Knicks Rd1 - Playoffs Series 2021

[ATLHawks3]

Knicks ain't ready. Regular season is one thing; the playoffs are a totally different beast.

[RedDawg#8]

Welp, since they are clearly the "favorites", I hope that Trae goes off in a close out game to send them home and gives Spike Lee and all of Knicks nation the Reggie Miller for old times sake.

[REHawksFan]

5 minutes ago, ATLHawks3 said:

Knicks ain't ready. Regular season is one thing; the playoffs are a totally different beast.

I've seen several knicks fans and writers in general say that Thibs has them playing playoff basketball all year so there really isn't a bump up in intensity or effort.  I pray that's true because it wouldn't bode well for them if they play the same as they did in the regular season while Atlanta gets healthy AND increases their intensity.   

[ATLHawks3]

1 minute ago, REHawksFan said:

I've seen several knicks fans and writers in general say that Thibs has them playing playoff basketball all year so there really isn't a bump up in intensity or effort.  I pray that's true because it wouldn't bode well for them if they play the same as they did in the regular season while Atlanta gets healthy AND increases their intensity.   

I really hope they have us scouted well, because they haven't really seen our team at full health. We're dangerous.

[NBASupes]

3 minutes ago, ATLHawks3 said:

I really hope they have us scouted well, because they haven't really seen our team at full health. We're dangerous.

The difference between us and them is we both will scout each other well but we will give them shots to take and they will struggle to make them and they will give us shots and we won't. Hawks in 5. Honestly, I think we will sweep them. 

[turnermx]

1 hour ago, REHawksFan said:

Figured the media would jump hard on knicks but gotta admit I wasn't expecting THAT lopsided.  A lotta folks in for a rude awakening I think.  And again I'll just say, I don't think people are actually stopping to think about the Hawks being healthy for the first time all season. We've seen all of our guys individually for stretches throughout the season but really never seen them all together.  This could be a fun ride.  

They are also not thinking about the Hawks team while Coached by McMillan vs Pierce, 2 different teams.  The only way I see Knicks winning this series is if they AVERAGE as a team around 40% from 3FG overall, tall task in playoffs.

[REHawksFan]

5 minutes ago, ATLHawks3 said:

I really hope they have us scouted well, because they haven't really seen our team at full health. We're dangerous.

Projected Hawks starters have played 16 minutes together total across 5 games. There's just no way to scout that.  Now the big question is whether that group is a good as we all think it is and whether they will show it in the playoffs.  I'll admit it's an unknown.  We all just assume they will play as well as they can despite having such little time together.  

[REHawksFan]

3 minutes ago, NBASupes said:

The difference between us and them is we both will scout each other well but we will give them shots to take and they will struggle to make them and they will give us shots and we won't. Hawks in 5. Honestly, I think we will sweep them. 

MY MAN!!!   That's what I'm talking about.  

[turnermx]

Just now, REHawksFan said:

Projected Hawks starters have played 16 minutes together total across 5 games. There's just no way to scout that.  Now the big question is whether that group is a good as we all think it is and whether they will show it in the playoffs.  I'll admit it's an unknown.  We all just assume they will play as well as they can despite having such little time together.  

If Deandre Hunter can revert to the form he showed at the beginning of this season that is more than just an X factor vs the Knicks, joining Bogi whose playing out of his mind, of course Trae, Collins and Capela, then you still got Snell, Heurter, Lou, OO (improving all year and learning lots from CC) - on paper its not even close we win with those guys. No question in my mind, key words, on paper. Correctly said the main question is have had they enough time together to have the right chemistry. Excited to find out. 

[kg01]

25 minutes ago, ATLHawks3 said:

Knicks ain't ready. Regular season is one thing; the playoffs are a totally different beast.

It's funny that, if we'd won 3 vs them, the argument would be that it doesn't matter since the playoffs are a different animal.

But, since they won 3 vs us, the argument is that what happened in the regular season will continue in the playoffs since ... it's the same now, I guess?  Weird.

[turnermx]

1 minute ago, turnermx said:

If Deandre Hunter can revert to the form he showed at the beginning of this season that is more than just an X factor vs the Knicks, joining Bogi whose playing out of his mind, of course Trae, Collins and Capela, then you still got Snell, Heurter, Lou, OO (improving all year and learning lots from CC) - on paper its not even close we win with those guys. No question in my mind, key words, on paper. Correctly said the main question is have had they enough time together to have the right chemistry. Excited to find out. 

I even left out Gallo. This team is scary deep, fully healthy should be able to play very well in 4th Quarter OT due to having all the fresh bodies. rare luxury to have the ability to go more than 8 or 9 deep in playoff rotation. 

[REHawksFan]

Speaking of lineups and their effectiveness.....Check this out:  

Lineup 1:  Trae / Bogie / Snell      / Collins / Capela - 113 minutes - 128.1 OFFRTG - 121.7 DEFRTG - +6.40 NETRTG

Lineup 2:  Trae / Bogie / Huerter / Collins / Capela - 112 minutes - 123.1 OFFRTG - 101.3 DEFRTG - +21.8 NETRTG

 

Is Kevin really that much better than Tony defensively??   

[JayBirdHawk]

9 minutes ago, REHawksFan said:

Speaking of lineups and their effectiveness.....Check this out:  

Lineup 1:  Trae / Bogie / Snell      / Collins / Capela - 113 minutes - 128.1 OFFRTG - 121.7 DEFRTG - +6.40 NETRTG

Lineup 2:  Trae / Bogie / Huerter / Collins / Capela - 112 minutes - 123.1 OFFRTG - 101.3 DEFRTG - +21.8 NETRTG

 

Is Kevin really that much better than Tony defensively??   

Yes, as much grief as we give Huerter.  He is leading the Hawks in steals, he makes timely deflections, his team defense is always on point, he can guard the quicker guys better that Tony, he just lacks the bulk. 

Tony has more success against the bigger wings, I think.

[JeffS17]

14 minutes ago, REHawksFan said:

Speaking of lineups and their effectiveness.....Check this out:  

Lineup 1:  Trae / Bogie / Snell      / Collins / Capela - 113 minutes - 128.1 OFFRTG - 121.7 DEFRTG - +6.40 NETRTG

Lineup 2:  Trae / Bogie / Huerter / Collins / Capela - 112 minutes - 123.1 OFFRTG - 101.3 DEFRTG - +21.8 NETRTG

 

Is Kevin really that much better than Tony defensively??   

I've been praising Heurter for his defense the past 2 months.  He looks so much better out there it's nice to see some stats back that up, even if that's a really small sample of minutes...

[JeffS17]

I expect Randle and Barrett to shoot them out of a couple games where we give them grief on the defensive end.  I also expect us to blow them out one game where we get hot from the arc, and I think Trae will take over one game in the 4th.

 

Hawks in 5 -- I want to be there when we close the series out at State Farm 

[macdaddy]

23 minutes ago, REHawksFan said:

Speaking of lineups and their effectiveness.....Check this out:  

Lineup 1:  Trae / Bogie / Snell      / Collins / Capela - 113 minutes - 128.1 OFFRTG - 121.7 DEFRTG - +6.40 NETRTG

Lineup 2:  Trae / Bogie / Huerter / Collins / Capela - 112 minutes - 123.1 OFFRTG - 101.3 DEFRTG - +21.8 NETRTG

 

Is Kevin really that much better than Tony defensively??   

Still relatively small samples so different opponents is likely part of the story here.

[macdaddy]

26 minutes ago, kg01 said:

It's funny that, if we'd won 3 vs them, the argument would be that it doesn't matter since the playoffs are a different animal.

But, since they won 3 vs us, the argument is that what happened in the regular season will continue in the playoffs since ... it's the same now, I guess?  Weird.

Yeah.  Teams play in the same conference and finished the season with the exact same record.  All signs point to a toss up.   Hawks injury history and record down the stretch points to us having an edge.   Throw in home court and maybe it's back to a toss up.

[thecampster]

2 hours ago, JayBirdHawk said:

We have no hope! 

 

 

That is one big bucket of wrong experts.

[AHF]

37 minutes ago, REHawksFan said:

Speaking of lineups and their effectiveness.....Check this out:  

Lineup 1:  Trae / Bogie / Snell      / Collins / Capela - 113 minutes - 128.1 OFFRTG - 121.7 DEFRTG - +6.40 NETRTG

Lineup 2:  Trae / Bogie / Huerter / Collins / Capela - 112 minutes - 123.1 OFFRTG - 101.3 DEFRTG - +21.8 NETRTG

 

Is Kevin really that much better than Tony defensively??   

@sturt will correctly point out that Snell is always among the worst on his team and the worst in the league in DRTG.  This year, he is worse than Trae and only ahead of Lou.

[AHF]

2 minutes ago, thecampster said:

That is one big bucket of wrong experts.

I think the ESPN projections for us have been low maybe all but two of the last 20 years.  Presidents change; fashions go in and out of style;, pandemics, hurricanes, earthquakes and other national disasters come and people rebuild and survive.  But what you can always count on is that ESPN will underrate the Hawks.