The Definitive Trae Young Write Up--Maybe the best that has been written on him so far

[Wurider05]

https://www.scribd.com/document/486395417/Thoughts-on-Trae-Young-and-How-he-Compares-to-Luka-Doncic

 

This is very detailed and very deep. 

[hazer]

26 minutes ago, Wurider05 said:

https://www.scribd.com/document/486395417/Thoughts-on-Trae-Young-and-How-he-Compares-to-Luka-Doncic

 

This is very detailed and very deep. 

Dammit WURD, I rushed over here to post this. Still, very happy about it. Here comes the recognition.....

[macdaddy]

that's pretty amazing

[RedDawg#8]

Long read but worth it. 100% spot on.

I have no where to start, all facts, every point.

[Guest]

After reading this excellent article,  one can simplify it by saying swap Luka and Trae on their respective teams last year and Trae may have likely surpassed all Luka did.

And Luka may have won fewer games with the Hawks than Trae did.

I'm happy with the trade, especially after Cam's progression makes it a slam dunk.

[hawkman]

Good read. The data confirms what I already knew.  Of course I'm biased, but I honestly didn't see enough of a difference between Trae and "the other guy" last season to make me regret the trade.  The writer of that paper was more gracious than I was about rebounding stats being inflated last season. I wasn't a fan of it when OKC (Westbrook) was doing it and I wasn't a fan of it last season when I saw an entire team clearing out for one guy to get an uncontested rebound. I hate artificially inflated stats and feel like it cheapens the triple double. I'm much more impressed when it's within the natural flow of the game.  I felt like the whole defensive liability narrative was a bit overblown as well. Why does Trae get stuck with that label while guys like Lillard, Harden, and Curry get a pass? Trae's only been bad for two seasons, those guys have been bad their whole careers. 

[JayBirdHawk]

Well, I started reading - then realized it was 42 pages...but I couldn't stop.  This has to be someone's Thesis, well done! It covers what we have all discussed here at some point or another to varying degrees...seeing it in one document confirmed what we have all thought with the cool graphs. 

[bleachkit]

Why didn't the person put a name to it? 

[NBASupes]

I saw this on Reddit. Lukastans negged the shit outta me. 

[bleachkit]

Let's give this guy a Hawksquawk invite. High level material.

[JTB]

I’m not gon lie to y’all I’m not going to read 42 pages...BUT I’m glad to read some of these comments that gives me a good idea what was discussed 

[marco102]

17 minutes ago, NBASupes said:

I saw this on Reddit. Lukastans negged the shit outta me. 

I didn't read the article, but sure read the comments on Reddit.  The Lukastans were out in full force.  You can argue that Luka is a better player. No qualms to me, but to say Luka's lightyears of Trae on the offensive end, is just whack.

[Atlantaholic]

Trae is going to be a mega star if he can stay healthy. Gonna be fun to watch him play with non-bum teammates for once. 

[Bonkers]

Hawks won the trade and Cam pushes the scales in the Hawks' favor

 

Mavs can stay mad

Edited December 2, 2020 by Bonkers

[Atlantaholic]

Also holy moly whoever compiled all this data and wrote up the article. Whoever it is deserves to be on Trae's payroll on some capacity lol.

[JeffS17]

One thing that gets missed is Trae has been playing for a Hawks team that has been structured to lose games and get picks.  Winning was not the goal and the coaching, schemes, and personnel reflected that.  Almost all stats (barring free throws) are team dependent, to different extents.  Assists are obvious but efficiency is affected by your team as well, as is your "individual" defensive stats, etc.  I expect a lot of our guys to look really good this year just from having elevated teammates.

[Peoriabird]

1 flaw in the article is he continue to state that the starting line up included 2 rookies and 2 second year players which isn't true.

[thecampster]

15 hours ago, Wurider05 said:

https://www.scribd.com/document/486395417/Thoughts-on-Trae-Young-and-How-he-Compares-to-Luka-Doncic

 

This is very detailed and very deep. 

Thank you. I enjoyed the read. Long but good.

[thecampster]

7 hours ago, Peoriabird said:

1 flaw in the article is he continue to state that the starting line up included 2 rookies and 2 second year players which isn't true.

Below are the games started for 1st and 2nd years players (+Collins and Jones because he's a scrub).

Including Trae, 218 game starts by 1st and 2nd year players and another 68 by Collins and Jones for 286 out of a possible 335 game starts.

Rk		Age	GS
			▼
1	De'Andre Hunter	22	62
2	Trae Young	21	60
3	Kevin Huerter	21	48
4	John Collins	22	41
5	Cam Reddish	20	34
6	Damian Jones	24	27
8	Bruno Fernando	21	13
14	Brandon Goodwin	24	1

[kg01]

11 hours ago, bleachkit said:

Why didn't the person put a name to it? 

If you check the metadata, you see the author is .... *gasp* L. Doncic?