Official Game Thread: Jazz at Hawks

[terrell]

2 minutes ago, JeffS17 said:

Trae has to be better for this roster to realize its potential 

Just be not Horrible.. Thats a start..

[NBASupes]

Just now, Atlantaholic said:

The JJ + Okonguw pairing does not work. You want to look at the single reason we lost those guys were -22 and -17 in 20 minutes on the floor together. That's insanely brutal. 

It really depends who their opponent is, is what I noticed

[JayBirdHawk]

Just now, REHawksFan said:

Hawks shot 46.8% - same as Utah - on 15 more attempts (7 more makes than Utah) but were -9 on 3s.  Not being able to consistently make 3s is going to kill this team. 

And the free throw disparity by 11 (before the end of game fouling).

[JayBirdHawk]

1 minute ago, Atlantaholic said:

The JJ + Okonguw pairing does not work. You want to look at the single reason we lost those guys were -22 and -17 in 20 minutes on the floor together. That's insanely brutal. 

Nate had switched up and was pairing JJ with CC then OO with JC.

Collins' foul trouble scrapped the rotation.

[terrell]

10 minutes ago, Atlantaholic said:

Bench is around -22 tonight but it's Trae's fault.

Bench doesnt make what Trae makes all put together.. Cant hold them to thesame standards.. Our "superstar" has been ass so far this season.. Thats a fact..

[benhillboy]

13 minutes ago, NBASupes said:

He's been playing like this all year. 

His WS/48 is .203 so he’s obviously been dominant but he been Josh Smith awful from three (.297 on 6 attempts) until tonight lol.

Edited November 10, 2022 by benhillboy

[TheNorthCydeRises]

Just now, LongTimeFan said:

Our next bunch of games are gonna' be damn tough.

 

LMAO . . this fan base has gone from . . . . "is this the best Hawks team ever assembled" . . to . . "these next games are going to be tough".

Ya'll will run yourselves crazy thinking every game in a 82 game season is life and death.

 

We all know where this game was lost.  Nate stuck to his set rotations in the 3rd quarter, instead of staying with the starters to see if they could push the lead out further.  The bench gave it all back + Trae/Dejounte on the court.  Then Utah made shots at the end.

Here's a question.  Why does John Collins only play 28 minutes in this game, when he ends up +21 for the game?  Every starter was ( + ) for the game, except Dejounte ( -7 ).  And he got that -7 playing with the bench.

As bad as Trae's shooting numbers were overall, he shot 7 - 14 FG in the 2nd half and was +9 for the half.

 

Meanwhile, the bench was overmatched tonight, and should've been on a very short leash.

[nathan2331]

The whole team shot 8-28 (28.6%) from 3 compared to 17-39 (43.6%) for the Jazz. AJ only got 10 minutes. McMillan gotta do the math. On a night where the Jazz were red hot and our defense was not consistently getting stops, we should had as much shooting on the court as possible which means getting Griffin more shots with the bench unit. Justin Holiday should never be taking twice as many shots as him. We played pretty poorly and we still should've beat the Jazz if McMillan would've actually tinkered with the bench lineup. Put the ball in JJs hands more often, keep Trae and Murray on the bench, use Collins at C and play 5 out, we need different ideas with our bench becuase they've underperformed most nights.

[REHawksFan]

1 minute ago, JayBirdHawk said:

And the free throw disparity by 11 (before the end of game fouling).

Yeah, but they were -9 on FTs in the first 2 minutes of the game. The rest of the game was fairly even. 

They just don't have guys that can consistently make 3s. And they don't make 2s at a great enough rate to make up for the opponent making 15+ 3s in a game. 

[Atlantaholic]

Just now, terrell said:

Bench doesnt make what Trae makes all put together.. Cant hold them to thesame standards.. Our "superstar" has been ass so far this season.. Thats a fact..

The same standards? It's not the same standard. I'm not asking them to run the offense and create 50-60 points a night, I'm asking them not to come in and give away 10 point leads in 2 mins. 

[JayBirdHawk]

4 minutes ago, TheNorthCydeRises said:

Why does John Collins only play 28 minutes in this game, when he ends up +21 for the game?

John had 2 early quick fouls so he didn't play much in the 1st half.

[TheNorthCydeRises]

8 minutes ago, Marvin24Williams said:

bench won us the last game and now lost us this game. damn.

The coach controls the minutes for the bench.

Gotta have a feel for the game.  It was absolutely no reason to take the starters out when they pushed that lead up to 10.  Leave them in and see if they can push it out to 20.

But God forbid that Nate deviates from his rotations.

[sturt]

30 minutes ago, JayBirdHawk said:

No....we say Nate LOVES him!

Correction.

That's what you and one other have said... and btw, still waiting on that quote that supports that assumption.

(And don't come back to me with the "Well, it's self-evident b/c he's playing the guy." That's specious. To believe that, we would have to believe that coaches in general and Nate in particular do not actually choose who to play based on their own self-interest, ie, preference for decisions they believe will help them win games, but based on their affection for those players they choose to play.)

Others, if you hadn't noticed, have been highly resistant to the idea of trading JDay. That speaks for itself.

You've heard of "election deniers".... I call them "trend deniers"... disbelievers in trends.

 

 

[Atlantaholic]

Just now, TheNorthCydeRises said:

The coach controls the minutes for the bench.

Gotta have a feel for the game.  It was absolutely no reason to take the starters out when they pushed that lead up to 10.  Leave them in and see if they can push it out to 20.

But God forbid that Nate deviates from his rotations.

It was terrible. If you want to rest some guys you could have staggered. But putting in the booty squad with Trae and then Murray cost us the game. Plain to see. 

[terrell]

42 points allowed in the fourth quarter, and a ton of them were layups

smh

[Watchman]

6 minutes ago, Atlantaholic said:

The JJ + Okonguw pairing does not work. You want to look at the single reason we lost those guys were -22 and -17 in 20 minutes on the floor together. That's insanely brutal. 

Yes, Nate needs to drop the fixed rotation thing, or he needs to go.  It just doesn't work.

[TheNorthCydeRises]

7 minutes ago, REHawksFan said:

Hawks shot 46.8% - same as Utah - on 15 more attempts (7 more makes than Utah) but were -9 on 3s.  Not being able to consistently make 3s is going to kill this team. 

And that's why people can't cry about our star player taking 3s.  Even if he goes 2 - 6 on long 3s, that's still a shot that we need in this offense.  It's either make a bunch of 3s, or get to the line a lot.

[JayBirdHawk]

2 minutes ago, TheNorthCydeRises said:

The coach controls the minutes for the bench.

Gotta have a feel for the game.  It was absolutely no reason to take the starters out when they pushed that lead up to 10.  Leave them in and see if they can push it out to 20.

But God forbid that Nate deviates from his rotations.

Nate doesn't adjust on the fly and experiment. He won't even call a quick timeout to get his guys back on track.

1 minute ago, Atlantaholic said:

booty squad

[terrell]

4 minutes ago, Atlantaholic said:

The same standards? It's not the same standard. I'm not asking them to run the offense and create 50-60 points a night, I'm asking them not to come in and give away 10 point leads in 2 mins. 

Blame Nate for putting them out there when he did...

[TheNorthCydeRises]

9 minutes ago, NBASupes said:

It really depends who their opponent is, is what I noticed

Once again, it's up to the coach to recognize what matchups are favorable for his team.  Just because we have a set rotation, don't mean that they can play against everybody.