets something closer to his actual value, he will still likely get $100M+.  Adams is on the hook for a single season after this one.  That is a big deal, IMO.

All of these guys are upgrades on our current situation, however, so I won't be crying if we got Noel or Ibaka, etc. 

VORP, BPM, WS are better for Noel and I think he played well yesterday against Vucevic, he played well and OKC won without Adams

[Spud2nique]

@JayBirdHawk it’s time for mama cat to drag spud away, let me have it. I’m done I got nothin!

[JayBirdHawk]

2 minutes ago, Spud2nique said:

@JayBirdHawk it’s time for mama cat to drag spud away, let me have it. I’m done I got nothin!

[Spud2nique]

14 minutes ago, JayBirdHawk said:

Thank you bird IM OUT!  

[NBASupes]

2 hours ago, thecampster said:

On the "please share" request. My house got caught up in the Paulding tornado 2 Saturdays ago. Picked up my shed and tossed it at my son's car. Been dealing with both a house claim and an auto claim while dealing with real life, more certification requirements and a merger.

So yah...you get what you get.

Damn bro

[AHF]

50 minutes ago, gurpilo said:

VORP, BPM, WS are better for Noel and I think he played well yesterday against Vucevic, he played well and OKC won without Adams

There are definitely metrics where Noel looks better but you are the one who said he was better on all metrics.  Also, we are talking about his problems matching up with bully centers.  Vucevic is offensively talented and does a good job on the boards but is absolutely not the type of center who pushes people around.  Like do you think Al Horford or John Collins would be scared of that matchup from a physical perspective?  No.  They may struggle with his skillset but aren't afraid of matching up to that level of physicality.  Match them up against a Shaq type and they cry themselves to sleep.  My point is that Adams is a solid fit against all center types while Noel is more niche.

Look, I'm a UK fan and a Noel fan.  But I 100% am sure that Noel's stats are significantly boosted by his selective usage and matchups.

[Vol4ever]

I dont care for Noel. He hasnt done much in the league imo

[AHF]

4 minutes ago, Vol4ever said:

I dont care for Noel. He hasnt done much in the league imo

He has put up roughly 13.5 points, 10 rebounds, 2.2 steals and 2.2 blocks per 36 for his career and 3 of the last 4 seasons have been very productive both in absolute terms (i.e., total win shares, etc.) and on a per minute basis.  He is also a year older than Goodwin so still developing.  I think he would be a nice addition.   I'm just skeptical that he won't have repeated mismatches based on his strength similar to Horford (similar in terms of the % of mismatches, not in their overall games).  He is a pretty mobile and athletic big with some defensive chops.  That isn't a bad thing at all.  

[Vol4ever]

31 minutes ago, AHF said:

He has put up roughly 13.5 points, 10 rebounds, 2.2 steals and 2.2 blocks per 36 for his career and 3 of the last 4 seasons have been very productive both in absolute terms (i.e., total win shares, etc.) and on a per minute basis.  He is also a year older than Goodwin so still developing.  I think he would be a nice addition.   I'm just skeptical that he won't have repeated mismatches based on his strength similar to Horford (similar in terms of the % of mismatches, not in their overall games).  He is a pretty mobile and athletic big with some defensive chops.  That isn't a bad thing at all.  

Yea his per 36 may look.ok but there is a reason he dont play more.  

[AHF]

45 minutes ago, Vol4ever said:

Yea his per 36 may look.ok but there is a reason he dont play more.  

That is why I think he is a nice role player piece in your frontcourt.  Not someone to pay $20M and be your only real option as a center.  But we can get a real starting center and then pay him a reasonable salary to come off the bench and be a plus piece in that kind of role.   He and Len play almost the exact same amount per game (Noel 18.8 mpg; Len 18.7 mpg).  They are good supporting pieces but not guys I'd want as my starting C.

[Atlantaholic]

36 minutes ago, AHF said:

That is why I think he is a nice role player piece in your frontcourt.  Not someone to pay $20M and be your only real option as a center.  But we can get a real starting center and then pay him a reasonable salary to come off the bench and be a plus piece in that kind of role.   He and Len play almost the exact same amount per game (Noel 18.8 mpg; Len 18.7 mpg).  They are good supporting pieces but not guys I'd want as my starting C.

And between the two of them I'll take Noel.

[macdaddy]

21 hours ago, thecampster said:

On the "please share" request. My house got caught up in the Paulding tornado 2 Saturdays ago. Picked up my shed and tossed it at my son's car. Been dealing with both a house claim and an auto claim while dealing with real life, more certification requirements and a merger.

So yah...you get what you get.

Damn.  I missed this yesterday.  I'm glad everyone is ok (hoping they are).  Hopefully the insurance treats you right.  Good luck with everything.

[AHF]

Missed campster's post but right there with you mac.  Glad people are safe and hope you get your claim processed reasonably quickly (I'm sure they are overloaded).

[Vol4ever]

16 hours ago, AHF said:

That is why I think he is a nice role player piece in your frontcourt.  Not someone to pay $20M and be your only real option as a center.  But we can get a real starting center and then pay him a reasonable salary to come off the bench and be a plus piece in that kind of role.   He and Len play almost the exact same amount per game (Noel 18.8 mpg; Len 18.7 mpg).  They are good supporting pieces but not guys I'd want as my starting C.

I agree on the role player part.  I thought you were talking full time starter.  

[thecampster]

1 hour ago, macdaddy said:

Damn.  I missed this yesterday.  I'm glad everyone is ok (hoping they are).  Hopefully the insurance treats you right.  Good luck with everything.

American Family Insurance and they have been spot on. No complaints. Proving I'm not the smartest person in the room, I opened the back door mid storm to take a look. When I saw rain coming in from multiple directions and heard the sound, I knew what it was. We're fine. Missing a ton of shingles. But it picked up my tool shed and dropped it right on the son's windshield and hit every side of the car. $7,000 damage.

[thecampster]

Bah, cant get hit to insert ob mobile

Edited January 24, 2020 by thecampster

[macdaddy]

Dang.  I hope it's better to fix than total.  That's always the issue.  

Scary stuff.  

[thecampster]

[thecampster]

That was the impact point. Exploded there and fell down the sides scraping the whole thing up.

[thecampster]

Only a year and a half old so not  enough to total.